Read Only Mystery

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Rene Gnam

A gray check appears in the "read only" box under
properties for certain folders on my XP Home and XP Pro
computers. So, I UNcheck it and apply it to that folder
and all subfolders.

After XP goes through its gas gauge of identifying, all
appears to be okay.

So, I close the folder. Then, when I reopen it, the gray
check mark again appears, preventing me from copying
certain files...usually *.log, *.dat, *.tmp, *.mbx, and
others...from my laptop to my desktop.

So, I repeat the UNcheck procedure and reboot. Same
problem.

Does anyone know how to solve this mystery of the
reappearing gray check mark?
 
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purplehaz

XP just marks all folders indeterminate by default. It is a tri-state check
box. Colored in is indeterminate, checked is read-only, unchecked is normal.
The folders are not read-only and should work as normal. Just ignore the
read-only box on folders. If you have a piece of software that is having
problems writing to a folder then try to get an xp
compatible version of the program. Or post the exact problems you're having.
Most likely if it is a well written app then is it not the read-only check
box, more likely a permissions setting.

Here is some info on it:

XP does this by design. In XP the read only attribute
is only used by explorer to see if the folder is a special or a system
folder. Read up on it:
For XP:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;326549
or for other win versions:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;256614

File permissions info:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q308418
 
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Rene Gnam

Thank you, purplehaz, for a very informative reply. But...

1. All that shows on the link you sent is:
Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 308418
Nothing in the article.

2. The major app in question is Eudora 6.0.0.22 which says
it's XP compatible.

3. The exact problems I'm having are:

When returning from a trip, I like to copy my Eudora files
from my XP Home laptop to my XP Pro desktop. For years,
there was no problem on Win98. But with these XP systems,
I get an "access violation" message for these file types:

PCE, DAT, LOG, TMP, MBX, LST, LOK.

All other file types in the Eudora folder copy correctly.
I have tried using Windows Explorer, Laplink Gold, and
Xcopy. All stumble.

Also, I cannot copy any PS or LOG files from laptop to
desktop. Same error.

I would greatly appreciate any further advice you can
provide.
 
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purplehaz

That article is info on file permissions. You should read the whole article
it may help.
Read the article on read-only folders as well and try the workaround they
offer.
Why is it you copy the whole folder over. If you just need to sync the
emails or transfer the emails to the other computer there must be some type
of export/import function in eudora.
How are you transfering the files? How do you have the computers networked
together?
 
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Rene Gnam

Hello again...

As my previous message said:

1. The article is blank. I tried again. All that comes up
is the title heading. No contents.

2. usually *.log, *.dat, *.tmp, *.mbx, *.pce, *.lst, *.lok

3. Because *.mbx refers to mailboxes. There are a total of
151 files in the Eudora folder and most of them fall into
the I-should-back-these-up category after they have been
accessed on the road. If you don't back them up to the
desktop on your return, then Eudora has to re-send all the
1000s of emails to the desktop because all the histories
of what's in what folder are gone without backup.

4. "I have tried using Windows Explorer, Laplink Gold, and
Xcopy. All stumble."

5. There's nothing wrong with the networking because all
the other files in Eudora copy successfully and all the
other files in other directories copy successfully.

6. Eudora tech support says it's because the "read only"
settings are wrong. THAT'S WHY I am concerned with
eliminating that check mark.

Do you know a way to eliminate that check mark so it STAYS
unchecked even after reboot?

Thank you. I appreciate you're sticking with this.
 
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purplehaz

Not sure why the article is empty for you, I'll post it here:
You Cannot View or Change the Read-Only or System Attribute of Folders
View products that this article applies to.
This article was previously published under Q326549
For a Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows NT 4.0, Windows Millennium Edition,
Windows 98, and Windows 95 version of this article, see 256614.
SYMPTOMS
You may experience any of the following symptoms:
a.. You cannot view or change the Read-only or System attributes of a
folder by using the Properties dialog box for the folder. For example, you
may experience the following symptoms:
a.. When you view the General tab of a folder's Properties dialog box,
the Read-only check box is not available, and there is no check box to
change the System attribute.
b.. You click to clear or click to select the Read-only check box on the
General tab of a folder's Properties dialog box. When you click OK or Apply,
you receive the following message:

Confirm Attribute Changes
You have chosen to make the following attribute changes:
unset read-only
Do you want to apply this change to this folder only, or do you want to
apply it to all subfolders and files as well?
If you click Apply changes to this folder only, the Read-only attribute
is changed for all the files in the folder, but the Read-only attribute is
not changed for the folder, its subfolders, or any files in its subfolders.
If you click Apply changes to this folder, subfolders, and files, the
Read-only attribute is changed for all files in the folder and all files in
the subfolders, but the Read-only attribute is not changed for the folder or
its subfolders.
b.. Some programs may display error messages when you try to save files to
a folder with the Read-only or System attribute. As a result, these programs
may not be able to save files to the folder.
CAUSE
Unlike the Read-only attribute for a file, the Read-only attribute for a
folder is typically ignored by Windows, Windows components and accessories,
and other programs. For example, you can delete, rename, and change a folder
with the Read-only attribute by using Windows Explorer. The Read-only and
System attributes is only used by Windows Explorer to determine whether the
folder is a special folder, such as a system folder that has its view
customized by Windows (for example, My Documents, Favorites, Fonts,
Downloaded Program Files), or a folder that you customized by using the
Customize tab of the folder's Properties dialog box. As a result, Windows
Explorer does not allow you to view or change the Read-only or System
attributes of folders.

Note In some previous versions of Windows, you can change the Read-only
attribute for folders by using the Properties dialog box for the folder, but
no versions of Windows permit you to change the System attribute by using
Windows Explorer.
WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, use the Attrib command at a command prompt
(Cmd.exe) to view or remove the Read-only or System attributes of folders.
Type attrib /? at the command prompt to view the syntax for the Attrib
command.

Warning If you remove the Read-only or System attribute from a folder, it
may appear as a ordinary folder and some customizations may be lost. For
example, Windows customizes the Fonts folder and provides a special folder
view that permits you to hide variations, such as bold and italic. It also
permits you to change the folder's view settings in ways that are specific
to fonts. If you remove the Read-only and System attributes of the Fonts
folder, these customized view settings are not available. For folders that
you have customized by using the Customize tab of the folder's Properties
dialog box, the folder icon and other other customizations may be lost when
you remove the Read-only attribute.

If a program cannot save files to a folder with the Read-only attribute,
such as My Documents, change the Read-only attribute to System by using the
Attrib command at a command prompt.

For example, to change the Read-only attribute to System for the C:\Test
folder, use the following command:
attrib -r +s c:\test

Note that some programs may not operate correctly with folders that have the
System attribute set. To remove both the Read-only and System attributes
from the C:\Test folder, use the following command:
attrib -r -s c:\test

STATUS
This behavior is by design.
MORE INFORMATION
Windows stores file and folder attributes in the file system with the file
and folder name, extension, date and time stamps, and other information. The
Read-only check box for folders is not available because it does not apply
to the folder. You can use this check box to set the Read-only attribute for
files in the folder. However, you cannot use Windows Explorer to determine
if a folder has the Read-only and System attributes set. To determine the
attributes that are set on a folder, or to change these attributes, you must
use the Attrib command from a command prompt.

Rene Gnam said:
Hello again...

As my previous message said:

1. The article is blank. I tried again. All that comes up
is the title heading. No contents.

2. usually *.log, *.dat, *.tmp, *.mbx, *.pce, *.lst, *.lok

3. Because *.mbx refers to mailboxes. There are a total of
151 files in the Eudora folder and most of them fall into
the I-should-back-these-up category after they have been
accessed on the road. If you don't back them up to the
desktop on your return, then Eudora has to re-send all the
1000s of emails to the desktop because all the histories
of what's in what folder are gone without backup.

4. "I have tried using Windows Explorer, Laplink Gold, and
Xcopy. All stumble."

5. There's nothing wrong with the networking because all
the other files in Eudora copy successfully and all the
other files in other directories copy successfully.

6. Eudora tech support says it's because the "read only"
settings are wrong. THAT'S WHY I am concerned with
eliminating that check mark.

Do you know a way to eliminate that check mark so it STAYS
unchecked even after reboot?

Thank you. I appreciate you're sticking with this.
<snip>
 
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Will

If you can get into dos, the Attrib command does it, but
is impossible with ntfs. I have found that if I start
from the most embedded items in a folder that is in a
folder, select all, then right click them and remove read
only, hidden, then do the folder itself then do its
parent and so on that the checks stay gone.
-----Original Message-----
Not sure why the article is empty for you, I'll post it here:
You Cannot View or Change the Read-Only or System Attribute of Folders
View products that this article applies to.
This article was previously published under Q326549
For a Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows NT 4.0, Windows Millennium Edition,
Windows 98, and Windows 95 version of this article, see 256614.
SYMPTOMS
You may experience any of the following symptoms:
a.. You cannot view or change the Read-only or System attributes of a
folder by using the Properties dialog box for the folder. For example, you
may experience the following symptoms:
a.. When you view the General tab of a folder's Properties dialog box,
the Read-only check box is not available, and there is no check box to
change the System attribute.
b.. You click to clear or click to select the Read- only check box on the
General tab of a folder's Properties dialog box. When you click OK or Apply,
you receive the following message:

Confirm Attribute Changes
You have chosen to make the following attribute changes:
unset read-only
Do you want to apply this change to this folder only, or do you want to
apply it to all subfolders and files as well?
If you click Apply changes to this folder only, the Read-only attribute
is changed for all the files in the folder, but the Read- only attribute is
not changed for the folder, its subfolders, or any files in its subfolders.
If you click Apply changes to this folder, subfolders, and files, the
Read-only attribute is changed for all files in the folder and all files in
the subfolders, but the Read-only attribute is not changed for the folder or
its subfolders.
b.. Some programs may display error messages when you try to save files to
a folder with the Read-only or System attribute. As a result, these programs
may not be able to save files to the folder.
CAUSE
Unlike the Read-only attribute for a file, the Read-only attribute for a
folder is typically ignored by Windows, Windows components and accessories,
and other programs. For example, you can delete, rename, and change a folder
with the Read-only attribute by using Windows Explorer. The Read-only and
System attributes is only used by Windows Explorer to determine whether the
folder is a special folder, such as a system folder that has its view
customized by Windows (for example, My Documents, Favorites, Fonts,
Downloaded Program Files), or a folder that you customized by using the
Customize tab of the folder's Properties dialog box. As a result, Windows
Explorer does not allow you to view or change the Read- only or System
attributes of folders.

Note In some previous versions of Windows, you can change the Read-only
attribute for folders by using the Properties dialog box for the folder, but
no versions of Windows permit you to change the System attribute by using
Windows Explorer.
WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, use the Attrib command at a command prompt
(Cmd.exe) to view or remove the Read-only or System attributes of folders.
Type attrib /? at the command prompt to view the syntax for the Attrib
command.

Warning If you remove the Read-only or System attribute from a folder, it
may appear as a ordinary folder and some customizations may be lost. For
example, Windows customizes the Fonts folder and provides a special folder
view that permits you to hide variations, such as bold and italic. It also
permits you to change the folder's view settings in ways that are specific
to fonts. If you remove the Read-only and System attributes of the Fonts
folder, these customized view settings are not available. For folders that
you have customized by using the Customize tab of the folder's Properties
dialog box, the folder icon and other other
customizations may be lost when
 
R

Rene Gnam

Thank you for the article, Purplehaz...

My original purpose in posting was to find someone more
intelligent than me in correcting idiocies like this one
that I am confronting...not in getting steered to hours of
research.

All I'm looking for is one or two sentences that tell me
how to fix the problem. That's all. I will never be a
computer guru and don't want to know more than is needed
to just simply eliminate the gray check mark in the "read
only" box.

Do you have a handle on those few sentences?

-----Original Message-----
Not sure why the article is empty for you, I'll post it here:
You Cannot View or Change the Read-Only or System Attribute of Folders
View products that this article applies to.
This article was previously published under Q326549
For a Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows NT 4.0, Windows Millennium Edition,
Windows 98, and Windows 95 version of this article, see 256614.
SYMPTOMS
You may experience any of the following symptoms:
a.. You cannot view or change the Read-only or System attributes of a
folder by using the Properties dialog box for the folder. For example, you
may experience the following symptoms:
a.. When you view the General tab of a folder's Properties dialog box,
the Read-only check box is not available, and there is no check box to
change the System attribute.
b.. You click to clear or click to select the Read- only check box on the
General tab of a folder's Properties dialog box. When you click OK or Apply,
you receive the following message:

Confirm Attribute Changes
You have chosen to make the following attribute changes:
unset read-only
Do you want to apply this change to this folder only, or do you want to
apply it to all subfolders and files as well?
If you click Apply changes to this folder only, the Read-only attribute
is changed for all the files in the folder, but the Read- only attribute is
not changed for the folder, its subfolders, or any files in its subfolders.
If you click Apply changes to this folder, subfolders, and files, the
Read-only attribute is changed for all files in the folder and all files in
the subfolders, but the Read-only attribute is not changed for the folder or
its subfolders.
b.. Some programs may display error messages when you try to save files to
a folder with the Read-only or System attribute. As a result, these programs
may not be able to save files to the folder.
CAUSE
Unlike the Read-only attribute for a file, the Read-only attribute for a
folder is typically ignored by Windows, Windows components and accessories,
and other programs. For example, you can delete, rename, and change a folder
with the Read-only attribute by using Windows Explorer. The Read-only and
System attributes is only used by Windows Explorer to determine whether the
folder is a special folder, such as a system folder that has its view
customized by Windows (for example, My Documents, Favorites, Fonts,
Downloaded Program Files), or a folder that you customized by using the
Customize tab of the folder's Properties dialog box. As a result, Windows
Explorer does not allow you to view or change the Read- only or System
attributes of folders.

Note In some previous versions of Windows, you can change the Read-only
attribute for folders by using the Properties dialog box for the folder, but
no versions of Windows permit you to change the System attribute by using
Windows Explorer.
WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, use the Attrib command at a command prompt
(Cmd.exe) to view or remove the Read-only or System attributes of folders.
Type attrib /? at the command prompt to view the syntax for the Attrib
command.

Warning If you remove the Read-only or System attribute from a folder, it
may appear as a ordinary folder and some customizations may be lost. For
example, Windows customizes the Fonts folder and provides a special folder
view that permits you to hide variations, such as bold and italic. It also
permits you to change the folder's view settings in ways that are specific
to fonts. If you remove the Read-only and System attributes of the Fonts
folder, these customized view settings are not available. For folders that
you have customized by using the Customize tab of the folder's Properties
dialog box, the folder icon and other other
customizations may be lost when
 
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purplehaz

Well it a bit more complictaed than that. That's why the article is so full
of info. You need to know what your doing when messing with attributes and
permissions or you can really mess things up. But concentrate on this part:

WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, use the Attrib command at a command prompt
(Cmd.exe) to view or remove the Read-only or System attributes of folders.
Type attrib /? at the command prompt to view the syntax for the Attrib
command.

If a program cannot save files to a folder with the Read-only attribute,
such as My Documents, change the Read-only attribute to System by using the
Attrib command at a command prompt. For example, to change the Read-only
attribute to System for the C:\Test folder, use the following command:
attrib -r +s c:\test
Note that some programs may not operate correctly with folders that have the
System attribute set. To remove both the Read-only and System attributes
from the C:\Test folder, use the following command:
attrib -r -s c:\test
 
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Rene Gnam

What a good idea! Thanks.

But, bad news...

I did it exactly as you suggested. Then after doing all
the files and folders separately, I went back into the
individual subfolders to see if the checks remained
absent. They reappeared!

Sheer idiocy. I must have a setting wrong somewhere, but
I'm not a computer guru, so I don't know where.

If you have any more thoughts, I'd love to have them.
Thanks for understanding my problem!
 
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Rene Gnam

Thank you! I was able to follow your instructions
precisely.

I did: attrib -r +s c:\Eudora6
on both the laptop and desktop
and then used Windows Explorer to copy from laptop to
desktop
and once again got Access Denied on many files.

So, I then tried it with an old favorite DOS command,
XCOPY, from the run/command access...and encountered the
same woes.

I'd include a bmp here, but screen shots apparently can't
be inserted (or I don't know the proper procedure).

Anyway, I do appreciate your efforts, PurpleHaz. Attrib
isn't doing it, as Will predicted in his post, but I
tried. His idea didn't work either. It's a real mystery. I
must have some important overall setting wrong somewhere,
but I don't know where.
 
R

Rene Gnam

Thanks. I tried Eudora support. They told me I have to get
rid of that vexing check mark in the "read only" box.

Enjoy your weekend...and thank you for sticking with me
this long.
 

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