Q: How's that Linux thing working out for you, Dell?

[DP]

A: http://www.cnbc.com/id/22041260

 

[Stephan Rose]

A: http://www.cnbc.com/id/22041260

And what does this have to with their linux thing? Where does it list
linux as a cause in that article?

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[DP]

It doesn't. My post was just a joke, dude.
However, you'd think that if Linux was so great, all the people who want it
would be vaulting Dell to the top of the sales charts. That ain't happening
though.

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

It doesn't. My post was just a joke, dude.
However, you'd think that if Linux was so great, all the people who want
it would be vaulting Dell to the top of the sales charts. That ain't
happening though.

Imagine Linux being out for the desktop over 5+ years, you can get it for
FREE and it hardly makes a dent in the marketplace. That outta tell people
something

 

[Stephan Rose]

Imagine Linux being out for the desktop over 5+ years, you can get it
for FREE and it hardly makes a dent in the marketplace. That outta
tell people something

Not really. The price of the OS is largely irrelevant as *most* people
don't "pay" for the windows. Windows is "free" in the sense that the
greater majority of people don't go out and buy a copy of windows.

They go out and buy a computer. It happens to have windows on it. They
use it. They didn't pay for windows, they paid for their computer whose
price included that of windows and that at a significant lower rate than
one would pay individually buying a copy of any version of windows.

So no, windows doesn't "cost" most users anything. I mean go ahead and
ask the average point'n click user what their copy of windows cost and
you'll just get a blank stare as an answer.

The problem with any OS competing with windows, doesn't matter if it's
Linux, Mac, or any other OS is not a quality problem. The problem isn't
with what OS has more features or what one can't what another can. They
are factors that go into the equation but they aren't the main deciding
factor.

The main deciding factor is the #1 thing that an OS is there to do: Run
the users applications.

And here comes the chicken and egg problem. For another OS to gain any
significant marketshare there have to be applications for it to run.
However, for there to be applications to run on the OS, it has to have
significant enough marketshare. It's that very reason I personally still
keep windows around. I have an application or two that require it.

Ultimately, we would all benefit from more diversity in the marketplace.

A more diverse marketplace would mean more cross-platform technologies
which would make it easier to have a more diverse marketplace in the
first place.

It would also mean less spyware, less viruses, less malware, etc. It's
easy to write any of those when one has to target only one OS. It's by
magnitudes more difficult if one has to target multiple OSes. It'd be
virtually impossible to write one virus to run on all.

It would mean more innovation and features for us as users. Competition
just seems to have that kind of effect on things.

Really, for all our benefit, the OS monopoly (or near monopoly) has to
end.

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[dennis@home]

It doesn't. My post was just a joke, dude.
However, you'd think that if Linux was so great, all the people who want
it would be vaulting Dell to the top of the sales charts. That ain't
happening though.

Most people that want Linux don't want to buy a new machine.
They are hoping Linux will give their old machine a new lease of life.
That's why there is no money in Linux and why no-one really wants to do
Linux machines.
You can tell they don't want to do Linux if you look at the price.. the
Linux machines aren't significantly cheaper than the windows ones of the
same spec.
Linux will be more successful in the appliance market where a manufacturer
can strip out the garbage and leave a web appliance or and email appliance,
etc.

 

[DP]

Most people that want Linux don't want to buy a new machine.
They are hoping Linux will give their old machine a new lease of life.
That's why there is no money in Linux and why no-one really wants to do
Linux machines.

I guess I should suplly a little more background to the reason I posted this
in the first place.
There was a lot of huffing and puffing on this newsgroup and others while
back that Dell selling Linux means the end of Windows and/or that MS really
screwed up this time when they came out with Vista.
If MS is worried about its operating system dying, it certainly isn't
because Dell is putting a nail in the coffin, as those recent sales figures
show.

 

[caver1]

Most people that want Linux don't want to buy a new machine.
They are hoping Linux will give their old machine a new lease of life.
That's why there is no money in Linux and why no-one really wants to do
Linux machines.
You can tell they don't want to do Linux if you look at the price.. the
Linux machines aren't significantly cheaper than the windows ones of the
same spec.
Linux will be more successful in the appliance market where a
manufacturer can strip out the garbage and leave a web appliance or and
email appliance, etc.

You're full of shit. Yes Linux can run old
stuff but at the same time we want the new. Its
called freedom.
caver1

 

[Frank]

You're full of shit. Yes Linux can run old stuff but at the same time
we want the new. Its called freedom.
caver1

Take your shit over to your chapel, open sores.
Frank

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"...that Dell selling Linux means..."
That would be a bad assumption now just like it would have been
several years ago when Dell sold Linux computers.
Dell stopped selling them back then probably because of low demand.

Only time will tell if it goes differently for Dell this time.

 

[dennis@home]

You're full of shit. Yes Linux can run old stuff but at the same time
we want the new. Its called freedom.
caver1

You are an idiot.
Where did what I said stop you from putting linux on new hardware?
You sound more like "peter" all the time.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

It doesn't. My post was just a joke, dude.
However, you'd think that if Linux was so great, all the people who want
it would be vaulting Dell to the top of the sales charts. That ain't
happening though.

If Vista was so great, all the people who want it would be vaulting Dell
to the top of the sales charts. That ain't happening though.


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[DP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

If Vista was so great, all the people who want it would be vaulting Dell
to the top of the sales charts. That ain't happening though.

Yet, Microsoft had one of its best quarters ever.
Besides your logic doesn't make sense.
Lets say Dell is one of 100 computer makers selling Vista computers. Some
computer makers will do better than others. So if Dell is having a bad year,
but microsoft is having a great one, that's hardly a knock on Vista. It just
means Vista users have chosed some of the 99 other Vista computer sellers to
buy from..
However, Dell is one of the FEW computer makers selling Linux. If Dell is
having a poor year, that's telling you the demand for Linux must not be very
high because there arent a lot of alternative makers.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"


Yet, Microsoft had one of its best quarters ever.
Besides your logic doesn't make sense.
Lets say Dell is one of 100 computer makers selling Vista computers.
Some computer makers will do better than others. So if Dell is having a
bad year, but microsoft is having a great one, that's hardly a knock on
Vista. It just means Vista users have chosed some of the 99 other Vista
computer sellers to buy from..
However, Dell is one of the FEW computer makers selling Linux. If Dell
is having a poor year, that's telling you the demand for Linux must not
be very high because there arent a lot of alternative makers.

http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/67972
"Poor Vista sales==strong profit for Dell thanks to low DRAM prices."

-OR-

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={B15928E6-7034-4FAB-86C0-45CBA08AAD68}
"The 'Vista effect'
On the flip side, PC makers Hewlett-Packard Co. have been able to stock
up on cheap DRAM, which may help profit margins at the world's largest
PC sellers. Dell, for instance, posted its best gross margin in six
years in the first quarter, thanks to low DRAM prices, analysts said."

MS may be doing well in their profits, but it's not largely due to vista
demand (or lack there of).

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[DP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/67972
"Poor Vista sales==strong profit for Dell thanks to low DRAM prices."

-OR-

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={B15928E6-7034-4FAB-86C0-45CBA08AAD68}
"The 'Vista effect'
On the flip side, PC makers Hewlett-Packard Co. have been able to stock up
on cheap DRAM, which may help profit margins at the world's largest PC
sellers. Dell, for instance, posted its best gross margin in six years in
the first quarter, thanks to low DRAM prices, analysts said."

MS may be doing well in their profits, but it's not largely due to vista
demand (or lack there of).

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Hmmm......
Two stories from half a year ago.
Here's a more recent story for you (note the paragraph about growth in Vista
sales):



Microsoft Reports 27% Revenue Growth; Fastest First Quarter Since 1999

Broad-based strength drives operating income and EPS growth each in excess
of 25%

REDMOND, Wash. -- October 25, 2007 -- Microsoft Corp. today announced
revenue of $13.76 billion for the quarter ended September 30, 2007, a 27%
increase over the same period of the prior year. Operating income, net
income and diluted earnings per share for the quarter were $5.92 billion,
$4.29 billion and $0.45, respectively.

"This fiscal year is off to an outstanding start with the fastest revenue
growth of any first quarter since 1999," said Chris Liddell, chief financial
officer at Microsoft. "Operating income growth of over 30% also reflects
our ability to translate revenue into profits while making strategic
investments for the future."

Microsoft's businesses of Client, Microsoft Business Division, and Server
and Tools grew combined revenue in excess of 20%, and experienced robust
demand for Windows Vista, the 2007 Microsoft Office system, Windows Server,
and SQL Server.

"Customer demand for Windows Vista this quarter continued to build with
double-digit growth in multi-year agreements by businesses and with the vast
majority of consumers purchasing premium editions," said Kevin Johnson,
president of the Platform and Services Division at Microsoft.

During the quarter, Microsoft's two consumer focused divisions passed
milestones with the successful close of the company's largest ever
acquisition, aQuantive, and Halo 3 achieving the biggest entertainment
launch day in history.
"Backed by an amazing product line-up, our sales force, marketing teams, and
partners delivered another excellent quarter," said Kevin Turner, chief
operating officer at Microsoft.

Business Outlook

Microsoft management offers the following guidance for the quarter ending
December 31, 2007:

- Revenue is expected to be in the range of $15.6 billion to $16.1 billion.
- Operating income is expected to be in the range of $5.9 billion to $6.1
billion.
- Diluted earnings per share are expected to be in the range of $0.44 to
$0.46.

Management offers the following guidance for the full fiscal year ending
June 30, 2008:

- Revenue is expected to be in the range of $58.8 billion to $59.7 billion.
- Operating income is expected to be in the range of $23.3 billion to $23.7
billion.
- Diluted earnings per share are expected to be in the range of $1.78 to
$1.81.

The foregoing full fiscal year guidance includes approximately $85 million
of estimated integration costs and in-process research and development
expenses, or a $0.01 impact to diluted earnings per share, due to the
acquisition of aQuantive.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"



Hmmm......
Two stories from half a year ago.
Here's a more recent story for you (note the paragraph about growth in
Vista sales):



Microsoft Reports 27% Revenue Growth; Fastest First Quarter Since 1999

Broad-based strength drives operating income and EPS growth each in excess
of 25%

REDMOND, Wash. -- October 25, 2007 -- Microsoft Corp. today announced
revenue of $13.76 billion for the quarter ended September 30, 2007, a 27%
increase over the same period of the prior year. Operating income, net
income and diluted earnings per share for the quarter were $5.92 billion,
$4.29 billion and $0.45, respectively.

"This fiscal year is off to an outstanding start with the fastest revenue
growth of any first quarter since 1999," said Chris Liddell, chief
financial
officer at Microsoft. "Operating income growth of over 30% also reflects
our ability to translate revenue into profits while making strategic
investments for the future."

Microsoft's businesses of Client, Microsoft Business Division, and Server
and Tools grew combined revenue in excess of 20%, and experienced robust
demand for Windows Vista, the 2007 Microsoft Office system, Windows Server,
and SQL Server.

That is many products where sales growth is seen. The main reason for
growth seen in vista is because almost all new OEM computers come with
it preinstalled. Which is not a ringing endorsement for vista, but
rather strong arm tactics used by MS with the major OEMs to get vista on
most of the new OEM machines. Your article proves nothing.

"Customer demand for Windows Vista this quarter continued to build with
double-digit growth in multi-year agreements by businesses and with the
vast
majority of consumers purchasing premium editions," said Kevin Johnson,
president of the Platform and Services Division at Microsoft.

During the quarter, Microsoft's two consumer focused divisions passed
milestones with the successful close of the company's largest ever
acquisition, aQuantive, and Halo 3 achieving the biggest entertainment
launch day in history.
"Backed by an amazing product line-up, our sales force, marketing teams,
and
partners delivered another excellent quarter," said Kevin Turner, chief
operating officer at Microsoft.

Business Outlook

Microsoft management offers the following guidance for the quarter ending
December 31, 2007:

- Revenue is expected to be in the range of $15.6 billion to $16.1 billion.
- Operating income is expected to be in the range of $5.9 billion to $6.1
billion.
- Diluted earnings per share are expected to be in the range of $0.44 to
$0.46.

Management offers the following guidance for the full fiscal year ending
June 30, 2008:

- Revenue is expected to be in the range of $58.8 billion to $59.7 billion.
- Operating income is expected to be in the range of $23.3 billion to $23.7
billion.
- Diluted earnings per share are expected to be in the range of $1.78 to
$1.81.

The foregoing full fiscal year guidance includes approximately $85 million
of estimated integration costs and in-process research and development
expenses, or a $0.01 impact to diluted earnings per share, due to the
acquisition of aQuantive.

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[DP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

Your article proves nothing.

Neither did the two six-month-old articles you posted.

Bottom line though: Microsoft booming, Dell floundering.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"



Neither did the two six-month-old articles you posted.

Bottom line though: Microsoft booming, Dell floundering.

Dell's floundering have little to nothing to do with selling linux on
computers and vista has little to do with MS's cash cow getting fatter.

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[DP]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

Dell's floundering have little to nothing to do with selling linux on
computers and vista has little to do with MS's cash cow getting fatter.

Yes, but if Linux was so in demand, the rising tide would have lifted Dell's
boat. It hasn't.