publish to local problems

[Guest]

In a previous post, I mentioned not being able to access a web site that I am
to update. I have now gotten the correct password so can access it.
However, when I publish the site to my own computer, all the links are
broken, and things are missing from the web pages. I think I must be doing
something wrong, but I can't figure it out.
I click on open site, put in the ftp address, put in the login and password,
and get to the remote web site screen. I have tried selecting all the files
and then click publish, I've tried doing one file at a time... the files get
transferred over, but as I said, all the links are broken and it's just not
displaying correctly.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Amy

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

As previously stated your website DOES have FPSE installed so you should be
Publishing back to local using the http:// method - this is the easiest way.
So, if you used ftp on it now, you have in all likelyhood broken the FPSE
and should have them repaird before attempting to Publish via http://

To publish back to your hardrive;

Open FP
File | Open Site here you will enter http://www.goodshepherdmidland.org/
where upon you will be prompted for your un/pw and then WHERE to publish on
your hardrive. You can name it anything you want on your hardrive like:
FRED (no extension) so if you were publishing to a disc based location on
your hd it'd be something like C:\blahblahblah\My Webs\fred

if you're running IIS on your machine it would be http://localhost/fred

hth

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| In a previous post, I mentioned not being able to access a web site that I
am
| to update. I have now gotten the correct password so can access it.
| However, when I publish the site to my own computer, all the links are
| broken, and things are missing from the web pages. I think I must be doing
| something wrong, but I can't figure it out.
| I click on open site, put in the ftp address, put in the login and
password,
| and get to the remote web site screen. I have tried selecting all the
files
| and then click publish, I've tried doing one file at a time... the files
get
| transferred over, but as I said, all the links are broken and it's just
not
| displaying correctly.
| Thanks for any suggestions.
| Amy

 

[Guest]

No, the previous message said the web site does NOT have fpse installed. I
just went back and looked again.
I also found a microsoft troubleshooter for publishing problems with
frontpage, and got stuck at step 4 which was to verify the fpse... they do
not exist.
I am pounding my head against the desk... it feels better when I stop. =(

Thanks for helping... any more ideas? I do appreciate it!
Amy

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

oops...my apologies...dead and dying brain cells here!

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| No, the previous message said the web site does NOT have fpse installed. I
| just went back and looked again.
| I also found a microsoft troubleshooter for publishing problems with
| frontpage, and got stuck at step 4 which was to verify the fpse... they
do
| not exist.
| I am pounding my head against the desk... it feels better when I stop. =(
|
| Thanks for helping... any more ideas? I do appreciate it!
| Amy
|
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > As previously stated your website DOES have FPSE installed so you should
be
| > Publishing back to local using the http:// method - this is the easiest
way.
| > So, if you used ftp on it now, you have in all likelyhood broken the
FPSE
| > and should have them repaird before attempting to Publish via http://
| >
| > To publish back to your hardrive;
| >
| > Open FP
| > File | Open Site here you will enter
http://www.goodshepherdmidland.org/
| > where upon you will be prompted for your un/pw and then WHERE to publish
on
| > your hardrive. You can name it anything you want on your hardrive like:
| > FRED (no extension) so if you were publishing to a disc based location
on
| > your hd it'd be something like C:\blahblahblah\My Webs\fred
| >
| > if you're running IIS on your machine it would be http://localhost/fred
| >
| > hth
| >
| > --
| > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| > Rob Giordano
| > Microsoft MVP Expression
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | In a previous post, I mentioned not being able to access a web site
that I
| > am
| > | to update. I have now gotten the correct password so can access it.
| > | However, when I publish the site to my own computer, all the links are
| > | broken, and things are missing from the web pages. I think I must be
doing
| > | something wrong, but I can't figure it out.
| > | I click on open site, put in the ftp address, put in the login and
| > password,
| > | and get to the remote web site screen. I have tried selecting all the
| > files
| > | and then click publish, I've tried doing one file at a time... the
files
| > get
| > | transferred over, but as I said, all the links are broken and it's
just
| > not
| > | displaying correctly.
| > | Thanks for any suggestions.
| > | Amy
| >
| >
| >

 

[Guest]

It's ok.
I've been looking all day to find some help file or something to tell me how
to copy the web site onto my computer using ftp. I mean, how hard can it be?
but I can't find anything.

 

[Trevor Lawrence]

It's ok.
I've been looking all day to find some help file or something to tell me
how
to copy the web site onto my computer using ftp. I mean, how hard can it
be?
but I can't find anything.

Find a free FTP program
E.G.
http://www.smartftp.com/
http://www.coffeecup.com/free-ftp/
http://filezilla-project.org/

Then FTP the entire site back to a folder on your computer

But FrontPage will also allow you to do this

 

[Guest]

Trevor,
I know Front Page will do this. In my first message in this thread, I said
that I was trying to ftp the site to my local computer, but things ended up
broken and not displaying correctly in front page. I was not able to find
help online to enable me to figure out what was wrong.
Fortunately, my husband was able to help me. It turns out I was trying to
copy too much stuff from the server - there are a lot of duplicated and old
files on there that aren't even visible or used on the web site, and need to
be deleted. I only needed to copy the public html file and all its contents,
and not the other files.
Then I was able to see what the actual pages looked like in front page, and
they were correct except for not being linked together.
Then I had to add everything to the navigation page, and that finally fixed
the remainder of the problems.
Considering that I've never used front page before except for doing the
basic tutorial, I'm amazed that I figured it out at all. I didn't even know
enough to know what questions to ask, so that made it hard to get help.

Amy

 

[Trevor Lawrence]

Trevor,
I know Front Page will do this. In my first message in this thread, I said
that I was trying to ftp the site to my local computer, but things ended
up
broken and not displaying correctly in front page. I was not able to find
help online to enable me to figure out what was wrong.

I am glad it worked, although it a pity that FP didn't make it easy for
you.

For an FTP site, the FTP programs are a good alternative. I use them
interchangeably on my FT site (quoted below)

 

[Guest]

Trevor,
Part of the problem came about because although the web site was created
using Front Page, it had been updated by someone using Dreamweaver. That
person could not get Front Page to work for them - because they were not very
experienced in web updating, either. And now I am going to be using Front
Page, because that is what the church has, and neither I nor the church can
afford to buy Dreamweaver.
Anyway, due to the inexperience of the previous updaters, some things have
been put incorrectly onto the web site. I was trying to fetch a bunch of
folders and files that aren't even being used, and shouldn't even be there.
So I ended up with a lot of stuff that was duplicated, or just older versions
of the pages that are being used, so I was really confused. I could not get
pages to display correctly until I only copied the contents of the public
html file... and it took my husband telling me that for me to know it.
Adding to that problem was the fact that the pages were not linked to each
other once I got them on my machine. In other words, the navigation view
showed only the index page. Once I learned how to fix that, then the
navigation bar on the site's pages all displayed and worked correctly.

Things are going a little easier now, but I am still having to learn things
as I do them. For example, I learned yesterday that I should not open a
publisher document, copy text from it, and paste it into my web page. I
should first paste it into a text document, set up any paragraphs I want, and
then copy the plain text in. Or just copy it by typing it in... but for what
I was doing the copy/paste twice was faster. Of course, if I wanted the
entire document, I would have just saved it as a pdf and put it on the web
site that way, but I only needed a small portion of the document. Just doing
the copy/paste from publisher put a bunch of extra code into the page, of
course... and somehow some code (which did not look like html code) ended up
displaying when I viewed the page in Front Page. But when I previewed it in
my browser, that code was not visible. If I tried deleting that code, then
the words after it - that I wanted displayed - would not show up in the
preview in my browser. I finally got all the extra code deleted, and it's all
fine now, but that took me a little time. Well, I did learn from it, anyway,
and I won't make that mistake again! =)
It would have been helpful for me if there was a tutorial telling me how to
know which files I needed for the web site, since I did not create it.
I have not yet gotten information from the person who set up the web site,
or the company who is hosting the site, but perhaps that would help, too.

Thanks for the tips and help, anyway.
Amy

 

[Trevor Lawrence]

Trevor,
Part of the problem came about because although the web site was created
using Front Page, it had been updated by someone using Dreamweaver.

.............

Amy,
Thanks for the detailed description. I hope everything is going a bit better
now.
(Yes, one should not copy directly from Publisher or Word, but always via
Notepad first.)

Do you want someone to look at the final result?

If so, post the URL (the website's address) here. I for one, will be happy
to have a look

 

[Guest]

Feel free to take a look and provide feedback. Keep in mind that I did not
design the site, and have only updated a few items. I am aware of quite a few
things that need changing (such as on the News/Notes page, the newest file
should be at the top and oldest at the bottom - currently it's upside down).
I've got about 25 tasks lined up in FrontPage so far!
I am not going to be making changes to the basic layout of the site at this
time. One day in the future we may decide to give the site a new look, but
for now, I'm just cleaning up stuff and updating the stuff that changes
regularly.

The site address is: www.goodshepherdmidland.org

If anyone has trouble viewing things on the site, I would appreciate knowing
it, and knowing what type of browser you are using. I have a group of people
who have viewed the site in various browsers, and so far the main problem is
the condensed font is hard to read in browsers other than IE - and that is on
my list of things to change.

I'd also appreciate knowing if the page is "too slow" to load when using
dial-up.

Amy

 

[Trevor Lawrence]

Feel free to take a look and provide feedback.

Thanks, Amy
I like it. The navigation is good and all the pages present a consistent
look .

As you say, the font could be changed to something a bit more readable.
(Do others know the best font for readability - is it Arial 10 or 12 point
?)

One small point:
"Where Are We" did not include the name of the city or state. OK for those
who know you, but if they do, they'd also know where you are anyway <smile>
(I did find it was Midland Missouri, but I had to look for that in very
small print in the footnote.)

I can't comment on load time for dial up, but we here in Australia have a
very slow broadband (the subject of much fuss now it is election time). I am
on 1.25 MBPS and it loaded OK

 

[Ronx]

For readability on screen I would use Verdana (with Arial as second
choice) set to small or medium with a valid and complete !doctype.
"small" is equivalent to 10pt, "medium" is equivalent to 12pt using "out
of the box" browser settings.
Never use points for screen presentations - they are a print metric and
open to (mis)interpretation by browsers.

For printed documents, I would use a serif font such as Times New Roman,
again at 10pt or 12 pt. (Pts *are* relevant here.)

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the feedback. I am also getting feedback from friends who have
other browsers... Mozilla is causing the font on the announcement page to be
condensed, so it's nearly unreadable. So, I know the fonts need to be
changed... but with the theme applied and having other people update the
site, it's causing a little difficulty with some things (it might help if I
knew html but I am learning as I go).
I am planning to fix the where we are page, adding the address along the
top. (and it's Michigan, not Missouri, but I wouldn't expect a person from
Australia to know all the state abbreviations) =) I'm also going to check
in to linking to a google map, or having a picture of a google map... yet
more things on my task list.
Right now I am also trying to find out who actually receives the emails sent
to the address on the site - I sent an email yesterday to that address, and
have no reply yet, not even a bounce.
It's frustrating, because I didn't create the site, I haven't been updating
it, and so all I have is third-hand information, and I really need
information that should have been available right from the beginning... but
don't know where it is now!

Anyway... I appreciate the feedback, and I am continuing to make updates to
the site daily.

Amy

 

[Guest]

Ron,
I don't know what you mean by "a valid and comlete !doctype."
I do understand small and medium font choices vs. 10 or 12 pts, but haven't
yet looked at how to tell Front Page that's what I want to use. I might need
help with that.
Thanks for the feedback. And you are the second person to suggest Verdana.
Amy

 

[Trevor Lawrence]

Ron,
I don't know what you mean by "a valid and comlete !doctype."
I do understand small and medium font choices vs. 10 or 12 pts, but
haven't
yet looked at how to tell Front Page that's what I want to use. I might
need
help with that.
Thanks for the feedback. And you are the second person to suggest Verdana.
Amy

Ron,
Thanks for correcting out my advice re points - not to use them for the
screen, that is.

Amy.
Here is all you need to set the font and font size
body {
font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 100% ;
}

As Ron says, font-size can be small or medium or you can use a percentage -
any number will do, e.g. 125% if you want

The above CSS can be placed in between <style type="text/css"> and </style>

I notice that your page at http://www.goodshepherdmidland.org/index.html has
all the styles commented out. So you can experiment with my suggested CSS
code or any variant of it and see whether you like it or not

BTW,
It is probably better to put the CSS in a separate file, say
http://www.goodshepherdmidland.org/style.css
(Do not use the <style> </style> tags, just add the code itself)

Then in the <head> section of all your pages, use <link rel="stylesheet"
type="text/css" href="style.css" /> (instead of <style type="text/css">
..... </style>). The CSS in style.css will then apply to all pages where this
<link> tag exists

This is a valid doctype for HTML4.01 Strict
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

It is placed at the top of the page before the <html> tag

Reference http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html

 

[Guest]

Trevor,
Thanks for the information. Is this something I should still use even though
the site has a 'theme' applied to it? Will your advice interfere with that or
vice-versa? Should I make some change to the theme instead of what you
suggest?
As you can probably tell, I really don't understand how themes work.
I am having some other issues with the site but will start a new thread for
those. (Navigation bar issues)
Currently there is no style.css folder, though there are .css files in the
theme folder.

I will need to stick with the theme for now, even though I don't really
understand how it all works. I just don't want to mess that up by using your
suggestion if that will cause conflicts somehow. I don't mind changing the
fonts in the theme, but want to do it in the best way.
Thanks for the help, I will do some reading about the doctype stuff.
Amy

 

[Trevor Lawrence]

Trevor,
Thanks for the information. Is this something I should still use even
though
the site has a 'theme' applied to it? Will your advice interfere with that
or
vice-versa? Should I make some change to the theme instead of what you
suggest?
As you can probably tell, I really don't understand how themes work.
I am having some other issues with the site but will start a new thread
for
those. (Navigation bar issues)
Currently there is no style.css folder, though there are .css files in the
theme folder.

style.css would not be a folder but a file in the same folder as index.html

I will need to stick with the theme for now, even though I don't really
understand how it all works. I just don't want to mess that up by using
your
suggestion if that will cause conflicts somehow. I don't mind changing the
fonts in the theme, but want to do it in the best way.

Well, the theme affects the other CSS, so perhaps this is not the best way
to go for now.

BTW, I was wrong in saying that your styles are commented out.
What I saw was the html comment separators <!-- and --> which have no effect
at all on CSS. (I was having a grey - i.e. old - day)

Now that the site is back (maybe it was a fault at my end) I can have a look
again, and (maybe) make some constructive comments. I am not doing very well
so far