Read only resetting.

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Robbie.

Hi all. My computer keeps tagging some files read only. I am allowed
to uncheck the read only in the attributes window but the file is
immediately retagged read only, thus unable to be erased or renamed.

The files are not OS files or operating files from programs.
Maybe the Firewall is doing it, although the same applies with it
disabled and computer off line.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

WindowsXP

Bob.
 
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Sharon F

Hi all. My computer keeps tagging some files read only. I am allowed
to uncheck the read only in the attributes window but the file is
immediately retagged read only, thus unable to be erased or renamed.

The files are not OS files or operating files from programs.
Maybe the Firewall is doing it, although the same applies with it
disabled and computer off line.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

WindowsXP

Bob.

Example of a file that this is happening to? Also, how are you determining
it's read-only? Is it possible this is a permissions issue (access denied
doesn't always mean read only) instead of an attributes issue?
 
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Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

Hi,

"Read only" as an attribute is ignored by Windows at the folder level, it
only applies to files. For why, read:

Unable to remove Read-Only attribute from folder
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=256614

As to a file, even if marked read only, it can still be erased or renamed,
it is the contents that cannot be changed. I suspect your problem lies
elsewhere.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
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Bradley

Thanks for your help,
Example of a file that this is happening to?

Can be any file .doc .jpg .txt, zip seemingly at the computers whim.
Also, how are you determining it's read-only?

Right click to open properties window then the three boxes Read only,
Hidden, Archive.
Is it possible this is a permissions issue (access denied
doesn't always mean read only) instead of an attributes issue?

Don't really know but I get no message re permissions just the box
usually but not always reticks itself read only. Only message I get
occasionally is something about read only, but when the box won't
untick nothing happens if I want to rename etc. Sometimes all operates
perfectly all "seems" unrelated to programs running or run in a
session

Not my files I'm afraid!

Yep! The problem could be elsewhere, but the burning question is
where?

Might just take a deep breath and format and reinstall XP as it seems
to be strange and becoming a frustrating problem, as you have guessed
I'm no computer whizz.

Thanks again.

Brad.
 
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Sharon F

Thanks for your help,

Can be any file .doc .jpg .txt, zip seemingly at the computers whim.


Right click to open properties window then the three boxes Read only,
Hidden, Archive.


Don't really know but I get no message re permissions just the box
usually but not always reticks itself read only. Only message I get
occasionally is something about read only, but when the box won't
untick nothing happens if I want to rename etc. Sometimes all operates
perfectly all "seems" unrelated to programs running or run in a
session


Not my files I'm afraid!


Yep! The problem could be elsewhere, but the burning question is
where?

Might just take a deep breath and format and reinstall XP as it seems
to be strange and becoming a frustrating problem, as you have guessed
I'm no computer whizz.

Thanks again.

Brad.

Bob, there is a new marking in the read only attribute box for folders - a
square or block. If you click that box several times, you see the typical
empty box, the check in the box (dimmed or normal), and then the square.
The square represents an value termed "indeterminate." This means that
there is the *possibility* of permissions blocking access to a file. I've
never seen this marking present for a file - only folders.

If you are using a folder's properties sheets to remove read only from
several files within that folder, it's not going to work. Change the
attributes on each file individually using properties sheets or switch to a
command line to accomplish the task.

The key of the matter here is that you are accessing files not folders and
that you are being blocked from manipulating them. This can be due to a
system protected file or a file protected by permissions or other security
controls.

Most often we see issues of "ownership" in the newsgroups. XP will protect
a file for it's creator/owner. To work around that, one needs to "take
ownership" of the file. Once that is done, it can be worked with again.
How To Take Ownership of a File or Folder
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308421

System files: XP will protect system files from changes. You may be denied
access or changes may appear to take place only to revert to original state
within seconds.

You just don't want to mess with this area unless you have a really good
reason. In these advanced situations, users usually know how to accomplish
the desired changes. This is why I asked you earlier for examples of files.
If you were trying to "clean up," you might have been hitting on some files
that are actively being maintained by the operating system. Various *.LOG
files is just an example of this situation. Some can be safely deleted but
a number of them should be left alone.

You mention wanting to reinstall XP. That could be where this all started.
Depending on how XP was repaired/reinstalled, the operating system may not
see your old files as yours. Instead it continues to protect them for the
"other you" (when you had your old user account). This gets resolved using
the "ownership" steps in the article referenced above. Take ownership of
the files and you regain access to them.

The last thing is "other security controls." If the files were previously
encrypted using XP or a third party tool, they need to be unencrypted
(decrypted?), before they can be accessed freely.

NOTE: For beginners or not so savvy users, I do not recommend encrypting
files with XP's EFS. If they insist, I strongly suggest practicing with
test files and folders since a single mis-step in handling the security
keys can cause great inconvenience and a loss of data.
 
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Guest

Robbie. said:
Hi all. My computer keeps tagging some files read only. I am allowed
to uncheck the read only in the attributes window but the file is
immediately retagged read only, thus unable to be erased or renamed.

The files are not OS files or operating files from programs.
Maybe the Firewall is doing it, although the same applies with it
disabled and computer off line.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

WindowsXP

Bob.
 
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Wesley Vogel

Read-only means nothing for folders. Only a file can be Read-only.

The Read-only check box for folders is there for convenience, it allows you
to change the Read-only attribute of all the files contained in that folder.

[[Apply the read-only attribute to folder contents

A folder itself cannot be made read-only. Nevertheless, the properties
dialog box for a folder does include a read-only check box. You can use
this check box to set or clear the read-only attribute for all existing
files in the selected folder. This action has no bearing on files that you
create subsequently.

In most cases, when you open the properties dialog box for a folder, the
Read-Only check box will contain a green square. This indicates either a
mixed or undetermined condition. Windows displays this green square because
it would take too long to check the state of the read-only attribute for
every file in the folder. To apply the read-only attribute to the contents
of a folder, click the check box until a check mark appears. To clear the
attribute, click the check box until it is empty. When you leave the dialog
box, Windows asks whether you want to apply your action to subfolders and
files. Be sure you select this option; if you select Apply Changes To This
Folder Only, nothing at all happens.]]
From...
Microsoft Windows XP Inside Out Deluxe, Second Edition
Author Ed Bott, Carl Siechert, Craig Stinson
http://www.microsoft.com/products/i...216cbfc3-ff30-42db-9c32-995a75dfafbe&type=ovr

HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308421

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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