Question - Is 'IncrediMail' safe ?

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Orville Noah

During installation of 'IncrediMail' it didn't ask us if we want to transfer

all of our e-mail accounts to IncrediMail but we were surprised to find

out that it has transferred all of our home accounts from Outlook to

IncrediMail. Although we gave the info for only one account, but it

transferred and copied all of our account information and passwords

to its own account system.



Well we have changed our passwords right away and deleted IncrediMail.

Is there anyone familiar with this e-mail program? Any suggestions or

comments will be highly appreciated.
 
L

LAWRENCE SYSTEMS

I used Incredimail for a long period. It was a pretty nice program till the
Adware/Spyware Money moved in. I try to stay away from it now. Not a goo
Situation with it anymore.
 
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Rainy

I have used it for a long time... my spybot and adaware don't say anything
about it... I know the free version is ad supported.. which means to me that
they show ads at the top of it.. but spying on my computer.. I think its
different than regular spyware... Isn't there a difference? thanks Rainy
 
O

Orville Noah

Thank you for the info. All I knew that whenever an account is
automatically transferred, something must be wrong. Just lost
one days e-mails. I have learned my lesson. I am sure I will
make some more mistakes. Thanks.

Orville
 
V

Vanguard

Rainy said:
I have used it for a long time... my spybot and adaware don't say anything
about it... I know the free version is ad supported.. which means to me
that they show ads at the top of it.. but spying on my computer.. I think
its different than regular spyware... Isn't there a difference? thanks
Rainy


Many users confuse adware with spyware. Some adware may contain spyware but
not all adware is also spyware. You choose to use a *free* product and the
author of that product chooses to continue its support by providing some
revenue needed for that continued support in the form of ads. If it's
adware, it's obvious it is adware but just as obvious are the ads. Most of
the "spyware" factor of adware comes from it tracking your navigation or
use, so all cookies also qualify under that definition as adware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware
 
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Rainy

thanks for the explanation Vanguard. Rainy
Vanguard said:
Many users confuse adware with spyware. Some adware may contain spyware
but not all adware is also spyware. You choose to use a *free* product
and the author of that product chooses to continue its support by
providing some revenue needed for that continued support in the form of
ads. If it's adware, it's obvious it is adware but just as obvious are
the ads. Most of the "spyware" factor of adware comes from it tracking
your navigation or use, so all cookies also qualify under that definition
as adware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware
 
G

Guest

Many users confuse adware with spyware. Some adware may contain spyware >but
not all adware is also spyware


Panda_man>>> Yes ,but most (even ALL) adwares are unwanted ,right.
So they should be removed.

Panda_man
 
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Vanguard

Panda_man said:
in part:


Panda_man>>> Yes ,but most (even ALL) adwares are unwanted ,right.
So they should be removed.


Not if YOU were the one that chose to install the software and if YOU were
the one to choose to tolerate the ads in exchange for the otherwise free
software. Some users don't want to pay for commercialware, so they opt for
adware with the same functionality. After all, look how many users still
continue to use Hotmail and Yahoo with their webmail interfaces which are
full of ads. CuteFTP used to be adware (but stopped). FreshDownload was a
download manager with ads (but they quit, too). Some products simply push
up a banner (i.e., bannerware) but that is also adware (i.e., they advertise
just one advertiser: themself). UltimateZip is adware but not everyone
wants to buy Winzip, PKzip, or another commercial solution so they suffer
the ad (i.e., the startup or banner screen). Callwave, while it existed,
was supported by ads. Since its demise, users ends up using eFax which
pushes ads in the e-mails they send containing the fax attachment and also
send separate e-mails with ads.

If an author has expenses, like a web host from which users can download the
program, for the compilers or other software to develop the product, for the
bandwidth for an Interconnect connection, and so on, they could distribute
it as shareware and *hope* that a few users pay for continuing to use the
product (or expire it and piss off all users, even those that cheat by not
paying after the trial period), they can try using adware to recoup some of
their costs, or they can distribute it for free and absorb all costs (which
results in LOTS of good programs that disappear when the author cannot
afford to maintain or distribute it anymore). I have used some
adware-supported products in the past but I'll be looking for another
non-adware product in the meantime, or decide to donate/buy to get rid of
the ads. I would never use any adware that demands any personal identifying
information, like address, phone, or even my e-mail address (or I'd use an
e-mail alias, like one from Sneakemail). Not everyone works for free or can
continue doing so for an extended length of time. Even if they don't want
to get paid for their work, they may still have expenses to provide the
product to you and other users. Not many have bottomless pockets to supply
you with free software.

If it is adware that was overtly installed by choice of the user then it is
not malware. It was adware installed without *overt* consent by the user
then it is malware because it pushes ads into the face of the user for which
they did not agree to see. Many adwares also track the users navigation
within the ads (if the user decides to see more) or their use of the
adware-supported product, and many consider that tracking as an invasion of
privacy, but that invasion is the same as how cookies work.

http://www.pchell.com/support/spyware.shtml

There's is good adware, and there is bad adware. If you choose to install
it, if it is overt that it will install, if it is explicitly identified as
part of a bundled install, if it permits uninstallation (without or without
the bundled software), if it has an explicit and available privacy policy,
and otherwise behaves just like any other application, then it is good
adware. Like bad cops, it is the bad adware that ruins that type of
software. There are lots of folks using adware that know it is adware but
choose to exchange the cost of seeing ads (and maybe some tracking) instead
of their money.

If you need the functionality offered in an adware product, I'd suggest
hunting around some more to see if there is something else that isn't adware
supported. But if there is nothing else and you don't want to part with
your money then you need to decide if you are willing to part with screen
space for ads and perhaps some of your privacy but which may not have any
personally identifying information beyond just your IP address.
 
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Vanguard

Panda_man said:
No !!! Incredi Mail is spyware-adware.


Please qualify why Incredimail is spyware. I don't use it and will never
use it since I don't require adding cutsy fluff to my e-mails.

According to http://www.incredimail.com/english/privacy.html, they ask for
your country, age, and gender. So how does that identify YOU? Yes, they'll
also have your IP address but that is nearly worthless for personal
identification because it is a dynamically assigned IP address (i.e., it
changes), plus it cannot be used to target your e-mail account with spam.

"IncrediMail relies on two platforms to make an income; 1) the sale of its
software products and 2) advertisement via the Status Window in the
application and on the Web site." So the free version uses ads to support
the development, maintaince, and the means to distribute their product - AND
the user agreed to it, the install was overt and not covert, and the user
can uninstall the program. So, yes, the *free* version is adware but it is
not evil adware. I have seen nothing that shows that it is also spyware.
They even make claim to be an eTrust member, so if you really believed that
they were a spyware product then you should report it to eTrust - but I
suspect you won't because you really don't know.

Spyware authors are hard to find. They hide because they know they run
afoul of user and laws regarding the abuse of someone else's property.
Incredimail isn't hiding. If you really thought they were spewing spyware,
why not report them to their web host provider (RapidSite in Florida) or
their nameserver provider (bezeqint.net in Illinois)? With such an obvious
pervader of spyware, why are you just complaining to users and not reporting
it? Probably because it really isn't spyware. I would agree that they need
to be much more upfront by announcing on their download page that the
product is ad-supported rather than make users go read their privacy policy
to find out about it, but that isn't rare regarding adware products. I've
never bothered with the product so I don't know if their license also states
that the product is ad supported.

Or are you just spewing out what someone else claimed without validating
that claim? I don't use Incredimail and would recommend against using it
for various reasons but none of which, so far, would've been related to the
product being spyware. Please prove your claim. I don't like the product
but I don't go claiming it is spyware without cause.
 
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Orville Noah

What amazed us is the automatic transfer of all of our e-mail
accounts in to IncrediMail, when we just wanted to transfer
one account. We knew we made a mistake, loading a product
like that. Thank you all for the excellent info.

Oeville
 
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Vanguard

Orville Noah said:
What amazed us is the automatic transfer of all of our e-mail
accounts in to IncrediMail, when we just wanted to transfer
one account. We knew we made a mistake, loading a product
like that. Thank you all for the excellent info.


Incredimail makes a lot of ease-of-use assumption. Them migrating all your
account settings from another e-mail product isn't new. Outlook will do it
if it sees that new accounts were added under Outlook Express, and visa
versa, but they do show an intervening prompt to ask you if you want that
action committed. Incredimail also assumes that you will become so enamored
with their product that you will never want to leave it. Yet many users
that eventually decide to get rid of the fluffware find there is no easy
migration away from Incredimail; i.e., other e-mail clients won't copy the
settings from Incredimail and there is no export function in Incredimail to
move over account settings and mail items (I recall that some 3rd party
wrote a utility to yank out the settings or mail so you could import it into
another e-mail client but I'd have to Google around awhile).

I see nothing scary in Incredimail providing automatic ease-of-use by
copying over your account settings although I personally would prefer an
intervening prompt since I may want Incredimail to poll different accounts
than do my other e-mail clients (but that doesn't stop you from deleting the
accounts in Incredimail that got copied automatically so it doesn't poll
those). There is a lot of automatic setup in many programs. Would you want
to start with no toolbars in IE and have to add a new user-defined toolbar
and have to customize it to add all the buttons that are already provided
for you now? When you define an IMAP account in Outlook [Express] or some
other e-mail client, do you want it to poll and retrieve the list of folders
in your IMAP account and show them automatically or do you want to have to
figure out the root folder for your IMAP account and then add the path to
each subfolder, too? When you add another network card (to use your host as
a gateway), do you want to have to bind the TCP protocol to that NIC or
would you prefer the OS to do it for you (so all you're left with is a
smaller number of configuration settings to change, if any)?

You installed Incredimail so there is nothing scary in the program assuming
that you actually intended to use it with your existing mail accounts.
They've made it easier for you to start using their program after YOU
installed it. However, when you decide to get rid of it, it's not so easy
to yank out your mail and settings from Incredimail to use with some other
e-mail client. They got you and want to keep you. Unless you are some
marketing type or child that enjoys sending bloated e-mails with lots of
frilly but superfluous content, there is no point in wasting time with
Incredimail, especially since there is no guarantee that the recipient will
render your HTML-formatted e-mails composed with Incredimail (i.e., they may
strip out some HTML content, or strip it all out by reading in plain text
mode). I've never used Incredimail but I have to wonder if many of the
glitzy content requires retrieving it from their server(s) via a link within
the e-mail, but many users will not see it because they blocked linked
images. In fact, the use of all that cutsy HTML makes it more likely that
your bloated e-mail gets tagged as spam and the recipient never sees it.

Personally I see Incredimail as trash. But one man's trash is another's
gold.
 
C

CWatters

I'd be more worried that programs like incredimail have access to your
address book (A nice collection of validated email addresses).
 
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Vanguard

CWatters said:
I'd be more worried that programs like incredimail have access to your
address book (A nice collection of validated email addresses).


So does Outlook. So does Outlook Express. So does Thunderbird. So does
Pegasus. So does Eudora. Any e-mail client will obviously have access to
whatever address book it uses. You really want to have to copy and paste
e-mail addresses from your address book into your e-mail client's compose
window?
 
M

MAP

Rainy said:
I have used it for a long time... my spybot and adaware don't say
anything about it... I know the free version is ad supported.. which
means to me that they show ads at the top of it.. but spying on my
computer.. I think its different than regular spyware... Isn't there
a difference? thanks Rainy

The ads that are displayed via incredimail ARE NOT installed on your
computer it is just a banner ad just like many web pages use and if you buy
the program the ads stop.
 
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Orville Noah

Thank you for the excellent information. As you can see, these days we
all have to learn so many things about communication that it becomes
horrible to keep up with. To be honest, if this IncrediMail would ask a
new user that it can transfer all other e-mail accounts from the same PC,
and do you want to transfer? We would have been very happy and
probably never posted this conversation. Thanks to all of you, and
thanks to Microsoft.

Orville
 
C

CWatters

Vanguard said:
So does Outlook. So does Outlook Express. So does Thunderbird. So does
Pegasus. So does Eudora. Any e-mail client will obviously have access to
whatever address book it uses. You really want to have to copy and paste
e-mail addresses from your address book into your e-mail client's compose
window?

I've no problem with the _program_ having access but what about giving the
company access to all your friends email addresses?
 

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