Real-world ink longevity test, Part 2

[zakezuke]

Additional:

In all fairness... I found that the Epson r200 I used worked well on
most CD/DVD types with with the least amount of tweeking. This would
include Verbatium white DVDs, and the Silver CDs I tried. My canon
ip3000/ip5200 both require at least an adjustment in the intensity...
in some cases +8 to +11.

Also... in terms of waste... while the r200 used a clearly more dense
dye than canon, an effect you can see printing on non-printables, the
epson in my experience was more wasteful than the Canon. R200 drytime
on non-printables was a month or two, canon the ink wouldn't even
beed. HP, esp the series that uses the #95 to #99 tanks should be the
least wasteful of actual ink, well except in any multi-tank cartridge
the cartridge is almost useless when one color is expended.

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

zake

It's hard to advice you one way or the other without knowing anything
about what your needs are. I went with the canon. Ease of refilling
was a must.

It'll be for general-purpose use, mostly text on paper, maps in color,
and occasional CDs, and reasonable fade-resistance for that is
desirable. I hardly expect to be printing any photos. Sane refilling is
a must. With apologies to Bob Headrick, the cost and the scam of OE ink
is unacceptable to me. I'm not gonna personally pay the cost of any
CEOs' multi-million-dollar severance packages. I'll let Miskeate do that
for the rest of us.

Richard!
Onward!

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Praise the Lord - I thought I was on the printer newsgroup, but I see that
I've stumbled onto the Church of InkyStinky Lies Chat Room. Praytell,
brother Troll, did they "get your goat' to perform an animal sacrifice?

He's a goin' ta hell, I tell ya. He misspelled "evangelists," and GodD
won't tolerate that. Go drill his teeth, Burt. But first you've got to
find him, and he's too chicken to show his face,

 

[zakezuke]

zake




It'll be for general-purpose use, mostly text on paper, maps in color,
and occasional CDs, and reasonable fade-resistance for that is
desirable. I hardly expect to be printing any photos. Sane refilling is
a must. With apologies to Bob Headrick, the cost and the scam of OE ink
is unacceptable to me. I'm not gonna personally pay the cost of any
CEOs' multi-million-dollar severance packages. I'll let Miskeate do that
for the rest of us.

For general purpose, and ease of refilling, i'd go canon. With Canon
you have the issue with chips which presently can not be reset, unless
you are talking older models like the ip3000 ip4000 ip5000. But you
can at least continue using the printer with chips that say "empty".
You will have to make your own plugs for manual refilling, keep your
old ink tank caps, which is in all fairness a bit of a pain.

I don't have a good meter of the performance of MIS
(www.inksupply.com) ink on the current generation of canons. I can't
say I would for example leave a CD/DVD in direct sunlight for days,
but generally they are stored in cases. But cases with glue on labels
still look decent after 1 to 2 years.

If you are going for text, i'd lean toward the ip4200/ip4300. The
ip4300 is in the same class as what I own, the ip5200. The ip3300 may
also be an acceptable choice, it doesn't have the extra dye black and
color resolution is lower. Either way they are making way for the new
model the ip3500/4500 which doesn't look like an improvement over the
older model.

I'm sure one can refill the HP cartridges. There is someone out there
who says it's easy.

 

[zakezuke]

Praise the Lord - I thought I was on the printer newsgroup, but I see that
I've stumbled onto the Church of InkyStinky Lies Chat Room. Praytell,
brother Troll, did they "get your goat' to perform an animal sacrifice?

And you wondered why I say "My printer gave up the goat" rather than
"gave up the ghost".

 

[Jerry1111]

I'm sure one can refill the HP cartridges. There is someone out there
who says it's easy.

With new #363 inks (#02 in the US) it's dead easy. It's a spongeless
cartridge with a separate head. At the moment I'm after 10 refills and
there's not a single problem with the printer. The biggest investment -
I had to buy 6 resettable chips and replace chips from the original
cartridges.

 

[measekite]

He's a goin' ta hell, I tell ya. He misspelled "evangelists," and GodD
won't tolerate that. Go drill his teeth, Burt. But first you've got to
find him, and he's too chicken to show his face,

 

[measekite]

With new #363 inks (#02 in the US) it's dead easy. It's a spongeless
cartridge with a separate head. At the moment I'm after 10 refills and
there's not a single problem with the printer. The biggest investment
- I had to buy 6 resettable chips and replace chips from the original
cartridges.

Some people say that programming in machine language is also easy. Some
said no and developed Assembler and said that was easy. Others said no
and developed Basic. Some said Basic was easy but others said no and
developed Visual Basic. You see =-O

 

[zakezuke]

With new #363 inks (#02 in the US) it's dead easy. It's a spongeless
cartridge with a separate head. At the moment I'm after 10 refills and
there's not a single problem with the printer. The biggest investment -
I had to buy 6 resettable chips and replace chips from the original
cartridges.

That's good to know... I'm not up on the hp series. The question in
this case is is there an option for #363/#02 based printers and CD
printing?

 

[zakezuke]

Some people say that programming in machine language is also easy. Some
said no and developed Assembler and said that was easy. Others said no
and developed Basic. Some said Basic was easy but others said no and
developed Visual Basic. You see =-O

Yes, we all know you claim to have graduated from Stanford with an MBA
and presently create VB scripts for databases, and you use your skills
to read PCmag and tell the world about the evils of aftermarket ink.

 

[TJ]

I'm sure one can refill the HP cartridges. There is someone out there
who says it's easy.

As far as the #56/57/58 carts are concerned, it couldn't be much easier.
The older tricolors were more difficult. I don't know about the newer
carts.

TJ

 

[Jerry1111]

Some people say that programming in machine language is also easy.

It is. What's 21 xx xx in Z80?
Or what's CD xx xx ?
Or what's C3 ?

 

[Jerry1111]

That's good to know... I'm not up on the hp series. The question in
this case is is there an option for #363/#02 based printers and CD
printing?

Yep - I saw one model with #363 able to CD-print 6 months ago (in the UK
- not sure how it is in the US because of the Philips licensing).

6 months ago because that's when I got my printer. I decided against
only because of lack of the (now I know that crappy) scanner.