rc-1 found on some torrent site plus small rant

[Guest]

I was looking through the latest torrent list on a torrent site and found a
torrent for both versions of vista rc-1 x86 x64.
I find it odd that rc-1 has already made it to the torrent sites.

Not that I condone theft of software etc...
Hey if I worked hard to make something like xp or vista I would want to get
paid for it to. Not that I would download it ether, with my luck it has been
renamed and is full of viruses...lol

I'll wait until I recieve the e-mail telling me of where to download it from
microsoft for my copy "if they bother sending it"

I just find it odd that those of us that spent months testing and fileing
bug reports on the beta 2 release got basiclly told to "shove off" by MS on
the later builds of vista. Now I see that a pre-rc-1 was released to a select
few to test, what gives?Heck I've been jerking around with 5384 for months
now, and now vista is to version 5600-16384 x86. If that isn't the shove off
what is?

 

[Tom Ziegmann]

Please report the torrent site to (e-mail address removed)

 

[Guest]

What happens is.. a subscriber from (in this case) technet, uploads it to
servers; then in turn seeds the torrent file to search engines. So in that
respect, it isn't odd. It is downright, illegal though. And unless MS gets
the ball rolling, their software will be pirated by people like the one who
created the torrent, for awhile.

 

[Richard Urban]

It's still unusable without an install key.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Tom Ziegmann]

RC1 is not available to TechNet and MSDN users yet. It has to be one of the
TechBeta testers.

 

[Paula]

It is still usable for 14 days without a key and if they were savvy enough
to get an illegal download, I'll betcha they can get an illegal key!
CREEPS!
Paula

 

[Little Brother]

Torrenting software is not theft, but it is a copyright offence .. and an
offence against those who created the software. Microsoft is not loosing any
money neither, as RC1 is being given away. But torrenting interferes with
Microsoft's project which is sort of rude.

 

[Guest]

I've already reported it to ms about the torrent.
Yes it is copywrited software, free or not it ms looks at it as if it was
stolen. As an example one of the techinical feeds I get reported two months
ago that MS brought charges against almost 50 people for the selling of
ilegeal copies of the windows o/s from 98se to xp professional. These arrests
where from something like nine diferent states. Trust me MS will more than
likely track down who uploaded the torrent and if that person is a (technet
or msdn subscriber) they will be losing their subscription fee and more than
likelly being brought up on charges for breaking the EULA and be lucky not to
get some jail time or a fine.
And to back up my statement I worked some years ago for a company and had to
sign a bunch of papers agreeing not to talk about what I did there or even
the software I used for 5 years after I left. If I was to talk about it I
could go to jail for up to five years for breaking the agreements I signed.
Companies like Mircosoft don't play around when it comes to copywrite
infringment or software theft.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

It does not require a new key, so anyone who has gotten a pk from recent
beta 2 builds can use it.

 

[Intel Inside]

"It has to be one of the TechBeta testers."
.... and to think they are such a reputable bunch ...

 

[Intel Inside]

"... and had to sign a bunch of papers agreeing not to talk about what I did
there or even the software I used for 5 years after I left."
You've spoken about it now - BUSTED
lol

 

[Guest]

No, actually I didn't reveal anything, I didn't say "what software I used or
what I did there" only that I still can't tell anyone about it...lol

 

[Intel Inside]

Yes I know.
I was just having a bit of 'tongue in cheek' fun.

 

[Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 \(5384\), OPP2007B2]

Can we call you Kevin Jr.

Yes I know.
I was just having a bit of 'tongue in cheek' fun.

 

[Little Brother]

Downloading from a torrent isn't theft .. it's a copyright violation, IMO
and IANAL. Copying doesn't take anything; as a matter of fact it adds ..
creates something that was not there before. But it is an offence, I agree
with that. Microsoft created the software - it's their copyright. To torrent
is to commit a copyright offence, regardless of whether there's money
involved. And because Microsoft is working on a project here, to torrent is
to interfere .. which is another offence [interfering] ; and, besides, it's
an offence because it is just plain downright rude.

 

[Intel Inside]

There is only one.

Can we call you Kevin Jr.

 

[Chad Harris]

MSFT can't and won't do a thing about the Torrent sites. They don't fit
the legal definition of piracy with this Beta. The only Torrent lol they
stopped was Chris Perillo smart enough to help with the Beta 2 download by
setting up one. About the same day Chris met with Jim Allchin and was asked
to send his critiques of Vista to Jim and Chris gave him an earful.

You can jump and down and boogie that email alias all you want. MSFT
doesn't consider them abuse--they consider them marketing for them along
with Wegner Edstrom and McCann Ericson world wide.

Interesting concept though Tom that the company who

1) hired Ralph Reed who helped lobby for inhuman treatment of women in the
Marianna Islands including wage abuses and phyiscal abuses would have lol to
the 64th an abuse alias. The torrents aren't abuse to the softies. They're
marketing. So are the CPPs that deny access to Connect bugs.

Ralph Reed MSFT $27,000 per month lobbyist and the Mariana Islands with Jack
Abramoff aka "Ralph and Jack do Mariana K Street Style"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ult&cd=1&q=ralph+reed+mariana+islands&spell=1


Microsoft Defends Ralph Reed before the heat in Steve Ballmer's Kitchen
finally fires him
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=seattle+pi+microsoft+ralph+reed&btnG=Search

2) whose Chief Software architect and Chairman had dinner with a dictator
Hu Jintrao who is killing and torturing people who exercise basic freedoms
by surfing the web at his house, and imprisoning New York Times reporters
with fabricated charges right out of the Cold War. When MSN and Google turn
over searches to the Chinese government they seal the fate of Chinese
students and other individuals who choose to surf like you do.

I'd call the resulting deaths, torture, and swift imprisonment including the
threats to the individuals' families abuse with a capital "A." Gates is
bright enough to read the a lot of newspapers and get the feeds and he does.
He knows what's happening there.

It's in direct diametric contrast to what is happening as a result of the
humanitarian endeavors of the Gates Foundation.

Bill Gates Chows down with Dictator Hu Jintao for a 1.5 billion dollar sale
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bill+gates+dinner+with+china's+president

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

Wolf--

1) Vista is a beta as you know. And a beta that is a helluv an unfinished
work in progress., that is not about to be finished in a month and a half
when it first RTMs no matter how many parties and dancing up and down when
those choppers take off. And a beta where many ambitious projects were just
dropped that will never see the light of day. As far as I know, MSFT is
not charging for this Vista beta--other than to get a mailing fee for the
DVD for CPP releases (they also have to pay their Seattle packager and
distributer).

2) It's a beta that has been distributed to the public in some "milestone"
builds to the public. It doesn't fit any legal definition of piracy in the
country where Seattle is, that Nancy Anderson Associate General Counsel of
MSFT, who is charged with piracy litigation will be pursuing, and MSFT
couldn't be happier that it's being pushed out by other means.

Their attitude is "just spell our name right" whatever you call our OS.
They want that puppy in every chicken pot hoping it will spur sales.

Windows Vista--So Close and Yet So Far
By Jason Cross

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2010632,00.asp

You should be protected by the appropriate software and hdw NAT firewalls
and Anti-virus program as far as downloads "full of viruses". Files can be
scanned before you execute and install them.

"I just find it odd that those of us that spent months testing and fileing
bug reports on the beta 2 release got basiclly told to "shove off" by MS on
the later builds of vista."

It's not odd and it's not serendipidy. While there may be unparalleled
talent and some imagination at Redmond they have a corner on the market in
arrogance. They could not care less about feedback from the public. They
can't even metabolize Beta bugs properly and I could show you furious posts
about bugs ignored and marked as fixed or "by design" when they aren't fixed
or the design is beyond belief in some cases.

It is obvious that by restricting your access to bug information on Connect
MSFT has complete contempt for you. The only thing they don't have contempt
for is in your wallet and it's green. They want that. See
www.longhornblogs.com on the eggregious pricing policy that will hit a
family of 4-5 or a small office.

1) Walling off their Beta chats as secret (although almost all have been
posted on the web but not in a central location by MSFT because that would
smack too much of education on a site)--but by some of the community
liasons on the Vista teams on the Redmond campus. Those sites are not well
known and Suzy Desktop PTA and Nascar Daddy ain't visting them.

All of them should be on the Vista site period and in a prominet place.
MSFT has thousands of people who work in the realm of education and seems
not to have a clue about how to disseminate information and convey it for
education of the public nearly a month and a half before they internally RTM
the thing.

2) Walling off every Beta Live Meeting that would educate the public for a
number close to 120-200 max participants on the planet who show up. Live
Meetings aren't reproduced or archived which is nothing less than stupid.

3) It is shove off, but leave your money in their pockets. They need toys
and they demanded in negotiations for Halo the Movie that the softies get a
luxury jet to the premier. Arrogance loves glitz and materialism to an
exponential degree. They need toys and they want your money to finance
them.

UAC execution is tin ear and it's another form of shove off.

The Upgrade Advisor is patently false--another form of shove off and
intentional intimidation. It lies to people about what will work and work
very very well on Vista. Their numbering system on hardware is a byzantine,
bizarre, worthless joke.

Device Manager has never, and won't in Vista tell you whether a driver is
corrupt or not. It says it does, and it lies. The stork didn't bring
device manager--a team or three did.

The hardware wizards in Vista and the update driver mechanism from Device
Manager do a poor job of finding drivers and while it's relatively easy a
lot of people won't realize they need to browse to driver files by path to
get many drivers installed in Vista.

Many software drivers' programs require Driver Verifier to have deadlock
detection turned off and the inspections of an Antivirus programs' drivers
to be turned off to avoid BSOD stops that increase exponentially even in the
face of a successful Startup Repair.

"Duo Core/4 on the Floor GHz and GB of Ram" in their little laptops of
course.

My advice to you if you think you have a "top of the line system" is to try
Vista on it. You will be able to get RC1 very soon using the MSFT Akami
server for fast download. Also there are very savy hardware users on this
group who know some of the upper and lower limits of Vista because they've
tested at both ends and if you ask about any hdw profile or particular hdw,
they'll be glad to tell you their experience.

I have a lot of screenshots on people's boxes full of trash and false
statements from the Upgrade Advisor where I've put Vista on the box, and any
problems aren't due to the intrinsic hdw profile.

CH

 

[Chris Sidener]

So why does my RC1 work perfectly?

Wolf--

1) Vista is a beta as you know. And a beta that is a helluv an
unfinished work in progress., that is not about to be finished in a month
and a half when it first RTMs no matter how many parties and dancing up
and down when those choppers take off. And a beta where many ambitious
projects were just dropped that will never see the light of day. As far
as I know, MSFT is not charging for this Vista beta--other than to get a
mailing fee for the DVD for CPP releases (they also have to pay their
Seattle packager and distributer).

2) It's a beta that has been distributed to the public in some "milestone"
builds to the public. It doesn't fit any legal definition of piracy in
the country where Seattle is, that Nancy Anderson Associate General
Counsel of MSFT, who is charged with piracy litigation will be pursuing,
and MSFT couldn't be happier that it's being pushed out by other means.

Their attitude is "just spell our name right" whatever you call our OS.
They want that puppy in every chicken pot hoping it will spur sales.

Windows Vista--So Close and Yet So Far
By Jason Cross

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2010632,00.asp

You should be protected by the appropriate software and hdw NAT firewalls
and Anti-virus program as far as downloads "full of viruses". Files can
be scanned before you execute and install them.

"I just find it odd that those of us that spent months testing and fileing
bug reports on the beta 2 release got basiclly told to "shove off" by MS
on
the later builds of vista."

It's not odd and it's not serendipidy. While there may be unparalleled
talent and some imagination at Redmond they have a corner on the market in
arrogance. They could not care less about feedback from the public. They
can't even metabolize Beta bugs properly and I could show you furious
posts about bugs ignored and marked as fixed or "by design" when they
aren't fixed or the design is beyond belief in some cases.

It is obvious that by restricting your access to bug information on
Connect MSFT has complete contempt for you. The only thing they don't have
contempt for is in your wallet and it's green. They want that. See
www.longhornblogs.com on the eggregious pricing policy that will hit a
family of 4-5 or a small office.

1) Walling off their Beta chats as secret (although almost all have been
posted on the web but not in a central location by MSFT because that would
smack too much of education on a site)--but by some of the community
liasons on the Vista teams on the Redmond campus. Those sites are not
well known and Suzy Desktop PTA and Nascar Daddy ain't visting them.

All of them should be on the Vista site period and in a prominet place.
MSFT has thousands of people who work in the realm of education and seems
not to have a clue about how to disseminate information and convey it for
education of the public nearly a month and a half before they internally
RTM the thing.

2) Walling off every Beta Live Meeting that would educate the public for a
number close to 120-200 max participants on the planet who show up. Live
Meetings aren't reproduced or archived which is nothing less than stupid.

3) It is shove off, but leave your money in their pockets. They need toys
and they demanded in negotiations for Halo the Movie that the softies get
a luxury jet to the premier. Arrogance loves glitz and materialism to an
exponential degree. They need toys and they want your money to finance
them.

UAC execution is tin ear and it's another form of shove off.

The Upgrade Advisor is patently false--another form of shove off and
intentional intimidation. It lies to people about what will work and work
very very well on Vista. Their numbering system on hardware is a
byzantine, bizarre, worthless joke.

Device Manager has never, and won't in Vista tell you whether a driver is
corrupt or not. It says it does, and it lies. The stork didn't bring
device manager--a team or three did.

The hardware wizards in Vista and the update driver mechanism from Device
Manager do a poor job of finding drivers and while it's relatively easy a
lot of people won't realize they need to browse to driver files by path to
get many drivers installed in Vista.

Many software drivers' programs require Driver Verifier to have deadlock
detection turned off and the inspections of an Antivirus programs' drivers
to be turned off to avoid BSOD stops that increase exponentially even in
the face of a successful Startup Repair.

"Duo Core/4 on the Floor GHz and GB of Ram" in their little laptops of
course.

My advice to you if you think you have a "top of the line system" is to
try Vista on it. You will be able to get RC1 very soon using the MSFT
Akami server for fast download. Also there are very savy hardware users
on this group who know some of the upper and lower limits of Vista because
they've tested at both ends and if you ask about any hdw profile or
particular hdw, they'll be glad to tell you their experience.

I have a lot of screenshots on people's boxes full of trash and false
statements from the Upgrade Advisor where I've put Vista on the box, and
any problems aren't due to the intrinsic hdw profile.

CH

 

[John Jay Smith]

You are ignorant of the power of the advancement of technology and the true
potential of
torrent and the impact that it could have on our world.

I foresee soon enough that like many Linux distributions, Microsoft itself
will use torrent.
As the internet grows and downloads get bigger, torrent is the ONLY solution
now available for
mass downloads of this magnitude.... remember china is only now awakening
from its long
sleep.... What if the internet grows to a few BILLION more users? No
Microsoft server will
be able to handle it. If you knew more about torrent, then you would
understand that with torrent the exact
opposite happens when many downloaders exist.

While with conventional servers, when you have many people trying to
download the same file,
the servers strain and may crash, with Torrent, the more users that are
sharing-downloading the file
the BETTER.

People who think of torrent as just another P2P network for piracy are
totally mistaken....
and I would gladly slap them on the face for their ignorance.

This technology has the potential to spread knowledge and educate the world
like nothing else before.
It could, if used wisely, transform the world into to a better place since
knowledge and understanding,
are liberators of the human spirit.