ReInstall Win XP on Partitioned Hard Drive

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I'm thinking of partitioning my hard drive with Win XP installed on the
Primary partition while th programs will be installed on a newly created
logical drive. If the OS had to be reinstalled, must the programs be
reinstalled too - unless I had a current drive image of the OS which included
all the programs?
 
SeaOtter said:
I'm thinking of partitioning my hard drive with Win XP installed on the
Primary partition while th programs will be installed on a newly created
logical drive. If the OS had to be reinstalled, must the programs be
reinstalled too - unless I had a current drive image of the OS which included
all the programs?


Placing one's data files on a partition or physical hard drive
separate from the operating system and applications is a very good idea.
Doing so can greatly simplify system repairs/recoveries and data back-up.

There's very little point, however, in having a separate partition
for just applications. Should you have to reinstall the OS, you'll also
have to reinstall each and every application and game anyway, in order
to recreate the hundreds (possibly thousands) of registry entries and to
replace the dozens (possibly hundreds) of essential system files back
into the appropriate Windows folders and sub-folders.

Having a current (as in up-to-the-*minute*) image of the OS'
drive/partition image might save you from having to reinstall the
applications, but I've not personally tested the technique, so I can't
say for sure. Anyway, wouldn't such a current image contain the same
problems as the OS that you're having to reinstall?


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SeaOtter said:
I'm thinking of partitioning my hard drive with Win XP
installed on
the Primary partition while th programs will be installed on a
newly
created logical drive.


There's little, if any, point in doing this. How to partition
your drive is a subject that garners many different opinions, but
this is not a good way to do it.

If the OS had to be reinstalled, must the
programs be reinstalled too


Yes. All programs (with an occasional near-trivial
counterexample) have many entries in the registry and elsewhere
in Windows. If you reinstall Windows, all those entries are lost
and the programs will no longer work.


- unless I had a current drive image of
the OS which included all the programs?


If you had and used that, then you wouldn't reinstall Windows,
you would just restore your image.
 
SeaOtter said:
Placing one's data files on a partition or physical hard drive
separate from the operating system and applications is a very good idea.
Doing so can greatly simplify system repairs/recoveries and data back-up.

There's very little point, however, in having a separate partition for
just applications. Should you have to reinstall the OS, you'll also have
to reinstall each and every application and game anyway, in order to
recreate the hundreds (possibly thousands) of registry entries and to
replace the dozens (possibly hundreds) of essential system files back into
the appropriate Windows folders and sub-folders.

Having a current (as in up-to-the-*minute*) image of the OS'
drive/partition image might save you from having to reinstall the
applications, but I've not personally tested the technique, so I can't say
for sure. Anyway, wouldn't such a current image contain the same problems
as the OS that you're having to reinstall?
--

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

Let me address myself first to Bruce's final question. But before doing so I
should point out that for various reasons which I have given in a recent
posting (and will not go into at this time), I'm not a particular fan of
multi-partitioning one's hard drive except in very special circumstances,
e.g., the user is working with a single HD and is multi-booting different
operating systems. Separating the OS from programs & data via separate
partitions on a single hard drive gives the user, in my view, a false sense
of security and too often is awkward to use on a day-to-day basis for the
majority of users. By & large, my own preference is creating a single HD
partition and using folders for organization of programs & data.

Now as to Bruce's question and his apparent unease about using a disk
imaging program, e.g., Symantec's Norton Ghost or Acronis True Image, to (in
effect) "clone" one's working HD to another HD as a backup system. In my
view, this is the way to go for the great majority of personal computer
users. By imaging one's HD to another HD the result is a near-failsafe
backup system. For all practical purposes the resulting "clone" is a
bit-for-bit copy of the source disk, i.e., its operating system, its
registry & configuration settings, its programs & data - in short everything
that's on the source disk is now on the destination disk. To be sure it
means that the user must equip his computer with either another internal HD
or a USB/Firewire external hard drive and, of course, have a copy of the
disk imaging program. But given the continually falling prices of these
items, it is not a particular financial burden (I would guess) for the vast
majority of PC users to so equip his/her computer.

Using a disk imaging program (such as the ones mentioned) to "clone" one's
HD to another drive is simple, relatively quick, and effective. So when the
day comes (and it will come - just peruse this newsgroup and similar
newsgroups) that the user's system becomes corrupt because of some form of
malware, having a perfectly good clone restores the system to a workable
state. Sure, as Bruce fears, if you use your disk imaging program to clone
"garbage", "garbage" is what you'll get. Obviously you must perform the disk
imaging from a perfectly healthy system on a routine basis. Depending on
your use, that might be daily, weekly, or whatever. As I've previously
stated, the cloning process itself is simple and relatively quick, so from a
time-wise point of view it's not an onerous process to undertake on a
frequent basis.

My personal preference is to equip one's desktop computer (this hardware
configuration is not suitable for laptops/notebooks) with two removable hard
drives to gain the enormous flexibility this arrangement gives the user at a
relatively modest cost. But we'll leave that discussion for another time...
Anna
 
Over the years, I have found this to be an excellent idea and it has saved
me countless hours of work and frustration when I have had difficulties.
After a reinstall of the OS, you do NOT have to reinstall all your programs
IF you use a program like WinRescueXP. This excellent program takes seconds
to run and always has an up-to-date version of the Registry which you can
reinstall with all your program settings intact. The fact that your
programs are on a different partition from the OS makes this entirely
feasible. The WinRescue program maintains up to eight copies of the
Registry from the previous eight days so you can choose to reinstall the
settings from the date previous to the date when you started to have
problems. You can find more info and a trial at http://superwin.com
 
I'm thinking of partitioning my hard drive with Win XP installed on the
Primary partition while th programs will be installed on a newly created
logical drive. If the OS had to be reinstalled, must the programs be
reinstalled too - unless I had a current drive image of the OS which included
all the programs?

Yes, programs would have to be reinstalled if doing a rebuild of the
operating system.

In regards to current drive images, programs that were installed at the
time of the image, do not have to be reinstalled.

If you happen to store your programs on a partition separate from Windows
and that partition remains the same after the image restore of the
operating system, they do not have to be reinstalled. The relative registry
settings and supplemental files installed on the Windows partition will be
put back into place and be ready to go.
 
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Anna said:
about using a disk
imaging program, e.g., Symantec's Norton Ghost or Acronis True
Image,
to (in effect) "clone" one's working HD to another HD as a
backup
system. In my view, this is the way to go for the great
majority of
personal computer users. By imaging one's HD to another HD the
result
is a near-failsafe backup system. For all practical purposes
the
resulting "clone" is a bit-for-bit copy of the source disk,
i.e., its
operating system, its registry & configuration settings, its
programs
& data - in short everything that's on the source disk is now
on the
destination disk. To be sure it means that the user must equip
his
computer with either another internal HD or a USB/Firewire
external
hard drive and, of course, have a copy of the disk imaging
program.


I agree, with one very important caveat. Using an external drive
(it doesn't have to be USB or firewire; you can buy a permanently
installed sleeve into which you can slide a regular IDE drive) is
a good backup strategy. But using a second internally-mounted
hard drive for backup is *not*.

I don't recommend backup to a second non-removable hard drive
because it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the
original and backup to many of the most common dangers: severe
power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not
kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for
example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you
should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of
those generations should be stored off-site.

My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup
scheme uses two identical removable hard drives, which fit into a
sleeve installed in the computer. I alternate between the two,
and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive.
 
Ken Blake said:
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I agree, with one very important caveat. Using an external drive (it
doesn't have to be USB or firewire; you can buy a permanently installed
sleeve into which you can slide a regular IDE drive) is a good backup
strategy. But using a second internally-mounted hard drive for backup is
*not*.

I don't recommend backup to a second non-removable hard drive because it
leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to
many of the most common dangers: severe power glitches, nearby lightning
strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in
the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life
of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple
generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be
stored off-site.

My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses
two identical removable hard drives, which fit into a sleeve installed in
the computer. I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a
complete copy of the primary drive.


Yes, as I mentioned in my previous posting, installing two removable hard
drives in their mobile racks is a near-ideal hardware arrangement for one's
desktop computer. As I said...
"My personal preference is to equip one's desktop computer (this hardware
configuration is not suitable for laptops/notebooks) with two removable hard
drives to gain the enormous flexibility this arrangement gives the user at a
relatively modest cost. But we'll leave that discussion for another time..."

The problem is, Ken, that in my experience many users are reluctant (for a
variety of reasons) to so equip their desktop computer in this fashion.
More's the pity. So failing that, the next best course for most users is to
install a second internal hard drive in their system (if they don't already
have one installed) or to use a USB/Firewire external hard drive as their
backup device, i.e., to receive the cloned contents of their working drive.

I realize, of course, the potential dangers (as you mentioned) of having the
second drive installed internally. But truth to tell, in my experience
involving hundreds of personal computers, it has been an extremely rare
event that the second drive (used as the recipient of the clone) went down
from some physical occurrence outside the computer. And since the second
drive is (ordinarily) in use only when it is the recipient of the clone, the
danger of malware affecting it is rather minimal, unless of course the
cloned contents of the working drive are corrupted.

In any event, I do agree that for nearly all users of desktop computers, two
removable drives is an ideal arrangement. Over the years I've helped many
users install these devices, and as I've always told them -- they'll have
but one regret; and that is that their previous computers didn't have this
hardware configuration.
Anna
 
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Anna said:
Yes, as I mentioned in my previous posting, installing two
removable hard drives in their mobile racks is a near-ideal
hardware arrangement
for one's desktop computer.


Good, glad we agree.

The problem is, Ken, that in my experience many users are
reluctant
(for a variety of reasons) to so equip their desktop computer
in this
fashion. More's the pity.


Perhaps so. However I personally give what I consider to be the
best advice. What anyone does is, of course, up to the
individual. Neither of us can force any course of action upon
someone, nor would I want to.

So failing that, the next best course for
most users is to install a second internal hard drive in their
system


But here, I think our agreement goes away. I'd still want
removable media. If you can't have a removable hard drive, I'd
prefer almost any other choice to a permanently-mounted hard
drive. I'd probably use CDs or a thumb drive, and settle for less
than a complete image, if no other choice were available.

(if they don't already have one installed) or to use a
USB/Firewire
external hard drive as their backup device, i.e., to receive
the
cloned contents of their working drive.


Yes, USB or firewire is fine, if it's disconnected from the
computer after the backup. I didn't mean to argue against those
choices, just to point out that aren't the only kinds of
removable external drives.

I realize, of course, the potential dangers (as you mentioned)
of
having the second drive installed internally. But truth to
tell, in
my experience involving hundreds of personal computers, it has
been
an extremely rare event that the second drive (used as the
recipient
of the clone) went down from some physical occurrence outside
the
computer.


If your experience involves "hundreds of personal computers," it
may exceed mine. Nevertheless, I've known of this happening, and
more than once.

It may be a rare occurrence, but hard drive problems are
themselves always rare occurrences. That's what backup is all
about--protecting yourself against rare occurrences.

And since the second drive is (ordinarily) in use only when
it is the recipient of the clone, the danger of malware
affecting it
is rather minimal,


Here I disagree strongly. Whether it's in use is irrelevant. If
it's connected and accessible to software, it's vulnerable.
 

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