Reactivation

[kurttrail]

It doesn't turn anyone into anything. If you abide by the EULA and
purchase valid licenses there are not problems.

Tell that to all the people who have gotten Activation and Validation
problems through no fault of their own.

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[Alias]

It doesn't turn anyone into anything. If you abide by the EULA and
purchase valid licenses there are not problems.

Bullcrap. Many people have posted problems with activation. Many more will
post with problems of validation. No crackers or people who use cracked XPs
will post because they won't have any problems, only the PAYING customer
will. Software, by nature, is not perfect, including the activation and
validation insults to one's intelligence schemes that assume that PAYING
customers are thieves until activated or validated otherwise.

Soooo, the paying public has to jump through hoops and the crackers and
users of cracked XPs don't and you tell me that after a bad eXPerience with
activation, that cracked copies might not look good to an otherwise honest
person? Are you for real?

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Bullcrap. Many people have posted problems with activation. Many more will
post with problems of validation. No crackers or people who use cracked XPs

The problems with Activation as mostly due to bad keys or bad installs. I
have not see a valid activation problem on properly installed systems
where the EULA was not violated.

will post because they won't have any problems, only the PAYING customer
will. Software, by nature, is not perfect, including the activation and
validation insults to one's intelligence schemes that assume that PAYING
customers are thieves until activated or validated otherwise.

I purchase hundreds of MS licenses per year and I'm not insulted by it. I
don't actually know anyone except for pirates that's insulted by it.

Soooo, the paying public has to jump through hoops and the crackers and
users of cracked XPs don't and you tell me that after a bad eXPerience
with activation, that cracked copies might not look good to an otherwise
honest person? Are you for real?

I've never talked to anyone with a legit copy that's had ANY problem
activating any MS product. I've also never seen an honest person following
the EULA complaining about it. What I do see is a bunch of whiners that
don't want to pay for what they use doing a lot of whining and trying to
make honest users feel like they are being screwed - and it's just not
true.

 

[Alias]

The problems with Activation as mostly due to bad keys or bad installs. I
have not see a valid activation problem on properly installed systems
where the EULA was not violated.


I purchase hundreds of MS licenses per year and I'm not insulted by it. I
don't actually know anyone except for pirates that's insulted by it.


I've never talked to anyone with a legit copy that's had ANY problem
activating any MS product. I've also never seen an honest person following
the EULA complaining about it. What I do see is a bunch of whiners that
don't want to pay for what they use doing a lot of whining and trying to
make honest users feel like they are being screwed - and it's just not
true.

I see. So you believe that activation and validation are perfect programs
that can cause no problems. Why the hell can't MS make any other perfect
programs??? And, you have not done "hundreds of validations" as that isn't
even in force yet or are you a seer that can see your own validation future?
You are replying to an honest person (me) that has paid a lot of money for
legal programs on three different computers and I am complaining about it.
For some reason, it bothers me to have to prove I paid good money for
something. Does that, in your eyes, make me a thief and, if so, please
explain. This should be good. I'm all ears.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

I see. So you believe that activation and validation are perfect programs
that can cause no problems. Why the hell can't MS make any other perfect
programs???

Actually, since I've not even touched the Validation, since it's a beta, I
can't speak for it, but no one really expects a beta product to work for
everyone, heck, other companies have terrible histories with BETA
software, it's not just a MS thing.

As for Activation, it's worked perfectly on more than 1000 computers that
I personally know of, and none of the individuals I know have had any
problem with it - even where they have no internet access the phone
activation has worked perfectly.

And, you have not done "hundreds of validations" as that isn't
even in force yet or are you a seer that can see your own validation future?
You are replying to an honest person (me) that has paid a lot of money for
legal programs on three different computers and I am complaining about it.

But I can't count you because you complain about everything related to MS
and without valid reasons in my opinion. Heck, you even think that MS
using Activation and Validates means they think you're a thief - and I've
not see any indication that they think that at all.

For some reason, it bothers me to have to prove I paid good money for
something. Does that, in your eyes, make me a thief and, if so, please
explain. This should be good. I'm all ears.

The product as an Activation and soon to have a Validation methods, you
don't have to use Activation once you've activated and you don't have to
participate in Validation either, not at all, it's optional. As I see it,
you don't even HAVE to use Windows products. If you don't like that the
company is using Activation and Validation to control theft and piracy
then you can choose another vendors products, but MS's choice to use
Activation and Validation in no way indicates that they think you are a
thief - in they care enough about the product to try and protect it from
thieves and pirates and that enables them to continue to produce more
products.

Again, once it's activated you don't have to prove anything, you could
disconnect from the Internet and continue to run the system isolated from
the world without ever contacting MS again, there's is nothing forcing you
to install anything else that MS provides, including service packs,
updates, security updates, etc...

 

[kurttrail]

Actually, since I've not even touched the Validation, since it's a
beta, I can't speak for it, but no one really expects a beta product
to work for everyone, heck, other companies have terrible histories
with BETA software, it's not just a MS thing.

As for Activation, it's worked perfectly on more than 1000 computers
that I personally know of, and none of the individuals I know have
had any problem with it - even where they have no internet access the
phone activation has worked perfectly.


But I can't count you because you complain about everything related
to MS and without valid reasons in my opinion. Heck, you even think
that MS using Activation and Validates means they think you're a
thief - and I've not see any indication that they think that at all.


The product as an Activation and soon to have a Validation methods,
you don't have to use Activation once you've activated and you don't
have to participate in Validation either, not at all, it's optional.
As I see it, you don't even HAVE to use Windows products. If you
don't like that the company is using Activation and Validation to
control theft and piracy then you can choose another vendors
products, but MS's choice to use Activation and Validation in no way
indicates that they think you are a thief - in they care enough about
the product to try and protect it from thieves and pirates and that
enables them to continue to produce more products.

Again, once it's activated you don't have to prove anything, you could
disconnect from the Internet and continue to run the system isolated
from the world without ever contacting MS again, there's is nothing
forcing you to install anything else that MS provides, including
service packs, updates, security updates, etc...

Except for all those that have problems with it. You always forget
about them. Your fellow human beings who you don't care a fig for! All
you care about is MS, and you are a traitor to the Human race!

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[.]

This should be good. I'm all ears.

Forget it Alias. it still thinks that activation keeps people from
pirating the software. It still doesn't have a clue that
hacked/cracked versions of the software out there now don't even
require a fake key much less activation. It still doesn't understand
that the only people having to activate it are the honest owners of
the software. It still doesn't understand that honest owners of the
software that are hobbyists and tinkerers have to keep activating each
and every time they change a component out in the computer that they
paid for, running the software they paid for. It keeps reading its
same tired old reasoning for its rabid support of activation schemes
off its M$ supplied cue cards.

Read My Lips.... Pirated copies of XP do not need to be ACTIVATED so
any M$ clone with two brain cell to bang together should be able to
reason beyond what is written on their M$ supplied cue cards that only
the honest owners of the software are forced to activate, WHICH....
means that activation does not stop or curb piracy, only puts the
honest owners through more stupid hoops.

 

[Leythos]

Read My Lips.... Pirated copies of XP do not need to be ACTIVATED so
any M$ clone with two brain cell to bang together should be able to

Many pirated copies do require activation, read that.

reason beyond what is written on their M$ supplied cue cards that only
the honest owners of the software are forced to activate, WHICH....
means that activation does not stop or curb piracy, only puts the
honest owners through more stupid hoops.

Activation does stop pirates, it stops ones to stupid or unwilling to find
the totally cracked versions that may have malware installed by the
pirates that cracked them.

 

[health_wellness]

You have to remember that this character is trained to NOT answer your
questions but try to create new questions, diverting attention away
from the real subject of the topic and facts brought up as:

1. Only Paying people have to activate XP
2. Thieves do not have to activate their hacked copies of XP
3. Activation does not keep thieves from using the software because of
#2 above.
4. Mindless Microsoft Robots try to divert attention away from #1,2 & 3
above by changing the subject.
5. #4 only works on sheep which are immediately recruited by Microsoft
to in turn participate in #4 above.

Question for Mindless Microsoft Robot: How does activation keep a
thief from using a copy of XP that has the activation part of it
disabled? DUH!

 

[health_wellness]

Many pirated copies do require activation, read that.

Not any more Mr. Out Of Touch. They got by that over a year ago. Any
idiot, except you probably, can find a nonactivation required copy
within a few minutes of searching the hack sites.

Activation does stop pirates

Prepared reply by Microsoft Robot, right? And matches do stop fires.
You really are the idiot they say you are, you know? "Activation does
stop pirates" Only a lame microsoft robot void of any personal thought
could come up with that one.... Thanks for confirming what we already
knew about you.

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be
archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days

Don't blame you... if I posted the mindless drivel you do, I'd want it
deleted in a few days also so the fewer people that read it the safer
my cover would be.

Infamous Microsoft Robot Quote: "Activation does stop pirates"

Brilliant!

 

[kurttrail]

Many pirated copies do require activation, read that.

Not where the majority of pirated OS are, in Asia.

Activation does stop pirates, it stops ones to stupid or unwilling to
find the totally cracked versions that may have malware installed by
the pirates that cracked them.

Activation does NOTHING to stop REAL piracy. Disagreeing with MS
unsubtantiated EULA claims is not piracy!

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[slartyb]

You did not as some claim buy the software. You bought a right to use
it on one single machine at any time. And with the spread of multiple
machines in the home, all at that time being ones to be upgraded,
Microsoft had to protect this position by some means. I even heard of a
*Law* firm with some 15 machines, and only only licensed copy of any
software between them The Activation system is there to draw attention.

You can reinstall on the same or 'substantially the same' hardware as
many times as you like with at most a 30 second Internet activation for
which you have 30 days.

The biggest problem i have had when activating over the phone is
trying to understand what the hell the asian person at the other end
is saying, every time i activated this way i get somebody in asia...
what happened to real english speaking call centres??

SPEAK ENGLISH!!


Or freely the same way after 120 days since

 

[Alias]

Many pirated copies do require activation, read that.

Not any more.

Activation does stop pirates, it stops ones to stupid or unwilling to find
the totally cracked versions that may have malware installed by the
pirates that cracked them.

No it doesn't. It only inconveniences honest, paying customers. I change my
NIC, gotta activate and probably have to make a call (not free in Spain,
btw). Upgrade my motherboard, gotta call. Reinstall my XP, gotta activate.
Why should I have to pay for a call to MS to activate a legal copy of XP
while those who steal the software/licence don't??? Why should I have to
"report" to MS when I upgrade my computer???

Fact: activation only affects honest, paying customers.

Fact: activation does NOT affect users of cracked XPs.

Fact: that is very bad PR for MS and forced validation will only make it
worse.

Look what it has done to this news group!

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Not any more Mr. Out Of Touch. They got by that over a year ago. Any
idiot, except you probably, can find a nonactivation required copy
within a few minutes of searching the hack sites.

Yea, you seem to be out of touch too. I've seen people using key-gens in
the last 6 months to activate, so you gonna deny that happens today?

Prepared reply by Microsoft Robot, right? And matches do stop fires.
You really are the idiot they say you are, you know? "Activation does
stop pirates" Only a lame microsoft robot void of any personal thought
could come up with that one.... Thanks for confirming what we already
knew about you.

You seem to not understand that there are many levels of Pirates,
commercial units that pirate thousands and then small home users that just
pirate one copy - understand it now.

Don't blame you... if I posted the mindless drivel you do, I'd want it
deleted in a few days also so the fewer people that read it the safer
my cover would be.

Seems to me you have a very narrow scope on Usenet. XNA has been around
for decades and does not have to be honored by Usenet archives. Some
choose to archive some choose to honor XNA, but I wouldn't expect you to
really understand that based on your other skills being shown here.

Infamous Microsoft Robot Quote: "Activation does stop pirates"

Funny, I'm running a Linux box and using PAN when reading/using Usenet,
check the headers, and you think I'm a MS Robot. You really don't know
much about anything if you really think that.

 

[Leythos]

Not any more.

As stated in another reply, Activation key gens are still used today.
There are many levels of Piracy and many of them still require Activation.

No it doesn't. It only inconveniences honest, paying customers. I change my
NIC, gotta activate and probably have to make a call (not free in Spain,

Funny, I changed my NIC and Video card in a OEM PC and it didn't ask me to
reactivate.

btw). Upgrade my motherboard, gotta call. Reinstall my XP, gotta

MS Clearly states the Motherboard is considered the computer and changing
it will require reactivation. A combination of other changes can also
require reactivation.

activate. Why should I have to pay for a call to MS to activate a legal
copy of XP while those who steal the software/licence don't??? Why
should I have to "report" to MS when I upgrade my computer???

Because it's in the EULA and if you don't like it you don't have to use
it. What part of that don't you seem to EVER understand?

Fact: activation only affects honest, paying customers.

It doesn't affect honest customers, it's used by honest customers.

Fact: activation does NOT affect users of cracked XPs.

Yes it does, there are still many pirated copies of XP that are running on
generated keys.

Fact: that is very bad PR for MS and forced validation will only make it
worse.

I don't see a single valid complaint about it from anyone. What I see is a
bunch of whiners complaining about it, but not any valid complaints.

Look what it has done to this news group!

I've read this group for a long time and aside from the posts by trolls
and whiners and the conspiracy morons it's not done anything. If you got
rid of the above types there would be nothing left except people posting
real problems and real solutions.

 

[Alias]

Yea, you seem to be out of touch too. I've seen people using key-gens in
the last 6 months to activate, so you gonna deny that happens today?

We weren't talking about wannabe crackers but crackers.

You seem to not understand that there are many levels of Pirates,
commercial units that pirate thousands and then small home users that just
pirate one copy - understand it now.

We weren't talking about wannabe crackers but crackers.

Seems to me you have a very narrow scope on Usenet. XNA has been around
for decades and does not have to be honored by Usenet archives. Some
choose to archive some choose to honor XNA, but I wouldn't expect you to
really understand that based on your other skills being shown here.


Funny, I'm running a Linux box and using PAN when reading/using Usenet,
check the headers, and you think I'm a MS Robot. You really don't know
much about anything if you really think that.

We know you like to brag about your Linux box. You're still a microbot and a
shill who uses straw man arguments when up against the wall.

How many babies did you kill in Viet Nam, warmonger?

Alias

 

[Alias]

As stated in another reply, Activation key gens are still used today.
There are many levels of Piracy and many of them still require Activation.


Funny, I changed my NIC and Video card in a OEM PC and it didn't ask me to
reactivate.


MS Clearly states the Motherboard is considered the computer and changing
it will require reactivation. A combination of other changes can also
require reactivation.


Because it's in the EULA and if you don't like it you don't have to use
it. What part of that don't you seem to EVER understand?


It doesn't affect honest customers, it's used by honest customers.


Yes it does, there are still many pirated copies of XP that are running on
generated keys.


I don't see a single valid complaint about it from anyone. What I see is a
bunch of whiners complaining about it, but not any valid complaints.


I've read this group for a long time and aside from the posts by trolls
and whiners and the conspiracy morons it's not done anything. If you got
rid of the above types there would be nothing left except people posting
real problems and real solutions.

Debating you is a waste of my precious time. You only spout the MS party
line and believe that killing innocents civilians is "fighting for freedom".


<<<Plonk>>>

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Debating you is a waste of my precious time. You only spout the MS party
line and believe that killing innocents civilians is "fighting for freedom".

So when you can't win because your don't have facts to support your case,
you resort to name calling and plonking? Sure looks like you've proved you
were wrong about it. Kind of funny how trolls, when faced with
overwhelming factual information about their mistake will always try to
change the direction of the thread and then when it doesn't work they will
resort to name calling, and then they give up.

 

[kurttrail]

As stated in another reply, Activation key gens are still used today.
There are many levels of Piracy and many of them still require
Activation.

LOL! One of your many levels of piracy ar people that install their
legally purchased copy of software on more than one computer.

And yet NO ONE has ever been charged with, let alone found guilty of
PIRACY or THEFT for doing it.

Who really cares about some idiot like you thinks!

Funny, I changed my NIC and Video card in a OEM PC and it didn't ask
me to reactivate.

Was that in your Linux box, or maybe your W03 box? Which of the
thousands of computers you are always mentioning did you change two
hardware components on?

What about all the people that have reported having a different
eXPerience than you, where changing drivers or flashing the BIOS or
changing just one component trigger activation?

Don't they count or do you believe that just because you "changed my NIC
and Video card in a OEM PC and it didn't ask me to reactivate" that that
makes the liars?

MS Clearly states the Motherboard is considered the computer and
changing it will require reactivation. A combination of other changes
can also require reactivation.

Liar. "MS Clearly states the Motherboard is considered the computer and
changing it will require reactivation."

Let see you quote wher MS clearly states exactly that!

Because it's in the EULA and if you don't like it you don't have to
use it. What part of that don't you seem to EVER understand?

The EULA is NOT a law unto itself.

It doesn't affect honest customers, it's used by honest customers.

It affects honest customers every effin' day! Go back and read this
group, and see all the people with activation errors and problems of all
sorts, or do you believe that they are all pirates?

Below is an incomplete list of error codes that have accompanied various
different license check errors.


0x80090006 - http://snipurl.com/990a


0x80070002 - http://snipurl.com/990d


0x80004005 - http://snipurl.com/990e


0X800700C1 - http://snipurl.com/990g


0x8007007e - http://snipurl.com/990i


0x80070003 - http://snipurl.com/990m


0x80090019 - http://snipurl.com/990o


0x8007007f - http://snipurl.com/990t

Yes it does, there are still many pirated copies of XP that are
running on generated keys.

And keygened installations are usually used with VL version of XP, that
don't require activation.

I don't see a single valid complaint about it from anyone.

LOL! You should have said that you are unwilling and incapable of
seeing "a single valid complaint about it from anyone." That would have
been a much closer reflection of reality.

What I see
is a bunch of whiners complaining about it, but not any valid
complaints.


I've read this group for a long time and aside from the posts by
trolls and whiners and the conspiracy morons it's not done anything.
If you got rid of the above types there would be nothing left except
people posting real problems and real solutions.

Then stop replying to those posts you consider to be from trolls and
whiners and the conspiracy morons, because you are the biggest lunatic
in this group today. You have shown better than I ever could, how
unreasonable people, like you, that willingly accept and conform to MS's
PA intrusions into our homes, really have to be!

Thank you!

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[kurttrail]

So when you can't win because your don't have facts to support your
case, you resort to name calling and plonking? Sure looks like you've
proved you were wrong about it. Kind of funny how trolls, when faced
with overwhelming factual information about their mistake will always
try to change the direction of the thread and then when it doesn't
work they will resort to name calling, and then they give up.

I have disputed just about everything you said in this thread. Kinda
funny how trolls use lies about providing fact, instead of being able to
tell the truth that you are just stating an opinion that isn't supported
by any facts, and when you are faced with being exposed to reality, you
just ignore it and hope it goes away.

You have clearly demonstrated that you are the troll around these parts.
I don't usually agree with plonking anybody, but Alias really doesn't
need to waste his time arguing with the likes of you! You are totally
irrational.

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