Put Hard Drive to Sleep

K

K3

I've been searching for a small, stand-alone (preferred) utility to put my
second internal IDE HD to sleep when not in use. I've found HDSleep by
Matthias Wolf (Shareware $20), which installed okay, but won't run because
of the limited evaluation license (it's suppose to be for 30-days, but I
haven't even been able to run it once). The author's website is no longer
available.

I've also found a few old DOS utilities that won't run under Win98se.

Anyone know of such a utility that will run under Win9x that will let me
manually put selected HD's to sleep?

Thanks!

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B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson

Anyone know of such a utility that will run under Win9x that will let me
manually put selected HD's to sleep?

If your computer supports APM: Go to the Power Management section of the
Control Panel. You should find a possibility to choose power-down time
frames for every disk. (Win98SE and WinME.)

HTH.
BeAr
 
K

K3

B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson said:
If your computer supports APM: Go to the Power Management section of
the Control Panel. You should find a possibility to choose power-down
time frames for every disk. (Win98SE and WinME.)

HTH.
BeAr

all I find is one setting for all drives. :-(

Pentium III 800mhz
Award BIOS v4.51PG w/ APM support
Win98SE w/ all updates
Drive C: Primary Master (OS & Programs) - 20gb
Drive D: Secondary Master (Data Files) - 6.4gb
Drive E: USB 2.0 External (Backups) - 120gb

Putting Drive E: to sleep is just a matter of shutting it off. But I'd
also like to have Drive D: turned off (or put to sleep) whenever it's not in
use for several reasons (less power consumption, internet security (?) and
less wear & tear).

--
Kendall F. Stratton III
Fort Fairfield, Maine USA
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http://home.maine.rr.com/k3

"Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have!"
 
B

B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson

Putting Drive E: to sleep is just a matter of shutting it off. But I'd
also like to have Drive D: turned off (or put to sleep) whenever it's not in
use

You are right. Win98 only has one setting for all drives. But that
shouldn't be a problem. If you choose 10 minutes for HD-power-down
and work on your first master HD without accessing the secondary
master, than you should hear the D: drive go to sleep right after
these 10 minutes, while the C: drive keeps spinning.
for several reasons (less power consumption,

*Very* small amounts (if there will be any savings at all).
internet security (?)

Only, if you notice an unexpected HD spin-up and act accordingly...
and less wear & tear).

If you access the D: drive during your work accidentally from time to
time you may strain the drive even more. The spin-up and spin-down
phases are the most problematic time frames. (Especially, if one
occurs shortly after another.)

Best reason to power down an unneeded HD is, IMHO, the reduction
of noise.

Please note, that Win98 has some general problems with power management.
It may take quiet a time for a sleeping hard drive to awake. And if
you experience some kind of unexpected behavior, you are maybe better
off without activating HD-sleep at all... :-(

BeAr
 
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George R. Young

all I find is one setting for all drives. :-(

Pentium III 800mhz
Award BIOS v4.51PG w/ APM support
Win98SE w/ all updates
Drive C: Primary Master (OS & Programs) - 20gb
Drive D: Secondary Master (Data Files) - 6.4gb
Drive E: USB 2.0 External (Backups) - 120gb

Putting Drive E: to sleep is just a matter of shutting it off. But
I'd also like to have Drive D: turned off (or put to sleep) whenever
it's not in use for several reasons (less power consumption, internet
security (?) and less wear & tear).

I had a similar problem trying to quiet a second noisy disk. The solution
for me was to run a dos sleeper program (e.g. Hdsdown3.com) during startup
from autoexec.bat to impose a sleep time on the second disk only.
 
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Steve H

I've been searching for a small, stand-alone (preferred) utility to put my
second internal IDE HD to sleep when not in use. I've found HDSleep by
Matthias Wolf (Shareware $20), which installed okay, but won't run because
of the limited evaluation license (it's suppose to be for 30-days, but I
haven't even been able to run it once). The author's website is no longer
available.

I've also found a few old DOS utilities that won't run under Win98se.

Anyone know of such a utility that will run under Win9x that will let me
manually put selected HD's to sleep?
I'd be interested to know if you find anything that does the job.
I use a secondary hard drive in a removable caddy as a backup drive -
it really only needs to be active when I do my backups at the end of
the day.
I asked pretty much the same question as you on this group some time
ago and got no leads to follow up - so if you find a solution, please
let me know!

Regards,
 
J

James A. Smith

what ver of windows do you use?
I ask cause you can do this already on new vers.
 
M

Mel

98SE - no plans to upgrade..at least not with Windows.

Regards,
Understanding Your BIOS Power Management Settings

This is for Green PCs, or those complying with the EPA Energy Star
programs; the intention is to save unnecessary power usage if the system
becomes inactive. Power is reduced automatically to the devices and
restored as quickly as possible when activity is detected (that's the
theory, anyway). This is usually done with idle timing and event
monitoring techniques. A Power Management Unit (PMU) monitors interrupt
signals through an interrupt events detector. If it hears nothing for a
while, the system is put gradually and progressively to sleep, in that
the longer the time inactive, the more parts of the system will close
down. However, setting all this up in the BIOS only goes so far - you
should do it in your operating system as well (not NT) - certainly,
ensure that 95/98's compatibility with APM 1.0 is enabled through
Control Panel.

Choices available range from simple "dozing" to complete shutdown:
* Dozing slows the CPU down only, to around half speed.
* Standby shuts down HD and video, or CPU and SCLK (depends on the
chipset).
* Suspend shuts down all devices except the CPU.
* Inactive stops the CPU, slows the SCLK and powers down the L2 cache.
* HDD Power Down just shuts down the hard disk.

As with anything, there are industry standards. For energy saving
purposes, these include:
* APM, or Advanced Power Management
Devised by Intel/Microsoft. This must be active if you want to
keep the time and date when the system is suspended, with power.exe for
DOS (try power.drv for Windows) that coordinates BIOS, DOS and program
activity. APM is responsible for shutting the system down on quitting
the operating system, typically Windows '95, and other useful tricks.
* ATA, or AT Attachments Specification
For IDE drives. Some ATA compliant devices provide Spin down
facilities.
* DPMS, or Display Power Management Signaling
Monitors and cards conforming to this are meant to be matched, as
signals are sent between them to put the CRT into various low power
states, which need instructions from the BIOS. These are recognized
power management states:
* Run, Standby, Suspend and Off.
Suspend is slower to return to the Run state than Standby, which
is regarded as being temporarily idle. Disable Standby and Suspend if
you don't want PM.
* ACPI, or Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
Hashed out mainly by Intel, Microsoft and Toshiba. This will allow
desktop PCs to have instant on, and be better for voicemail and
household device control, as peripherals can be turned off as well as
the main system unit. It will work the other way, too. Only devices with
an ACP BIOS later than Jan 1 1999 are guaranteed to work with Windows
2000. Some BIOS's have their own maximum and minimum settings for the
times allocated, but you may have a "User Defined" option for your own.
More options may be available for SL (low power) CPUs. SM Out, by the
way, means the System Management Output control pin.
 
K

K3

Steve said:
I'd be interested to know if you find anything that does the job.
I use a secondary hard drive in a removable caddy as a backup drive -
it really only needs to be active when I do my backups at the end of
the day.
I asked pretty much the same question as you on this group some time
ago and got no leads to follow up - so if you find a solution, please
let me know!

Regards,

Like George R. Young suggested, I'm gonna try loading one of the DOS
drive-sleeper utilities that I downloaded and see if it works.

I also have one of them-there removable caddy thingys (as my Data drive that
I'm trying to put to sleep), and might have to resort to pulling it out when
not in use. :-(

I will let you know if I find a better solution.

--
Kendall F. Stratton III
Fort Fairfield, Maine USA
k3@(86_THE_SPAM)maine.rr.com
http://home.maine.rr.com/k3

"Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have!"
 
S

Steve H

Like George R. Young suggested, I'm gonna try loading one of the DOS
drive-sleeper utilities that I downloaded and see if it works.

I saw that mentioned - thought I'd let you try it out first ;)
I also have one of them-there removable caddy thingys (as my Data drive that
I'm trying to put to sleep), and might have to resort to pulling it out when
not in use. :-(

You'd have to do a shutdown though - things get very tense if you
remove an active ATA drive.
I will let you know if I find a better solution.

You know where to find me!

Regards,
 
K

K3

Steve H wrote:

You'd have to do a shutdown though - things get very tense if you
remove an active ATA drive.

I thought they were "Hot-Swappable" ?

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Kendall F. Stratton III
Fort Fairfield, Maine USA
k3@(86_THE_SPAM)maine.rr.com
http://home.maine.rr.com/k3

"Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have!"
 
S

Steve H

I thought they were "Hot-Swappable" ?

SCSI drives are - but not ATA. Don't know whether SATA drives are
though...academic though, 'cos I ain't got any!

Regards,
 
B

B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson

SCSI drives are - but not ATA. Don't know whether SATA drives are
though...academic though, 'cos I ain't got any!

It's part of the standard for SATA, but not necessarily implemented.
One has to check the whole system setup (chipset, controller, plugs,
and so on; OS, too) to tell if hot-plugging is supported.

BeAr
 
E

elaich

I've been searching for a small, stand-alone (preferred) utility to
put my second internal IDE HD to sleep when not in use.

I don't recommend this. Like most other electronic components, the biggest
wear and tear on hard drives is startup. They are designed to run
continually. Many computer experts consider "hibernate" to be the biggest
factor in HD failure.

Isn't it odd that drives lasted for 10 years or more before hibernate came
on the scene, but now 3 years or so is considered to be their life span?
 
J

James A. Smith

Ok it's been a long time since I used 98 but if you go into power settings
you should be able to have you hard drive spin down after a preset time such
as 15 mins.
 
S

Steve H

Ok it's been a long time since I used 98 but if you go into power settings
you should be able to have you hard drive spin down after a preset time such
as 15 mins.

Correct, but the problem in question is getting the secondary hard
drive only to spin down. The OS/Bios power management functions act
across all hard drive interfaces.

Regards,
 

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