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Rod Speed

Al Bundy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
That's the best way too, but I havent kept in the loop. It seems the
changes happening these days are much more frequent and at a faster
pace then yester years. I still love my old Abit BH-6 motherboard.
Now, that was a great board. Now, I don't even know if Abit even
exists and the choices are almost endless in choosing a board.

Yeah, rather bizarre even if you stick to one brand like asus like I do.

I'm currently looking at building another PVR and its only
the fact that I need 3 PCIe slots for the capture cards
alone that drastically cuts down the number of choices.

The newegg site is one hell of a resouce for sorting out the choices tho,
even if you dont buy from them. I cant, they dont do international shipping.
Since Abit isn't popular any more, I have no choice but to go with Asus but
I really don't like them much since I've had my issues with them before.

I havent had any problem myself, even tho one of them is a rather obscure model.
Besides, Asus customer support really sucks.

Cant agree with that at all. Their site is very slow but other than that
it leaves plenty of others like gigabyte for dead support wise with
their web site. And I havent actually needed any support anyway.

Given your other comment that you cant get repair installs to work,
we do have to wonder if the problem is with you, not the hardware etc.
 
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Paul

Al said:
Do u have any other tips on on the hardware components on what to look for?
The solid polymer caps is a really good one.

FWIW. One tech computer techy at a store that sells a lot of gigabyte MBs
and strongly suggested that I do NOT go with Gigabyte if I plan to go with
the i7 CPU. I imagine it would be ok if I would ok but I'm not familiar
with them.

I'd look for

1) Solid polymer caps (as a means of avoid cheap or imitation electrolytics).
In fact, motherboards don't really need to use solid polymer caps,
but it is the only easy way to avoid getting low quality caps on a
board. And with counterfeiting being what it is, you never know.

2) Number of phases in Vcore circuit. Motherboards might vary from 3 to 16
phases. The phases can have more or less power handling for each one,
so 16 phases is not 5x better than 3 phases. But what you don't want,
is a Vcore design that looks exactly the same, as a $50 motherboard
on Newegg. Some motherboard designs actually state their power handling
capabilities, so you get assurance the Vcore is not marginal. (The
140W AMD boards for example.)

3) I might have a slight preference for switching versus linear regulation
for other onboard resources. Switching uses coils, so you might see a coil
or two near the memory sockets. And perhaps another one, used to power some
part of the chipset. Switching regulators can be more efficient than linear
regulators. And switching regulators usually have better protection against
failures (kill the gate drive, if there is a problem). I've seen some linear
regulators, which have no protection against overheat, overcurrent and so on.
Most of the time, the linear works fine, but if there was a problem, something
could get hot enough to melt the solder holding the components down. I've
only read one report, of a "meltdown".

4) The layout may determine how much fun it is to run cables inside the chassis.
For example, if you had a floppy drive, and the floppy connector was placed in
the opposite corner, you'd have this cable in your face all the time.

Some ideas seem nice at the time, but don't grow on you. I've heard a few
people curse side-mounted SATA connectors for hard drives.

5) If you use big video cards, make sure when one or more video cards are
installed, the video card doesn't interfere with the memory ejector latches,
cover up any hard drive connectors, and so on. Do an interference check
on the thing you're buying, so later when you upgrade the video, you're
not disappointed.

With regard to Core i7

1) As far as I know, the boards are all using X58 chipset. So they all start
with the same materials. The memory controller is inside the processor.
Which in principle, means they should all handle memory equally well.
(The BIOS is the differentiator...)

2) Any company can screw up a design, by using the wrong controlled impedance
for some tracks in a board. But in addition to simulation before the fact,
motherboard designs may go through as many as three revisions, before the
third revision ships as product. So the companies should have had an
opportunity to get basic functions working. If you see reports of one company
screwing up all their boards of a single generation, then the
Newegg reviews should pick up on that. If you're buying a motherboard
after the early adopters have tested it, there should be plenty of
warnings to go around.

3) I see the occasional mention of one memory slot not working on
the triple channel Core i7. While I haven't seen any confirmation,
it could be a contact problem in the processor socket. It is possible
the processor is not seated properly when that happens. Having heard of
that kind of thing happening, I'd re-seat the processor
a second time, before declaring the motherboard I got was DOA.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Andrew Hamilton

Rod Speed wrote:
:: :
::: Do you have some hints that'll you can share? ;)
::
:: Yep, its completely trivial to see what are the volume selling
:: motherboards from any of the sites that allow buyers to make
:: comments on particular motherboards etc and from just google
:: searches on particular motherboards.

I buy all my stuff from Newegg. You can check out the most popular
boards by the number of ratings, but you have to know that people who
are happy are less likely to post a rating than people who are pissed
off at something.

Still, I was about to buy one of the Seagate 1 TB drives, but then I
read the reviews. Forget it! I have bought two Hitachi 1 TB drives
now and they run quiet and cool. I'm happy.
I'd rather look it a bit differently. I'd like to see what boards are
popular (have high sales) and then narrow it down from there.
For me, trying to find a MB is in some respects like trying to find a needle
in a haystack. Many board manufacturers confuse things even more by offering
"deluxe" models. While some boards offer crossfire or SLI, others don't.
Memory timings can also be daunting and whether one should choose ECC or
not. I recall years and years ago there were [popular] sites that offered
great advice on choosing on a MB and CPU combination, including stepping and
where the CPU is manufactured. Now, there are so many [new] sites many with
low traffic that it's overwhelming for someone like me to do choose what to
get.

And it seems to me that there used to be one or two good sites with
overclocking databases. I did a search recently and found a ton of
sites, but most of them seemed to have very little data or were
hopelessly out of date.

Just my two centimes.

-AH
 
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Andrew Hamilton

Visit newegg.com and the motherboard section. Sort the
motherboard list by "most reviewed". That will instantly tell
you what is popular.

Second place to stop, in particular for Asus, is vip.asus.com .
There are about 900 threads here for the P6T Deluxe. You can
compare that to some of their other motherboards, using the
motherboard menu selector.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe&SLanguage=en-us

Before you buy that XPS 630, look around for reviews. The
XPS 630, if that is what you're shopping for, appears to
use an Nvidia 650i chipset. There are better choices.
The motherboard picture I looked at, had solid polymer caps,
only around the CPU socket, while the rest were older
electrolytics. If you were to buy a retail Gigabyte
motherboard, you'll find some filled with solid polymer
caps.

What you're getting from Dell is a "package". But if it

You're also getting crappy products. After some lousy experience
with their laptops, it's now Lenovo all the way for me (and anyone who
will listen to me.)
requires contacting them, looking to them to deliver on
what they promised, you may be wishing you built this
yourself. Check the Dell forums, on the products
your interested in, before you buy.

For me, the deal breaker from Dell, would be the OS installation.
I want a real install CD, so I can do a "repair" install if I want
to. That takes less work to fix up, than nuking the C: drive
completely. That is one reason you'd never catch me buying
a Dell.

In the past, when I had a Dell Dimension 600, I had to grovel and
grovel and grovel to get a Windows Install CD. Glad I did, because
whether I want to or not, about once a year, I had to do a
re-install.
 
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Yousuf Khan

Sorry to enter the fascinating thread so late, hopefully there's still
more info you need.

Al said:
I havent built a PC in many, many years for myself.

Neither have I, but I often upgrade my PCs by myself. I think I can say
I built one PC from scratch more than 20 years ago (a PC-XT with an 8Mhz
8088 chip overclocked to 10Mhz). I've since upgraded pretty much every
component in there, one by one, several times over. But you can trace
the component history all of the way back to the original PC-XT.

I've thought about dumping it all and buying a new OEM PC from scratch
occasionally, but I hate not being able to customize the specs to
exactly the way I like.
I have to upgrade now. I want my PC to last me several years, at least 3
years without upgrading anything except the RAM and Hard drives. I'm an
Intel person. I'll be doing lots of multtasking and video editing/authoring.

It's important that you get a motherboard that has a long-term of BIOS
upgrades. That's pretty much no motherboards these days. 1.5 years is
pretty much all you can expect. Hopefully that'll be enough to get you
through the next set of specification changes.

For example, you might find your motherboard supports 1.5TB drives
currently. Then a few months down the road 3TB drives show up, and
there's no support for it in your current BIOS. Hopefully there will be
a new BIOS available to solve that for you on your choice of
motherboard. No guarantees, just hope.
I'm really undecided on everything. I do need a motherboard that is very
common and that will support hard drive upgrades of over 2 TB. I will
likely get a local PC store to build it but I would like a decent non mini
case with significant cooling. I likely will need a good clean PSU of 750
watts.

Check out PCPER.COM, they tend to have detailed info and reviews about
power supplies. More details than I knew about. For example, I used them
to settle on buying a specific power supply that I was looking at:

PC Perspective - Zalman ZM600-HP 600W Modular Heat Pipe Cooled PSU Review
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=327

You can do searches for other types of power supplies.
Any suggestions on what CPU, RAM, MB, CASE, VIDEO, HEAT SINK, FAN combos I
should consider?


Like you said in this thread in a different message, I seem to be stuck
with buying Asus motherboards because that's all they seem to sell at
local stores. Terrible choice. I think the most reliable motherboard
that I ever owned was an el-cheapo ECS K7S5A motherboard. I had zero
problems with it, which in itself was a problem as at some point I was
looking to upgrade the processor to a newer generation, and I couldn't
justify it since everything was working perfectly. :)

Yousuf Khan
 
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Rod Speed

Yousuf Khan wrote
Sorry to enter the fascinating thread so late, hopefully there's still more info you need.
Neither have I, but I often upgrade my PCs by myself. I think I can
say I built one PC from scratch more than 20 years ago (a PC-XT with
an 8Mhz 8088 chip overclocked to 10Mhz). I've since upgraded pretty
much every component in there, one by one, several times over. But you can trace the component history all of the way
back to the original PC-XT.
I've thought about dumping it all and buying a new OEM PC from scratch occasionally, but I hate not being able to
customize the specs to exactly the way I like.

I prefer to keep building from scratch.
It's important that you get a motherboard that has a long-term of BIOS upgrades. That's pretty much no motherboards
these days. 1.5 years is pretty much all you can expect.

Thats all you need now. Its just bug fixes now that we have
seen the last of the short term fixes for drive capacity problems.

You just need to keep up with how the industry
is moving like from ATA to SATA etc now.
Hopefully that'll be enough to get you
through the next set of specification changes.

They last a lot longer than that. The one I built before the current
main machine only has a problem with just USB1.1 and thats easy
to fix with a USB2 card. Its the PVR now, soon to be replaced
with an all new PVR for other reasons, just so I can build the new
one while continuing to use the old one during the upgrade and
then use them both for different strategys, one to just brute force
record everything for a week or two while I am away and sort out
what to keep when I get back etc.
For example, you might find your motherboard supports 1.5TB drives currently. Then a few months down the road 3TB
drives show up, and there's no support for it in your current BIOS.

That hasnt been a problem since we moved past LBA48 that limited
drives to 137GB. That was a hell of a lot more than 3 years ago now,
none of the systems I built in the last 10 years had that limitation.
Hopefully there will be a new BIOS available to solve that for you on your choice of motherboard. No guarantees, just
hope.

Thats just plain wrong. There wont be any need for drive size upgrades anymore.

Essentially because there is no limit like LBA48 left anymore.
Check out PCPER.COM, they tend to have detailed info and reviews about
power supplies. More details than I knew about. For example, I used
them to settle on buying a specific power supply that I was looking at:
PC Perspective - Zalman ZM600-HP 600W Modular Heat Pipe Cooled PSU
Review http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=327
You can do searches for other types of power supplies.
Like you said in this thread in a different message, I seem to be
stuck with buying Asus motherboards because that's all they seem to sell at local stores. Terrible choice. I think the
most reliable
motherboard that I ever owned was an el-cheapo ECS K7S5A motherboard. I had zero problems with it,

I havent had any problem with any of my asus motherboards.

I stick to intel chipsets tho.
which in itself was a problem as at some point I was looking to upgrade the processor to a newer generation, and I
couldn't justify it since everything was working perfectly. :)

Yeah, the only reason for the new PVR has nothing to do with the cpu.
 
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David Brown

Rod said:
Yousuf Khan wrote

That hasnt been a problem since we moved past LBA48 that limited
drives to 137GB. That was a hell of a lot more than 3 years ago now,
none of the systems I built in the last 10 years had that limitation.



Thats just plain wrong. There wont be any need for drive size
upgrades anymore.

Essentially because there is no limit like LBA48 left anymore.

There *is* a big limitation at 2 TB disks, though it is not normally a
problem for BIOSes. The traditional MBR on disks can't address more
than 2 TB size, so all your partitions must be within that area. The
solution is a GPT partition table, which lets you work with larger disks
(and more partitions). Because the GPT has a "protective" MBR partition
in the structure, traditional BIOSes (i.e., non-EFI BIOSes) will be able
to boot fine from the GPT disk.

Of course, booting successfully requires a GPT-aware bootloader. Most
Linux distributions' builds of Grub will work (with any sort of BIOS,
AFAIK), as will MS Vista (or newer) if you have an EFI BIOS. Other
versions of Windows will not boot from a GPT disk. All modern Linux and
Windows systems support GPT for data disks.
 
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Rod Speed

David Brown wrote
Rod Speed wrote
There *is* a big limitation at 2 TB disks,

Nope, not for bioses there isnt.
though it is not normally a problem for BIOSes.

Pity that is what was being discussed.
The traditional MBR on disks can't address more than 2 TB size,

Trivially fixable and nothing to do with the bios.
so all your partitions must be within that area.

Wrong. ALL thats needed is to store the partition info elsewhere on the drive.
The solution is a GPT partition table, which lets you work with larger disks (and more partitions).

So it isnt a problem for the bios.
Because the GPT has a "protective" MBR partition in the structure, traditional BIOSes (i.e., non-EFI BIOSes) will be
able to boot fine from the GPT disk.

And so it isnt a problem for the bios.
Of course, booting successfully requires a GPT-aware bootloader.

Completely trivial to put one on the drive when the
OS is being installed or the drive is being partitioned.
Most Linux distributions' builds of Grub will work (with any sort of BIOS, AFAIK), as will MS Vista (or newer) if you
have an EFI BIOS. Other versions of Windows will not boot from a GPT disk.

Wrong. The boot loader can be updated to handle that.
All modern Linux and Windows systems support GPT for data disks.

So there wont be a problem with a system built now when
drives over 2TB are used on that system, like I said.
 
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David Brown

Rod said:
David Brown wrote


Nope, not for bioses there isnt.

As I said. Of course, only people with the ability to read a complete
sentence without knee-jerking would understand that.
Pity that is what was being discussed.

Not really, since this is quite a general thread (look at the title of
the thread) and it's a related topic. You clearly have no understanding
of the MBR 2TB issue, others here might not have heard of it.
Trivially fixable and nothing to do with the bios.

Not trivial, and not unrelated to the BIOS. It is fixable using GPT
partition tables, but these are currently not well supported by many
tools and operating systems.
Wrong. ALL thats needed is to store the partition info elsewhere on
the drive.

There is no way to address "elsewhere on the drive" using the MBR -
that's why there is a problem!
So it isnt a problem for the bios.


And so it isnt a problem for the bios.


Completely trivial to put one on the drive when the OS is being
installed or the drive is being partitioned.

Assume I have a Windows XP Pro installation CD and want to install XP on
a 3 TB disk (such as a 2 x 1.5TB raid handled by the BIOS). Explain to
me how to "trivially" give the disk a GPT partition table, then
partition it to use all 3 TB's, and how to install a GPT-aware
bootloader. Alternatively, explain how to "trivially" use a standard
MBR and "store the partition info elsewhere on the disk" so that I can
then use all 3 TB's.
Wrong. The boot loader can be updated to handle that.

You might like to let Microsoft hear of your ideas - they seem to think
booting from a GPT disk is limited to a few server versions of their OS,
and then only if you have an EFI BIOS.
So there wont be a problem with a system built now when drives over
2TB are used on that system, like I said.

That's only the case if you have two drives - an MBR drive needed to
boot most versions of windows, and a GPT drive for data partitions.
 
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Rod Speed

As I said. Of course, only people with the ability to read a complete sentence without knee-jerking would understand
that.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I did in fact see the next bit before I replied, fool.
Not really,

Yes, really.
since this is quite a general thread (look at the title of the thread) and it's a related topic.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

It has NO relevance to the sub thread you chose to
put this comment of yours in, NONE WHAT SO EVER.
You clearly have no understanding of the MBR 2TB issue,

You're lying now. Even someone as stupid as you should be
able to use groups.google and discover I have commented
on it before, in fact LONG before you ever showed up yourself.
others here might not have heard of it.

You chose a stupid place to put your comment into this thread then.

Presumably because all you are actually interested in doing is point scoring and nit picking.
Not trivial,

Completely trivial. Whatever is used to prepare/partition
the drive can fix that problem completely trivially.
and not unrelated to the BIOS.

Completely unrelated to BIOS UPDATES FROM THE
MANUFACTURER THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED.
It is fixable using GPT partition tables, but these are currently not well supported by many tools and operating
systems.

Irrelevant. The fact remains that its well supported enough so that
anyone who wants to use a drive bigger than 2TB can do so and in
fact the manufacturers of those drives provide the tools to do that.

It would in fact be a ****ing sight more surprising if they did not.
There is no way to address "elsewhere on the drive" using the MBR

Wrong, as always. The code thats in the MBR does that, fool.
that's why there is a problem!

Wrong, as always.
Assume I have a Windows XP Pro installation CD and want to install XP on a 3 TB disk (such as a 2 x 1.5TB raid handled
by the BIOS). Explain to me how to "trivially" give the disk a GPT partition table, then partition it to use all 3
TB's, and how to install a GPT-aware bootloader. Alternatively, explain how to "trivially" use a standard MBR and
"store the partition info elsewhere on the disk" so that I can then use all 3 TB's.

Thats what the GPT system is designed to do, fool.
You might like to let Microsoft hear of your ideas - they seem to think booting from a GPT disk is limited to a few
server versions of their OS, and then only if you have an EFI BIOS.

MS is completely irrelevant to what can be done by anyone
who chooses to do what MS doesnt choose to do.
That's only the case if you have two drives

Wrong, as always.
- an MBR drive needed to boot most versions of windows, and a GPT drive for data partitions.

Wrong, as always.
 
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YKhan

Yousuf Khan wrote

I prefer to keep building from scratch.

I just can't stand to throw away a perfectly good working part that is
still doing its job. So there is always a lot of carryover from
previous generations in my systems.
That hasnt been a problem since we moved past LBA48 that limited
drives to 137GB. That was a hell of a lot more than 3 years ago now,
none of the systems I built in the last 10 years had that limitation.

Well, it was the 137GB limit most recently. Before that there were
several other storage system limitations. Other limits I can think of
right off the bat were the 2GB limit, and the 512MB limit. Whether
they were BIOS related or OS related doesn't matter, but it seems like
there is always something just around the corner.

What's going to happen to people still running XP? There's still lots
of them. Will there be any updates to allow it to access the next
generation of drives? They are already talking about a 2GB limit.
I havent had any problem with any of my asus motherboards.

I stick to intel chipsets tho.

I ran into a particularly nasty mobo from Asus one day, but on paper
it should have been just fine. I had previous motherboards from Asus
with the same Nvidia chipset, and they were just fine. Why this one
was so bad, i have no idea. It just had compatibility problems from
the get go. Windows installed on it, but there were plenty of non-
working parts. Linux wouldn't even start. That's when I realized that
motherboard design is more than just sticking a well-known chipset on
it.

Yousuf Khan
 
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Andrew Hamilton

There *is* a big limitation at 2 TB disks, though it is not normally a
problem for BIOSes. The traditional MBR on disks can't address more
than 2 TB size, so all your partitions must be within that area. The
solution is a GPT partition table, which lets you work with larger disks
(and more partitions). Because the GPT has a "protective" MBR partition
in the structure, traditional BIOSes (i.e., non-EFI BIOSes) will be able
to boot fine from the GPT disk.

I tend to discount anything that Rod Speed says, so I'm concerned
about this 2 TB issue. I'm going to build up at least one system with
a P6T series motherboard, and I expect to get 4-6 years out of the
system, with occasion drive upgrades. Does the P6T series have an EFI
BIOS?

So what happens when I want to drop in a 4 TB drive in two years as a
boot drive, and use partitions beyond the 2 TB limit?

-AH
 
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Rod Speed

YKhan wrote
I just can't stand to throw away a perfectly good working part that is still doing its job.

I do move the drives to the new system, but there isnt much else
thats worth continuing to use. Even the memory usually doesnt
move because its improved significantly technology wise etc.
So there is always a lot of carryover from
previous generations in my systems.

Not much in fact except the drives. The memory usually doesnt move even.

I wont even be moving the capture cards between PVRs, because the new
ones are dual cards, the current ones are single channel per card and dual
cards make the antenna feed rather simpler when you need 6+channels
and few motherboards have that many slots.
Well, it was the 137GB limit most recently.

Yes, that was the LBA48 problem.
Before that there were several other storage system limitations.

Yes, but the industry came to its senses after that utter fiasco
and now that the LBA48 problem has been fixed, there are no
more to come like that, essentially because the number of bits
in the logical block fields will last for a hell of a long time now.
Other limits I can think of right off the bat
were the 2GB limit, and the 512MB limit.

There were plenty of others, 33GB and 80.
Whether they were BIOS related or OS related doesn't matter,

Yes it does when discussing whether bios updates are available.
but it seems like there is always something just around the corner.

Not anymore.
What's going to happen to people still running XP?

Nothing special. There's still people running 2K and 98 and
a few loons running NT and 95 and even a few still running dos.
There's still lots of them. Will there be any updates
to allow it to access the next generation of drives?

We dont need MS to do that.
They are already talking about a 2GB limit.

Yes, but thats quite easy to work around. All it needs is an updated boot
loader and they are so simple that it doesnt have to come from MS.
I ran into a particularly nasty mobo from Asus one day, but on paper
it should have been just fine. I had previous motherboards from Asus
with the same Nvidia chipset, and they were just fine. Why this one
was so bad, i have no idea. It just had compatibility problems from
the get go.

Yeah, Nvidia is like that, thats why I avoid them. VIA too.
Windows installed on it, but there were plenty of non- working parts.
Linux wouldn't even start. That's when I realized that motherboard
design is more than just sticking a well-known chipset on it.

Not with intel chipsets it isnt.
 
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David Brown

Rod Speed wrote:
<snip>

You really are an expert at teenage tantrums, aren't you? Do you
actually /enjoy/ writing this sort of drivel? Obviously it's of no
interest or use to anyone else (least of all the original poster or
others asking questions and looking for help). I'm not trying to bait
you as some posters here like to do - but I'm curious to /why/ you post
like this. Is it purely for your own sake, or do you think it affects
the way other people view either you or your "target"?
 
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David Brown

Andrew said:
I tend to discount anything that Rod Speed says, so I'm concerned
about this 2 TB issue. I'm going to build up at least one system with
a P6T series motherboard, and I expect to get 4-6 years out of the
system, with occasion drive upgrades. Does the P6T series have an EFI
BIOS?

So what happens when I want to drop in a 4 TB drive in two years as a
boot drive, and use partitions beyond the 2 TB limit?

Disclaimer - this is all based on websites, include MS's own pages, not
personal experience.

If you are using a modern Linux distribution, or have an EFI bios and
are using one of the windows systems that support it (look it up on MS's
website - they are mostly server versions), then booting from a GPT disk
will be fine. Otherwise, you have to use an MBR, and that means using
no more than 2 TB of the disk.

However, this only applies to the boot disk. Most windows systems are
okay with GPT disks for other partitions (though tools for creating GPT
partition tables may be limited). I don't know about your usage
patterns, but I tend to keep the OS reasonably stable on a given system
- I don't change boot or OS drives, but may add new drives for data.
 
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Rod Speed

Some terminal ****wit claiming to be
David Brown desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of
its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
 
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JR Weiss

David said:
Rod Speed wrote:
<snip>

You really are an expert at teenage tantrums, aren't you? Do you
actually enjoy writing this sort of drivel? Obviously it's of no
interest or use to anyone else (least of all the original poster or
others asking questions and looking for help). I'm not trying to
bait you as some posters here like to do - but I'm curious to why you
post like this. Is it purely for your own sake, or do you think it
affects the way other people view either you or your "target"?

rodless is simply the local troll. He is best ignored, except when his
drivel might result in somebody trying something really stupid...
 
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Rod Speed

Some terminal ****wit claiming to be
JR Weiss wrote just the puerile shit
thats all it can ever manage.
 
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Andrew Hamilton

Disclaimer - this is all based on websites, include MS's own pages, not
personal experience.

If you are using a modern Linux distribution, or have an EFI bios and
are using one of the windows systems that support it (look it up on MS's
website - they are mostly server versions), then booting from a GPT disk
will be fine. Otherwise, you have to use an MBR, and that means using
no more than 2 TB of the disk.

However, this only applies to the boot disk.

For now, that's probably not an issue for the system manufacturers.
But 2 years from now, 4 TB drives will be "cheap enough" to be put
into mid-range and possibly even lower-cost desktop systems. I have
to think that the manufacturers will want to offer these drives in a
one-drive system, so there will be pressure on everyone concerned to
solve this problem, just as the 137 MB barrier issue was solved
several years ago.

Most windows systems are
okay with GPT disks for other partitions (though tools for creating GPT
partition tables may be limited). I don't know about your usage
patterns, but I tend to keep the OS reasonably stable on a given system
- I don't change boot or OS drives, but may add new drives for data.

For you and me and the other people who read this list, that makes
perfect sense. But to the system manufacturers, I think they will
want to stay with one-drive products. (not including optical drives,
of course).

-AH
 
B

Benjamin Gawert

* Al Bundy:
I looked at Dell and scratched them off my list pretty early. There top of
the line XPS Studio line motherboard only supports up to 1 TB of hard
drive(s). That's it!

That's nonsense. Dell (like all other brand name manufacturers) usually
lists hard drive sizes they have *tested* the machine with. Usually this
test is done once, and if the biggest hard drive offered by them at this
time was 1TB then they don't test with anything bigger.

However, this doesn't mean it only *works* with up to 1TB hard drives.

Benjamin
 

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