real story VISTA RTM ?

[Piet Fourie]

Can anybody, who knows, tell me what the real situation is with the RTM of
Vista. I downloaded a copy via Internet. If you install it without a number
it gives you 30 days to activate. If you use that fake number it gives you 3
days to activate.If you try the crack it will obviously take you back to RC2
or so with its limitations.Can one use the RTM and buy a number from MS when
it becomes available ? Are the RTM's on MSDN the same than the ones from the
Internet ? regards

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

RTM is not available for download except for a select few and most of them
are major Microsoft partners.

So unless you downloaded from a legitimate source, no one can really answer
your questions.
If your source is legitimate, ask the person responsible for it or your
Microsoft representative.

RTM will probably be available to MSDN this Friday.

 

[Nero]

The "crack"does not take you back to RC2, it justs lets you activate it
using your RC2 key.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Would you hand your computer to the next person who walked by on the street
and let that person do whatever they wanted to do to it?

In effect that's what you've just done.

No matter what assurances you have gotten from the person who gave you the
copy, what you have is an illegal copy of Vista. It may be legitimate or it
may be full of viruses and worms and such.

The rest of your questions are both silly and immaterial given this fact.

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[Tom Porterfield]

Can anybody, who knows, tell me what the real situation is with the RTM of
Vista. I downloaded a copy via Internet. If you install it without a number
it gives you 30 days to activate. If you use that fake number it gives you 3
days to activate.If you try the crack it will obviously take you back to RC2
or so with its limitations.Can one use the RTM and buy a number from MS when
it becomes available ? Are the RTM's on MSDN the same than the ones from the
Internet ? regards

No. The RTM's that will be posted on MSDN will not be hacked with beta
files, will be verified by MS to be true RTM copies.

Once you install, you have 30 days to activate, no difference there. The
difference, if you get it from MSDN you will also get a valid product key
that won't cause Vista to expire after a period of time.

 

[Tom Porterfield]

The "crack"does not take you back to RC2, it justs lets you activate it
using your RC2 key.

And causes your copy to expire, just like RC2.

 

[Nero]

True

And causes your copy to expire, just like RC2.

 

[I.P. Nichols]

And causes your copy to expire, just like RC2.

True - But since the hack simply involves replacing two files there is no
reason that before 6/1/07 one can't reverse it be reverting to the original
two files and use a legit ProdID key to re-activate.

 

[Piet Fourie]

Richard, you are jumping the gun ! There are many copies of the RTM on the
net. The Torrents and Rapidshare is full of it. Surely, it must come from
the inside of Microsoft. The copy I have works perfectly. It has no virii.
It has a one month activation. Surely we have a right to play around with it
without being accused of dishonesty. We have the whole of the first half of
next year to buy the Software if we want it.There are no added files. I have
not tried to crack it.I cannot understand why you guys are always looking
for crooks. The crook is at Microsoft. If you cannot give advice in a
positive manner, then please SHUT UP !

Would you hand your computer to the next person who walked by on the
street and let that person do whatever they wanted to do to it?

In effect that's what you've just done.

No matter what assurances you have gotten from the person who gave you the
copy, what you have is an illegal copy of Vista. It may be legitimate or
it may be full of viruses and worms and such.

The rest of your questions are both silly and immaterial given this fact.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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Can anybody, who knows, tell me what the real situation is with the RTM
of Vista. I downloaded a copy via Internet. If you install it without a
number it gives you 30 days to activate. If you use that fake number it
gives you 3 days to activate.If you try the crack it will obviously take
you back to RC2 or so with its limitations.Can one use the RTM and buy a
number from MS when it becomes available ? Are the RTM's on MSDN the same
than the ones from the Internet ? regards

 

[Henry]

Didn't you wonder why it was leaked?

 

[Richard Urban]

If you do not want to get flack from people who think what you are doing is
not quite correct, go to the Chinese web sites and ask your questions there.
There are more appropriate forums | news groups | web sites than this for
your questions.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Richard, you are jumping the gun ! There are many copies of the RTM on the
net. The Torrents and Rapidshare is full of it. Surely, it must come from
the inside of Microsoft. The copy I have works perfectly. It has no virii.
It has a one month activation. Surely we have a right to play around with
it without being accused of dishonesty. We have the whole of the first
half of next year to buy the Software if we want it.There are no added
files. I have not tried to crack it.I cannot understand why you guys are
always looking for crooks. The crook is at Microsoft. If you cannot give
advice in a positive manner, then please SHUT UP !

Would you hand your computer to the next person who walked by on the
street and let that person do whatever they wanted to do to it?

In effect that's what you've just done.

No matter what assurances you have gotten from the person who gave you
the copy, what you have is an illegal copy of Vista. It may be
legitimate or it may be full of viruses and worms and such.

The rest of your questions are both silly and immaterial given this fact.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

Can anybody, who knows, tell me what the real situation is with the RTM
of Vista. I downloaded a copy via Internet. If you install it without a
number it gives you 30 days to activate. If you use that fake number it
gives you 3 days to activate.If you try the crack it will obviously take
you back to RC2 or so with its limitations.Can one use the RTM and buy a
number from MS when it becomes available ? Are the RTM's on MSDN the
same than the ones from the Internet ? regards

 

[**__MIke__**]

Assuming your copy hasn't been changed, there's no reason to expect that you
couldn't activate it with a legit key assuming you don't hack it. The
question then is whether or not you can get a legit key before the 30 days
are up. AFAIK the only way that's possible is if you have MSDN, possibly
MSDNAA depending on release date or buy a business license pack of 5 or
more. Keep in mind that your key will have to be for the exact version you
chose during install without the key. My advice would be to not put too much
time into it because you'll almost surely end up formatting and reinstalling
a legit version later.

-Mike

 

[Guest]

Since no one knows which version of Windows Vista RTM
was leaked to the internet, i.e. Volume, OEM, Retail, etc.;
your inquiry cannot be addressed. You need to wait until
you can purchase an authentic, genuine version of Windows
Vista and then install it legally.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"There are many copies of the RTM..."
Really, and how many of those will you personally guarantee are EXACTLY as
Microsoft intended?
There have already been reports of early Betas being passed of as RTM.

"Surely we have a right..."
To use stolen software?
Questionable quality at best since you do not know what was done to your
particular copy after it left Microsoft but before being shared with the
world.

"The crook is at Microsoft"
Irrelevant, If you think true, file charges.
That is a common excuse by those using stolen software to justify their own
illegitimate activities.

There are places that are glad to help those deal with illegitimate
software, these newsgroups are generally not the place since most here are
willing to pay for what they use.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

Richard, you are jumping the gun ! There are many copies of the RTM on the
net. The Torrents and Rapidshare is full of it. Surely, it must come from
the inside of Microsoft. The copy I have works perfectly. It has no virii.
It has a one month activation. Surely we have a right to play around with
it without being accused of dishonesty. We have the whole of the first
half of next year to buy the Software if we want it.There are no added
files. I have not tried to crack it.I cannot understand why you guys are
always looking for crooks. The crook is at Microsoft. If you cannot give
advice in a positive manner, then please SHUT UP !

Would you hand your computer to the next person who walked by on the
street and let that person do whatever they wanted to do to it?

In effect that's what you've just done.

No matter what assurances you have gotten from the person who gave you
the copy, what you have is an illegal copy of Vista. It may be
legitimate or it may be full of viruses and worms and such.

The rest of your questions are both silly and immaterial given this fact.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
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[Richard G. Harper]

Dude, you really need to chill out.

Say, I got an idea - let me tell you that cow chips (you may need to google
this if you are not from the Midwest/Farm Belt United States) are gold. I
assert this to be the complete and utter truth!

There are tens of thousands of them out there - heck there are thousands of
them in a field not a mile from my house. You can have them, all you want,
just by coming over and picking them up.

Come on over and get them and get rich! Really! It's true!

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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Richard, you are jumping the gun !

<le major snippage>

 

[Ex]

Let Piet live with his disolutions. I find the pompous claptrap from the
Richard Urbans's and then Jupiter Jones' to be be more absurb. .... and
entertaining.

 

[Saucy]

Well, rumour has it that that is actually the case: that a disloyal
employ(s) is responsible for the early crack. I doubt if customers are in a
position to file charges against a Microsoft employee who's not been
identified, so I don't know why you suggest such a thing.

I think that the "common excuse" you are referring to actually is not so
much that there is a crook at Microsoft, rather that Microsoft itself - the
corporation - is, to all intents and purposes, a crook, and therefore the
dubious conclusion is drawn that it is OK to "steal" from it. More likely is
these people don't actually steal from Microsoft, rather they offend by
copying Microsoft software - i.e. various copyright offences.

Movies like "Pirates of Silicon Valley" help make that impression that
Microsoft is a "thief" wide-spread. Conviction of Microsoft in U.S. courts
of illegal activity furthers the notion as well as makes Microsoft a bona
fide criminal entity (French courts actually convicted Microsoft of piracy).
Many other people and companies would say they have been burned by
Microsoft.

However, since Microsoft has not been convicted of any major crime related
to the creation of Vista, it is an offence against copyright law to copy
Microsoft Windows Vista in manners contradicting copyright law (notice I
didn't say EULA).

Regardless, though, and I want to point out, copying software is *not*
theft. It is a copyright offence. It suits the purpose of many to introduce
confusion in that matter i.e. to call copyright offence "theft" because it
makes it seem a worse crime than it might otherwise be considered.

I think it is OK to point out that copyright offence is not theft. Why? For
one thing, it isn't. For another thing, it is worth noting that the
widespread calling it "theft" might be agenda driven, having wide
implications if decision makers misidentify what the crime actually is. It
might suit Microsoft's agenda to have the offence misidentified, but it
might not serve justice.