Registry Cleaners

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I'm happy to provide the following
for all those who claimed that
cleaning the registry is not required
nor advocated by Microsoft.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

The foolishness of providing
a presumption that Microsoft
does not advocate the use of
registry cleaners by MVP's
should now come to an end.

In fact, Microsoft provided
RegClean and ScanReg to clean
registries before some of you
guys were even born...

And as for those prehistoric
individuals who should have known
better - shame shame shame...

- db
 
I fully agree with you. The Registry is fully Microsoft's resposibility, as
is firewall / antivirus or internet safety because it is their software that
deals with these things. That third party software is the responsibility of
the lowly user to provide is worse than absurd, I consider it to be
criminally negligent? or an indictable offense?
Strong terms from someone who othewise has a lot of respect for Microsoft.
 
Microsoft makes no
claim as to whom is responsible
for the maintenance the registry file.

If you have found such a commandment
by Microsoft or found at
Microsoft.com, please let me know.

However Microsoft does provide the
tools necessary to access and hack
the registry; regardless if they are
used for problem solving, profit, pleasure,
curiosity, risk or for malicious reasons.

Unlike your belief that the registry
files / hives is the sole responsibility
of Microsoft. many fail to comprehend that
all files that "are" the sole responsibility
of Microsoft are highly encrypted and basically inaccessible
by anyone except Microsoft and maybe some corporations and
maybe the justice department.


- db


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I fully agree with you. The Registry is fully Microsoft's resposibility, as
is firewall / antivirus or internet safety because it is their software that
deals with these things. That third party software is the responsibility of
the lowly user to provide is worse than absurd, I consider it to be
criminally negligent? or an indictable offense?
Strong terms from someone who othewise has a lot of respect for Microsoft.
 
I'm happy to provide the following
for all those who claimed that
cleaning the registry is not required
nor advocated by Microsoft.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

The foolishness of providing
a presumption that Microsoft
does not advocate the use of
registry cleaners by MVP's
should now come to an end.
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Color me foolish, then. If the URL came from microsoft.com, I might
buy into your statements, but "onecare.live.com" is not proof to me
that this is anything more than a scam. Sorry, Charlie. :(

Now, that being said, I DO use a registry cleaner on occasion (an
older version of Registry First Aid v3.4), just because I would prefer
to keep junk out of the registry. It's just like cleaning the used
fast food wrappers out of the floor of the backseat in my old car...
it doesn't make the car run any better, it just makes me feel better.
:) BTW, I have never noticed any improvement in performance as such,
and I have never had an issue with something not working after using
the cleaner, either. I've been using it for several years with no
issues. I do use ERUNT to backup my registry first, just in case.
::knocking on wood::
 
Color me foolish, then. If the URL came from microsoft.com, I might
buy into your statements, but "onecare.live.com" is not proof to me
that this is anything more than a scam. Sorry, Charlie. :(
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Sorry about the "Sorry, Charlie." I was able to find your link from
the Microsoft web site, so I guess it is a valid site.

I downloaded and ran all their scans and here's my feelings about it.
The virus and spyware scan found some items and deleted them... one, a
file that I didn't want deleted. It didn't ask me what to do. That's
too much freedom for me. I won't be using that scanner again.

Now, the registry scanner. It found 486 items to delete. Prior to
running that scanner, I ran my Registry First Aid program to see what
it reported as needing clean up. Registry First Aid found 183. The MS
was more aggressive. I went ahead and allowed MS to clean up my
registry. All appears to be working, but only time could prove it
didn't delete something I want/need. I know my existing 'clean up'
program doesn't cause problems due to years of using it and not having
any problems. Therefore, I'll probably continue to use Registry First
Aid.

The information part of the scan wants to send all this info to MS...
info about my system, installed programs, and configurations. I did
not allow the sending of data. Why? Well, because MS scares me.

It tries to force IE7 on me by putting it in the critical updates. I
want to use IE6, which is still supported, therefore I don't consider
this a critical issue. Also, I'm worried that MS might find something
in my report that it doesn't like and wind up deleting something that
it will call 'malicious' and that I call 'mine'. I don't want anything
deleted, or disabled without my prior knowledge and consent. This is
also why I'm not in a big hurry to use Vista. I'm venturing off topic
here, so just let me finish by saying I'm not going to use the
'onecare.live' scans anymore. I'll wait a while and see how public
opinion goes. :)

Oh, one last thing: After doing all the above, I restored my system
using an image made before all these scans. So, it's like I never did
it. :))
 
i appreciate your
input ZilBandy.

it's always a pleasure
coversing with intelligent
person. Unfortunately,
there are too many online
who pretend otherwise..

- db
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message I'm happy to provide the following
for all those who claimed that
cleaning the registry is not required
nor advocated by Microsoft.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

The foolishness of providing
a presumption that Microsoft
does not advocate the use of
registry cleaners by MVP's
should now come to an end.

In fact, Microsoft provided
RegClean and ScanReg to clean
registries before some of you
guys were even born...

And as for those prehistoric
individuals who should have known
better - shame shame shame...

- db
 
i appreciate your
input ZilBandy.

it's always a pleasure
coversing with intelligent
person. Unfortunately,
there are too many online
who pretend otherwise..

- db
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in messageI'm happy to provide the following
for all those who claimed that
cleaning the registry is not required
nor advocated by Microsoft.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

The foolishness of providing
a presumption that Microsoft
does not advocate the use of
registry cleaners by MVP's
should now come to an end.

In fact, Microsoft provided
RegClean and ScanReg to clean
registries before some of you
guys were even born...

And as for those prehistoric
individuals who should have known
better - shame shame shame...

- db
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I have used RegistryMechanic for quite a while. If you just do the
quick scan, you usually do not find much and can examine each item
before you agree to have it removed. It then sets a restore point and
removes the items. If something goes wrong, you can restore to before
you deleted items. In the full scan mode you also get a deep scan
list, which often is very large. This is mostly registry trash that
various programs you have used leave. Some media programs leave a lot
of garbage without cleaning it up. All of this is usually safe to
remove without undue examination of each item. I do not know if such
cleanup really does any good. I do know that without cleanup in the
deep scan mode, there likely would be many thousand junk registry
items on my computer by this time.
 
db said:
* I'm happy to provide the following *
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As if anyone is going to take the advice of a known troll, who can't
weven be bothered to adhere to the rudiments of proper Usenet etiquette!
I don't care who says it's safe, years of first hand experience have
proven that no registry cleaner is safe in the hands of an inexperienced
user.


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Bruce Chambers said:
As if anyone is going to take the advice of a known troll, who can't weven
be bothered to adhere to the rudiments of proper Usenet etiquette! I don't
care who says it's safe, years of first hand experience have proven that
no registry cleaner is safe in the hands of an inexperienced user.
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That is a pretty lame response to someone who effectively knocked you off
your soap box concerning Registry Cleaners. I might add you have no
credentials that makes your comments any more valid than any other
contributor, all advice should be treated with caution and there is very
little that replaces personal experience.

Your personal experience may leave you with doubts over the value of
'cleaning the Registry' using software, others have been using 'Registry
cleaning' software for many years and have not experienced problems that can
be linked to deficiencies in the 'Cleaners'..

As far as I know, you have not identified any problem with any of the
commercially available Registry Cleaners that is repeatable. Until you do
so your advice on this particular subject is worthless.
 
if you have a legitimate
dispute with registry cleaners
take up with Microsoft and
their certified technicians/programmers.

also if you have a legitimate complaint
about my postings, again take it
up with Microsoft Outlook Programmers
and the one who controls the Usenet. I
think I saw a governmental webpage
on who is in charge of the Usenet.

also, Mr. Chambers take care
of the name calling. It simply
reflects your image and it is a bad example
for the younger contributors.

at this time, registry cleaners
are a necessary part of maintaining
the registry files according to
Microsoft and regardless of what
you think.

too bad for you and yours for
not "getting it"...

- db

Bruce Chambers said:
* I'm happy to provide the following *
Click to expand...

As if anyone is going to take the advice of a known troll, who can't
weven be bothered to adhere to the rudiments of proper Usenet etiquette!
I don't care who says it's safe, years of first hand experience have
proven that no registry cleaner is safe in the hands of an inexperienced
user.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
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