recommendations for an amd-based board PLEASE

T

Tanya

hi,
x-posted
i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
3000+ cpu)
not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
cards)...
i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
pci slots...
(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
thank you in advance!
 
R

Ruel Smith

Tanya said:
hi,
x-posted
i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
3000+ cpu)
not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
cards)...
i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
pci slots...
(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
thank you in advance!

Best brand, which is almost universally recognized as so, is Asus. However,
they do not make a PCI-e based motherboard that isn't SLI. MSI is also a
good brand, and I think they're the current supplier for Dell, if that
tells you anything about how good their products are. They have an nForce 4
board that has only a single PCI-e 16 slot for graphics - the K8N Neo4-F:

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4-F&class=mb

New Egg has the board for $94 + $4 shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchProductResult.asp?Submit=Go&DEPA=0

My favorite online retailer, ZipZoomFly, has it for $92 + free shipping:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=241163
 
K

KC Computers

i would really appreciate some suggestions for a board (for an amd64
3000+ cpu)
not for gaming...current problem is that i do not need sli (for 2 video
cards)...
i hear that agp is being phased out... but the boards with agp have more
pci slots...
(i don't know which brands are the best etc.)
thank you in advance!

What will you be using the PC for if not for gaming?
Are you interested in a motherboard with built-in
video to save $$$ right now? You are right about
most PCI Express boards not having as many PCI
slots as AGP ones (typically a max of 3). How
many do you need?
 
J

JAD

mainboard option variities will become much better when the platform becomes
more popular. Right now your dealing with the 'beta' versions of boards to
come.
 
T

Tanya

hi and thanks,
[...below...]

KC said:
What will you be using the PC for if not for gaming?

internet, photo editing (low key), scanning drawings...
(i'd assume that if it was good for gaming it would be a good pc all around?)
Are you interested in a motherboard with built-in
video to save $$$ right now?

yes however, i heard that the amd-boards with onBoard video have poor video
(compared to intel onboard)
(i am using a pmmx (200mhz) currently w/ onboard video and 2 mb's of video
ram) and it has a good display.
i would like to consider some amd-based boards with onboard video (plus i
assume like intel, one could get a card if necessary)
You are right about
most PCI Express boards not having as many PCI
slots as AGP ones (typically a max of 3). How
many do you need?

at least 2 but likely more (i think 3 is good) i don't know what pci-e, pci-e
x4 are for...

thanks,
sincerely
Tanya
 
T

Tanya

JAD said:
mainboard option variities will become much better when the platform becomes
more popular. Right now your dealing with the 'beta' versions of boards to
come.

are there any brands that are a bit more *advanced*?
 
J

JAD

for what puposes? 'not gaming' leaves what, office apps, graphics, video
editing? you don't really need 'advanced' for this kind of stuff. PCI -e is,
for now, the new interface for video.
 
B

Bob Knowlden

I presume that you're referring to a Socket 939 A64. (The other choice would
be Socket 754, which can give slightly less expensive system. Socket 754
seems to be "being phased out", but there are still lots of mainboards on
the market.)

If you don't want SLI, there may not be much point in getting a PCI-E
mainboard at this time. AGP is still in the mainstream, and I've read
nothing that indicates that first-generation PCI-E graphics cards offer
performance advantages over AGP.

I suggest that you not worry about obsolescence, as it's unavoidable, but
rather aim for performance and reliability.

My current machine uses an Asus A8V Deluxe mainboard. It's AGP, with 5 PCI
slots. (I'm using an Audigy 2 sound card, even though the board has
multichannnel onboard audio. The onboard gigabit NIC is adequate to use with
my 4 Mb/s cable modem connection.) If you buy one of these, Revision 2 is
supposed to be better, although the differences may never be obvious if you
don't overclock. I have my A8V Rev 2 for quite a while - about 6 months.

If you want PCI-E graphics but not SLI, there's the A8V-E, which uses the
newer K8T890 chipset. (It has only 3 PCI slots, plus two PCI-E X1 slots.
Cards for the latter don't seem to be common yet.)

If you wish to get overwhelmed, go to www.newegg.com. Search for AMD
mainboards using Socket 939. I imagine that the boards with the highest
performance at the moment use the nVidia nForce 4 chipsets. The vanilla
nForce 4 doesn't support SLI. Abit and Microstar have favorable reputations,
and DFI is becoming popular with overclockers. I like Asus, but they don't
appear to have a non-SLI nForce 4 board.

Good luck.

Bob Knowlden

Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
 
D

dilbert firestorm

for the clueless, whats sli?



Bob said:
I presume that you're referring to a Socket 939 A64. (The other choice would
be Socket 754, which can give slightly less expensive system. Socket 754
seems to be "being phased out", but there are still lots of mainboards on
the market.)

If you don't want SLI, there may not be much point in getting a PCI-E
mainboard at this time. AGP is still in the mainstream, and I've read
nothing that indicates that first-generation PCI-E graphics cards offer
performance advantages over AGP.

I suggest that you not worry about obsolescence, as it's unavoidable, but
rather aim for performance and reliability.

My current machine uses an Asus A8V Deluxe mainboard. It's AGP, with 5 PCI
slots. (I'm using an Audigy 2 sound card, even though the board has
multichannnel onboard audio. The onboard gigabit NIC is adequate to use with
my 4 Mb/s cable modem connection.) If you buy one of these, Revision 2 is
supposed to be better, although the differences may never be obvious if you
don't overclock. I have my A8V Rev 2 for quite a while - about 6 months.

If you want PCI-E graphics but not SLI, there's the A8V-E, which uses the
newer K8T890 chipset. (It has only 3 PCI slots, plus two PCI-E X1 slots.
Cards for the latter don't seem to be common yet.)

If you wish to get overwhelmed, go to www.newegg.com. Search for AMD
mainboards using Socket 939. I imagine that the boards with the highest
performance at the moment use the nVidia nForce 4 chipsets. The vanilla
nForce 4 doesn't support SLI. Abit and Microstar have favorable reputations,
and DFI is becoming popular with overclockers. I like Asus, but they don't
appear to have a non-SLI nForce 4 board.

Good luck.

Bob Knowlden

Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.
 
R

Ruel Smith

Tanya said:
are there any brands that are a bit more *advanced*?

What Jad has said is true. As a matter of fact, the new generation of Athlon
64's have trouble with nForce boards, as they've changed something. No word
if this affects Via based boards, yet.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=21780

One would think that new drivers might fix the issue, but apparently, it's
firmware related and not easily solved without changing motherboards.

However, you cannot wait forever. By the time they iron out any problems
that might have occurred in a particular chipset/motherboard, new
technology is released. Dual core Athlon 64's will appear in the second
half of this year, which is about the time revision 2 boards of the current
offerings may appear. But, by then, you'll pay less for what will be
considered, at the time, "old technology". The only way you can be assured
of not having any problems at all is buying yesterday's technology. Then,
you usually feel as if you're getting less for your money. For instance,
Athlon 64's are now about as cheap as Athlon XP's. Even the motherboards
are now about as cheap. That begs the question why you would even build an
Athlon XP board even if it's as reliable as it could be.

You'll never get ahead of the game. You're either on the cutting edge, or
you're hardware will feel outdated fairly quickly. You can't wait forever
for tomorrow's technology, but today's technology will soon be obsolete.
You just can't win.
 
R

Ruel Smith

Tanya said:
yes however, i heard that the amd-boards with onBoard video have poor
video (compared to intel onboard)
(i am using a pmmx (200mhz) currently w/ onboard video and 2 mb's of video
ram) and it has a good display.
i would like to consider some amd-based boards with onboard video (plus i
assume like intel, one could get a card if necessary)

I seem to remember that nForce boards with built-in graphics spanked Intel
boards with built-in graphics. However, I haven't seen an nForce board with
onboard graphics in awhile. I think nForce 2 was the last chipset available
from nVidia with built-in graphics. I'm not sure about Via and ATi, but I
don't think anyone has a PCI-e board with onboard graphics right now.
Onboard graphics tend to be on the low end, and PCI-e boards are at the
high end.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040211/index.html
at least 2 but likely more (i think 3 is good) i don't know what pci-e,
pci-e x4 are for...

I've got 2 computers and only 1 single PCI card installed, which is a
Creative Audigy sound card. The other slots have remained unused. Gone are
the days you have a modem card, a LAN card, a hardware DVD decoder, an
additional IDE controller, and maybe a TV card. You pretty much use onboard
stuff, unless, like me, you want to add a 3rd party sound card, a modem, or
something. DVD decoding is now done effortlessly with software, many people
use broadband connections and connect via USB or onboard LAN, motherboards
have multiple IDE/SATA connections and controllers, and just about anything
else you'd want can be added via USB.

PCI-e x1 and PCI-e x4 are supposed to replace PCI slots in the near future,
just as PCI did ISA slots.
 
D

Derek Baker

Tanya said:
hi and thanks,
[...below...]

KC said:
What will you be using the PC for if not for gaming?

internet, photo editing (low key), scanning drawings...
(i'd assume that if it was good for gaming it would be a good pc all
around?)
Are you interested in a motherboard with built-in
video to save $$$ right now?

yes however, i heard that the amd-boards with onBoard video have poor
video
(compared to intel onboard)


Where did you here this?
 
T

Tanya

hi Bob,
thanks for the reply...
[...below...]

Bob said:
I presume that you're referring to a Socket 939 A64. (The other choice would
be Socket 754, which can give slightly less expensive system.

sorry -- i should have mentioned this (s939)
Socket 754
seems to be "being phased out", but there are still lots of mainboards on
the market.)

If you don't want SLI, there may not be much point in getting a PCI-E
mainboard at this time. AGP is still in the mainstream, and I've read
nothing that indicates that first-generation PCI-E graphics cards offer
performance advantages over AGP.

seems like the agp-supporting boards offer more options that i'd need...
I suggest that you not worry about obsolescence, as it's unavoidable, but
rather aim for performance and reliability.

i'm not worried about the pc / board being obsolete and for reliability i guess
it should have been around for a while.
My current machine uses an Asus A8V Deluxe mainboard. It's AGP, with 5 PCI
slots. (I'm using an Audigy 2 sound card, even though the board has
multichannnel onboard audio. The onboard gigabit NIC is adequate to use with
my 4 Mb/s cable modem connection.) If you buy one of these, Revision 2 is
supposed to be better, although the differences may never be obvious if you
don't overclock. I have my A8V Rev 2 for quite a while - about 6 months.

where would it say rev 2? i have not seen this...
If you want PCI-E graphics but not SLI, there's the A8V-E, which uses the
newer K8T890 chipset. (It has only 3 PCI slots, plus two PCI-E X1 slots.
Cards for the latter don't seem to be common yet.)

If you wish to get overwhelmed, go to www.newegg.com. Search for AMD
mainboards using Socket 939.

that is why i am trying to get recommendations :)
I imagine that the boards with the highest
performance at the moment use the nVidia nForce 4 chipsets. The vanilla
nForce 4 doesn't support SLI. Abit and Microstar have favorable reputations,
and DFI is becoming popular with overclockers. I like Asus, but they don't
appear to have a non-SLI nForce 4 board.

how about the nforce3 chipset?
 
B

Bob Knowlden

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_sli_home.html

SLI is using two graphics cards to drive a single display, to increase the
3D graphics processing power. It seems to be useful mainly for gaming,
although there were commercial uses of such technologies in the past (i. e.,
multi-GPU setups for simulators).

The term originally meant "scan line interleaving", as developed by 3dfx.
(One card in an SLI pair rendered the even scan lines, the other did the odd
lines.) With nVidia, it's "scalable link interface", and it may not involve
interleaving. (I haven't studied it.)

I guess that if you have a really expensive high-end CPU (Intel P4 Extreme
Edition, or AMD Athlon64 FX), spending $500US or more *each* on a pair of
PCI-E Geforce 6800 Ultra cards isn't unthinkable. (But it still won't get
you chicks... ;-)

Bob Kn.

dilbert firestorm said:
for the clueless, whats sli?
(snip)
 
K

kony

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:59:17 -0500, Tanya

yes however, i heard that the amd-boards with onBoard video have poor video
(compared to intel onboard)


No, Intel Extreme graphics are just about the slowest (maybe
ignoring some Sis' boards). Often on 3rd party chipset
boards for Intel CPUs, there might be ATI video which isn't
bad, but nForce2 is still preferrible. Integrated video
though is a small niche, it's not suitable for modern gaming
and yet any of them are quite fast enough for 2D (typical
office, email, 'surfing, etc) and DVD/movie/etc watching.
In other words, if you're wanting to play 3D games don't
think about integrated video, but if you're not, the video
performance matters little compared to anything else.
 
M

Morituri-|-Max

at least 2 but likely more (i think 3 is good) i don't know what pci-e,
pci-e
x4 are for...

I've got an ASUS A8N-SLI board with 2 PCI-E Slots and 3 PCI slots as well as
very good built in audio...
 
D

Derek Baker

kony said:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:59:17 -0500, Tanya




No, Intel Extreme graphics are just about the slowest (maybe
ignoring some Sis' boards). Often on 3rd party chipset
boards for Intel CPUs, there might be ATI video which isn't
bad, but nForce2 is still preferrible. Integrated video
though is a small niche, it's not suitable for modern gaming
and yet any of them are quite fast enough for 2D (typical
office, email, 'surfing, etc) and DVD/movie/etc watching.
In other words, if you're wanting to play 3D games don't
think about integrated video, but if you're not, the video
performance matters little compared to anything else.

Don't forget VIA.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipsets/display/i915g_8.html
 

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