Questions about Canon IP5000

[Hg]

After 21 years(!) of owning a home computer I've finally taken the plunge
and just bought my very first printer, a highly recommended IP5000.
Got a couple of questions about inks and ink usage. To reduce the cost of
ink I'm gonna try compatible cartridges when my Canon ones run empty. Anyone
had any problems with compats? I'm not really worried about slightly lower
quality output that I may get with cheaper inks, but I am worried about
damaging the printer inkjet heads in any way.
Also, I've read that the 1 picolitre inkjet drop size is only available with
the highest quality settings? So therefore I assume that any of the other
settings use 2 picolitre drop sizes? Also which drop size has the most
efficient ink usage? Or does the ink usage remain the same whatever size
drops are used?
Finally, does the drop size have any bearing on duplex use? Reason why I'm
asking is after testing some duplex graded high res paper, I still see the
black parts of an image on the reverse page. So far I've tried 90 g/m2
duplex paper and I should be testing some higher quality and more expensive
100g/m2 duplex paper soon. Would using 1 picolitre res printing reduce the
visibility of blacks on the flip side?

TIA

 

[Taliesyn]

After 21 years(!) of owning a home computer I've finally taken the plunge
and just bought my very first printer, a highly recommended IP5000.
Got a couple of questions about inks and ink usage. To reduce the cost of
ink I'm gonna try compatible cartridges when my Canon ones run empty. Anyone
had any problems with compats?

For my iP5000 I use bulk ink from Atlantic Inkjet for the Black BCI-3e
and compatible cartridges (filled with US ink made by Formulabs) for the
4 BCI-6 carts. My other printer, an i860 uses only bulk currently. Both
are performing perfectly. Using bulk inks your cost will be about $5 to
refill all 5 cartridges. Compatibles will be a little more. Those filled
with the Formulabs ink can be found on eBay.

I'm not really worried about slightly lower quality output that I may
get with cheaper inks, but I am worried about damaging the printer inkjet
heads in any way.

Clogging is the least of my concerns. Printhead burnout seems to be a
far bigger issue, from the posts I've read here. One recommendation is
to give the printhead a rest during long print runs, especially at the
highest resolution. I neglected to do this on an earlier model and
suffered the consequences. Had to buy a new printhead on eBay, about
$55 US.

Also, I've read that the 1 picolitre inkjet drop size is only available with
the highest quality settings?

Yeah, I would agree. I'm not sure at what point it prints 1 pl. But you
will obtain the highest resolution, 9600 dpi, if you select Photo Paper
Pro and the Print Quality to Custom, then move the slider to "1", Fine.
Simply setting the Print Quality to High is NOT the same setting, it's
a stage lower, I timed it.

So therefore I assume that any of the other settings use 2 picolitre drop
sizes?

I believe the two sizes are 1 pl and 5 pl for the iP5000. There is
no 2 pl. The 2 pl and 5 pl is reserved for the lesser iP4000.

Also which drop size has the most efficient ink usage? Or does the
ink usage remain the same whatever size drops are used?

I don't know what you mean by "efficient ink usage". I stopped worrying
about things like "cost per page", "cost per word ;-)", and "ink usage"
when I moved away from OEM inks. If you use bulk inks to refill, your
cost is about $5 to refill all 5 cartridges. Compatibles are a bit
higher. My only suggestion is to stay away from any ink marked
"Universal" or "Works in All Printers" - or you WILL be buying a
new printhead shortly.

Finally, does the drop size have any bearing on duplex use? Reason why I'm
asking is after testing some duplex graded high res paper, I still see the
black parts of an image on the reverse page. So far I've tried 90 g/m2
duplex paper and I should be testing some higher quality and more expensive
100g/m2 duplex paper soon. Would using 1 picolitre res printing reduce the
visibility of blacks on the flip side?

There may be less show through at 1 pl since the droplets are smaller -
less tendency to "flood" the page with black ink in a very short space
of time. I have seen this. My i860 (today's iP4000) would print very
wet glossy photos using dollar store paper, even at highest resolution.
With my iP5000, photos using the same paper come out quite dry. So there
is something there. And a comment that in side by side tests the dollar
store paper produced a better photo. Colors, brightness, contrast were
the same. But the Canon Photo Paper Pro paper showed a "foggy" haze that
the dollar store paper didn't. You will not notice this without a side
by side test.

I used Georgia-Pacific Photo Matte Ink Jet Paper, 144 g/m2, coated both
sides, and there is virtually no show through at highest resolution of
4800 dpi with my i860.

-Taliesyn (Your average inkjet user)

 

[measekite]

For my iP5000 I use bulk ink from Atlantic Inkjet for the Black BCI-3e
and compatible cartridges (filled with US ink made by Formulabs) for the
4 BCI-6 carts. My other printer, an i860 uses only bulk currently. Both
are performing perfectly. Using bulk inks your cost will be about $5 to
refill all 5 cartridges. Compatibles will be a little more. Those filled
with the Formulabs ink can be found on eBay.



Clogging is the least of my concerns.

Cloging is a major issue with most users. Tallysen is an exception
since he prints so much. There are more people having clogging problems
that can be traced to the non use of OEM inks. This is not only true
for Canon but for all brands of printers.

Printhead burnout seems to be a
far bigger issue, from the posts I've read here. One recommendation is
to give the printhead a rest during long print runs, especially at the
highest resolution. I neglected to do this on an earlier model and
suffered the consequences. Had to buy a new printhead on eBay, about
$55 US.



Yeah, I would agree. I'm not sure at what point it prints 1 pl. But you
will obtain the highest resolution, 9600 dpi, if you select Photo Paper
Pro and the Print Quality to Custom, then move the slider to "1", Fine.
Simply setting the Print Quality to High is NOT the same setting, it's
a stage lower, I timed it.



I believe the two sizes are 1 pl and 5 pl for the iP5000. There is
no 2 pl. The 2 pl and 5 pl is reserved for the lesser iP4000.



I don't know what you mean by "efficient ink usage". I stopped worrying
about things like "cost per page", "cost per word ;-)", and "ink usage"
when I moved away from OEM inks. If you use bulk inks to refill, your
cost is about $5 to refill all 5 cartridges. Compatibles are a bit
higher. My only suggestion is to stay away from any ink marked
"Universal" or "Works in All Printers" - or you WILL be buying a
new printhead shortly.


There may be less show through at 1 pl since the droplets are smaller -
less tendency to "flood" the page with black ink in a very short space
of time. I have seen this. My i860 (today's iP4000) would print very
wet glossy photos using dollar store paper,

My IP4000 does not print very wet glossy photos using Canon Photo Paper
Pro, Espson Paper, or Costco Kirkland paper.

even at highest resolution.
With my iP5000, photos using the same paper come out quite dry. So there
is something there. And a comment that in side by side tests the dollar
store paper produced a better photo. Colors, brightness, contrast were
the same. But the Canon Photo Paper Pro paper showed a "foggy" haze

Not on my printer using OEM ink for which it is designed for.

that
the dollar store paper didn't. You will not notice this without a side
by side test.

I used Georgia-Pacific Photo Matte Ink Jet Paper, 144 g/m2, coated both
sides, and there is virtually no show through at highest resolution of
4800 dpi with my i860.

He is not an average inkjet user. An average inkjet user uses OEM inks
and changes cartridges about twice a year.

 

[Burt]

Taliesyn is the person to listen to re; the ip5000 and inks. You do need to
be selective with the use of aftermarket inks. For good information about
the care and feeding of your printer in general, go onto the
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and first click on the Neil Slade site.
Good info on printer care, inks, and papers. Read all of Neils information
and then go back to the nifty-stuff site, sign in, and look at the areas in
which you have an interest. Neil and the people on the nifty stuff forum
have years of experience with all these issues and are glad to share their
information with you as well as answer any questions you might have. Don't
be disuaded from seeking out and using quality inks other than Canon. I
have used aftermarket inks in my i960 for almost a year with no problems and
with photo printing that is indestinguishable from prints made with Canon
inks. I have a list of vendors that sell cartridges prefilled with
Formulabs inks, and a few that have good bulk inks for refilling but I am
tired of posting them and having Measekite write defamatory comments about
the vendors and tear my posted messages apart. If I had a real email
address for you I would be glad to send more info. My email address is
correct except that you have to remove NOSPAM from it. Send me an email if
you want more information from me, but be sure to go on the two sites I
mentioned. Everyone with a Canon inkjet printer would do well to go on
these sites and get educated on the problems you might run into and the
fixes for them.

 

[measekite]

Taliesyn is the person to listen to re; the ip5000 and inks. You do need to
be selective with the use of aftermarket inks.

Taliesyn is a high school kid who is not representive of the printer community. He not only is a heavy user for all sorts of documents and graphics but prints many photos. He is an extremely high print load user.

The typical user will print far less and may have many more problems with clogging; especially using non OEM inks. In his case he is justified in making those choices due to the amount of ink he uses and his own financial situation.

If your print load is that heavey then you might want to do the same.

For good information

that is heavily skewed and slanted toward AfterMarket inks and hobbyists
that provide the same advice in this NG (ie fotofreak) then nifty may be
of some value but keep in mind who is doing the writing.

about
the care and feeding of your printer in general, go onto the
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ and first click on the Neil Slade site.
Good info on printer care, inks, and papers. Read all of Neils information
and then go back to the nifty-stuff site, sign in, and look at the areas in
which you have an interest. Neil and the people on the nifty stuff forum
have years of experience with all these issues and are glad to share their
information with you as well as answer any questions you might have. Don't
be disuaded from seeking out and using quality inks other than Canon.

It is very difficult since the one or two good manufacturer/formulators
do not sell BRANDED products under their own name. All you have a
choice of are vendors bent on disclosing at little as possible on what
they are selling. You can go from vendor to vendor and purchase
different labeled inks just to find out they are the exact same mfg ink
that cause problems.

I
have used aftermarket inks in my i960 for almost a year with no problems and
with photo printing that is indestinguishable from prints made with Canon
inks.

That is almost word for word on what fotofreak says on the nifty forum.

 

[Burt]

This great advice comes from Measekite, the person who has never used
non-OEM inks but postures himself as the world's expert on the subject.
Taliesyn has been in the computer business for many years and used more
printers currently than you will ever own. Have respect for people's
integrity in reporting their experiences and mayby you will get some respect
in return.

 

[measekite]

This great advice comes from Measekite, the person who has never used
non-OEM inks but postures himself as the world's expert on the subject.
Taliesyn has been in the computer business for many years and used more
printers currently than you will ever own. Have respect for people's
integrity in reporting their experiences and mayby you will get some respect
in return.

Hey Jerk

Read what I said


The typical user will print far less and may have many more problems with

 

[Burt]

Hey Jerk

Read what I said

I read what you said about Taliesyn and you were dead wrong. Just like most
of the crap you put on this NG. BTW thanks for calling me a jerk - that
appears to be the kindest epithet in your limited vocabulary.

 

[measekite]

I read what you said about Taliesyn and you were dead wrong. Just like most
of the crap you put on this NG. BTW thanks for calling me a jerk - that
appears to be the kindest epithet in your limited vocabulary.

The reason you clipped what I said is because you know you are full of
shit.

Just like most of the crap you put on this NG.

 

[Burt]

The reason you clipped what I said is because you know you are full of
shit.

I clipped it because it is polite protocol to shorten the post to just the
info you are responding to. Politeness is not something you understand.

And thanks for the reminder that I am full of shit. To paraphrase several
of your comments, I will relieve myself immediately after I send this post
by going and taking a Measekite.

 

[Taliesyn]

I read what you said about Taliesyn and you were dead wrong. Just like most
of the crap you put on this NG. BTW thanks for calling me a jerk - that
appears to be the kindest epithet in your limited vocabulary.

The nice thing about the poster known as Measekite is that I rarely
have to respond to any of his comments and allegations, because, like
clockwork, he always shoots himself in the foot with insults, name-
calling, and wild allegations. I have little fear that any poster
seeking help with printer/ink questions will rather easily be able
to tell which is the least credible source of useful information and
is merely trolling the newsgroup out of boredom at home.

As for Measekite saying I was a "High School kid" (with two uppity
printers???), I take that as a compliment. Because it's a level of
common education and civility that he can only dream of ever attaining.

-Taliesyn

 

[Burt]

Taliesyn - If I reversed the numbers in my age I'd be a senior in high
school instead of just a "senior". You are right that in virtually every
post he puts his foot in his mouth. Very self-defeating.

 

[measekite]

Taliesyn - If I reversed the numbers in my age I'd be a senior in high
school instead of just a "senior". You are right that in virtually every
post he puts his dick in my mouth. Very self-defeating.

 

[Burt]

lAnother instance of changing my post to slander me. Measekite is the
ultimate dishonest creep.

 

[measekite]

lAnother instance of changing my post to slander me. Burt is the
ultimate dishonest creep.