really clean the registry

O

Osiris

there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.

Why are those not cleaned out as well ?
Every install program takes care of its own necessities in the
registry, I figure.

How would I thoroughly clean the registry ? (besides manually delete)
?
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Osiris said:
there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.

Why are those not cleaned out as well ?
Every install program takes care of its own necessities in the
registry, I figure.

How would I thoroughly clean the registry ? (besides manually delete)
?

Lots of people use registry cleaners but few bother to
measure what improvement it gives them (other than a
glowing warm feeling inside). At best your machine will
run at the same speed as before; at worst it won't run
at all. If your machine runs well, leave it as it is.
 
R

RJK

....very complicated issue because MS has "bought in" bits and pieces from
other software houses and incorporated them into their platforms, across the
years.

regards, Richard
 
P

Phil Anthropist

Osiris said:
there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.

Why are those not cleaned out as well ?
Every install program takes care of its own necessities in the
registry, I figure.

How would I thoroughly clean the registry ? (besides manually delete)
?

The only way to have a clean registry is to do a fresh install of Windows XP
and then never use your computer. Immediately you use your computer,
including installing and uninstalling software, you will cause changes in
the registry.
 
S

S.Sengupta

Infact they potentially can cause a lot of problems which cannot be
easily fixed by the home user.

regards,
S.Sengupta[MS-MVP]
 
O

Opinicus

Osiris said:
there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.
Why are those not cleaned out as well ?
Every install program takes care of its own necessities in the
registry, I figure.
How would I thoroughly clean the registry ? (besides manually delete)

"If it's not broke, don't fix it".
 
K

Ken Blake

there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.

Why are those not cleaned out as well ?
Every install program takes care of its own necessities in the
registry, I figure.

How would I thoroughly clean the registry ? (besides manually delete)


I always recommend against the routine use of registry cleaners. Routine
cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry
alone and don't use a registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having
unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may
have.
 
N

nr

Ken said:
I always recommend against the routine use of registry cleaners. Routine
cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry
alone and don't use a registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having
unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may
have.

Interesting thread. If I may add a question: I find registry entries
for movies that I've watched. Why are these entries made and why
aren't they deleted when I close the player? Is it possible to set
this to run automatically?
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Interesting thread. If I may add a question: I find registry entries
for movies that I've watched. Why are these entries made and why
aren't they deleted when I close the player?

The registry is full of MRUs (Most Recently Used) that programs do not
remove.

MRU-Blaster
Protect your privacy - find and remove over 30,000 MRU lists!
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/mrublaster.html

Even MRU-Blaster doesn't get all of the MRUs.

Ad-Aware always finds four and Spybot S&D will find four or five after I
have run MRU-Blaster.

MRU-Blaster looks at 30,345 MRU items.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Osiris said:
there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.

Why are those not cleaned out as well ?


Because most registry "cleaners" are nothing more than snake oil
"remedies" for non-existent "problems."

Every install program takes care of its own necessities in the
registry, I figure.

How would I thoroughly clean the registry ? (besides manually delete)
?


Why would you think you need to clean your registry?

What specific *problem* are you experiencing that you *know* beyond
all reasonable doubt will be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you
do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better
to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s)
and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. Why use a shotgun when a
scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or
two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of
allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change. Having seen the results of inexperienced people
using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user.

The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

Further, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction, that the
use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability.

I always use Regedit.exe. I trust my own experience and judgment
far more than I would any automated registry cleaner. I strongly
encourage others to acquire the knowledge, as well.


--

Bruce Chambers

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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrum Russell
 
P

Plato

Osiris said:
there are many registry cleaning gprograms.
However, after cleaning, I still see registry entries for programs I
do NOT have, never HAD, and never will have.
long lists of file extensions I never heard of, will never hear of.

NO registry cleaning apps are perfect. In fact, the best ones are
conservitive.
 
O

Osiris

yeah. IAll previous posters in this thread have said what you said.
And there is nothing really new there either.
"Don't fix it, if it ain't..." etc.

Still: using regedit is still easier in a small "only
necessary"-keys-registry, than a bloated one, full of things no one
needs/will need.
Installing/uninstalling programs make the registry bigger and bigger,
making it ever more difficult to work with.
Just yesterday I ran a cleaner that wiped out more than 3000 items,
left by some program I uninstalled.

It is still easier to pinpoint a key or key value in a small registry
than it is in a big registry.
It is still better to not even SEE the unnecessary stuf when working
with regedit than being presented with screens full of thiings that
should not even be there...
Notwithstanding all the search facilities we have these days.
The chances for a "false hit" when searching a big registry is greater
than with a small "only-essentials" registry.

Probably MS's idea was that the registry was only for the system to
work with.
Well, that ain't so. I regularly have to dig in to solve some problem
with registry settings for someone.
COmplexity and size are only NO problem, if you are never confronted
with it.

So please stop stating the obvious ... That is too easy.

But anyway, my conclusion is: there is no satisfying answer to my
prayers.
 
C

cuba

Bruce said:
Because most registry "cleaners" are nothing more than snake oil
"remedies" for non-existent "problems."

But some are very good at what they do.
Why would you think you need to clean your registry?

What specific *problem* are you experiencing that you *know* beyond
all reasonable doubt will be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you
do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better
to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s)
and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. Why use a shotgun when a
scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or
two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of
allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously.

*I* have seem *many* *problems* in which I *knew* required *cleaning*.

[snip]
The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge
and Regedit.exe. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain
your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

But *you* as an *expert* could write an *automated registry cleaner*
that would work, right?

[snip]

Much of what you say is correct. But your condescending attitude is
annoying. (I hope that I have been as equally annoying.)

Having to modify the registry is a fact of life in Windows -- thousands
of MSKB articles support this fact.

Automated registry tools, like any system software utilities, can be
useful. And can have bugs. Some are extremely useful. And yes there are
many "yet-another-Windows-App-being-passed-off-as-import-but-is-lame"
programs all over the Net. As soon as someone downloads one and it
breaks their system they will have learned and important, albeit
costly, lesson.

Caution is indeed a worthy word, but you cannot yell at people and
expect people to listen.
 

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