Public version of FTC/Rambus Initial decision released

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Tim Sullivan

http://www.ftc.gov/os/adjpro/d9302/index.htm
Text of Initial Decision of Chief Administrative Law Judge Stephen J.
McGuire [Public Version] [PDF 19MB]

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/02/rambusid.htm
Summary of the Initial Decision

In his initial decision, Judge McGuire stated that the issues at
question were:

(1) whether Rambus engaged in a pattern of deceptive, exclusionary
conduct by subverting an open standards process;

(2) whether Rambus used that conduct to capture a monopoly in
technology-related markets;

(3) whether Rambus' conduct violated antitrust law; and

(4) whether Rambus' conduct resulted in anticompetitive injury.

The decision states that Complaint Counsel failed to prove the
violations alleged in the Complaint. The decision states that on the
basis of the evidence Judge McGuire concluded:

"(1) the EIA/JEDEC patent policy encouraged the early, voluntary
disclosure of essential patents and Respondent did not violate this
policy; (2) the case law upon which Complaint Counsel rely to impose
antitrust liability is clearly distinguishable on the facts of this
case; (3) Respondent's conduct did not amount to deception and did not
violate any 'extrinsic duties,' such as a duty of good faith to
disclose relevant patent information; (4) Respondent did not have any
undisclosed patents or patent applications during the time that it was
a JEDEC member that it was obligated to disclose; (5) amendments to
broaden Respondent's patent applications while a member of JEDEC were
not improper, either as a matter of law or fact; (6) by having a
legitimate business justification for its actions, Respondent did not
engage in exclusionary conduct; (7) Respondent did not intentionally
mislead JEDEC by knowingly violating a JEDEC disclosure rule; (8)
there is no causal link between JEDEC standardization and Respondent's
acquisition of monopoly power; (9) members of JEDEC did not rely on
any alleged omission or misrepresentation by Respondent and, if they
had, such reliance would not have been reasonable; (10) the challenged
conduct did not result in anticompetitive effects, as Complaint
Counsel did not demonstrate that there were viable alternatives to
Respondent's superior technologies; (11) the challenged conduct did
not result in anticompetitive effects as the challenged conduct did
not result in higher prices to consumers; and (12) JEDEC is not locked
in to using Respondent's technologies in its current standardization
efforts."

"For these reasons, Complaint Counsel have failed to sustain their
burden to establish liability for the violations alleged. Accordingly,
the Complaint is DISMISSED," Judge McGuire wrote.

The Judge's initial decision is subject to review by the full
Commission, either on its own motion or at the request of either
party. The initial decision will become the decision of the Commission
30 days after it is served on the parties or 30 days after the filing
of a timely notice of appeal (whichever is later), unless: (1) a party
filing a notice of appeal perfects an appeal by the timely filing of
an appeal brief, or (2) the Commission takes certain other actions
detailed in its Rules.
 
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Stacey

The said:
So in short, we're all going to have to pay the Rambust tax on our
RAMs?

Say goodbye to cheap ram. Isn't it great when -LAWYERS- get our money like
this? Worthless bottom feeding scum of the earth who produce absolutely
nothing wothwhile to anyone except other Lawyers.
 
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Tim Sullivan

jack said:
<snip spam>

**** you and the horse you rode in on, troll. PLONK!

J.

Just 2 interesting snippets I thought you might enjoy. Be sure I will
post more especially more where the Judge implies that witnesses
against Rambus were not credible and came close to perjury.

--------------
824. The chairman of the meeting, Gordon Kelley, testified that prior
to the May 1992
meeting Crisp had spoken to him about the possibility of Rambus
scheduling a presentation
concerning DRAM design. (G. Kelley, Tr. 2553). G. Kelley also
testified that he had refused to
allow Rambus to present its technology for standardization at JEDEC on
this and another
occasion, even though he had never barred any other member company
tfom presenting its
technology. (G. Kelley, Tr. 2649-58).
825. G. Kelley had a clear confict of interest; he made and enforced
his unilateral
decision to bar Rambus from presenting its technology two weeks after
he wrote in an internal
company document that his company's interests were threatened by the
Rambus technology and
were best served if Rambus "fails to become standard." (R 279 at 7).
He did not disclose this
confict to Crisp or to anyone else. (G. Kelley, Tr. 2656-57).
---------------------------
Even witnesses who testified that there was an obligation to disclose
patent applications
failed to act in a manner consistent with their testimony. For
example, JEDEC Chairman Desi
Rhoden was a named inventor of a patent covering the SLDRAM standard.
F. 713. He failed to
disclose the patent application to JEDEC. F. 717. At trial, however,
Rhoden testified that even
non-members, including visiting guest scientists or engineers from
foreign countries, were
obligated to disclose their company s patents and patent applications
that were related in some
268
general way to a subject being discussed at JEDEC. F. 717. Under the
Gypsum rule, Rhoden
testimony, which was inconsistent with his actions, can be accorded
little, if any weight. See
Gypsum 333 US. at 395.
 
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The little lost angel

So in short, we're all going to have to pay the Rambust tax on our
RAMs?

I hope them Jedec fellows have anticipated the potential of a Rambus
victory and keep away from any Rambus stuff for DDR-2 and such.



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D

Dale Pontius

Just 2 interesting snippets I thought you might enjoy. Be sure I will
post more especially more where the Judge implies that witnesses
against Rambus were not credible and came close to perjury.

I have known Gordon Kelley for decades, though we've drifted out of
contact in recent years. He is a man of utmost integrity. Any apparent
lack thereof coming out of these court proceedings is, IMHO because
we have a LEGAL system and not a JUSTICE system, and such things as
plain-old honesty don't translate well when funneled though lawyers.

Dale Pontius
 
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The little lost angel

Say goodbye to cheap ram. Isn't it great when -LAWYERS- get our money like
this? Worthless bottom feeding scum of the earth who produce absolutely
nothing wothwhile to anyone except other Lawyers.

Let's be nice, I'm pretty sure there are some decent lawyers around...
I know some myself though a few of them have quitted the practise to
become teachers :ppPP

The problem is, I think the US legal system encourages the kind of
lawyers we love to hate.
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But keep in mind you pay extra bandwidth for their bloated code
 
J

jack

:
:: Say goodbye to cheap ram. Isn't it great when -LAWYERS- get our
:: money like this? Worthless bottom feeding scum of the earth who
:: produce absolutely nothing wothwhile to anyone except other Lawyers.
:
: Let's be nice, I'm pretty sure there are some decent lawyers around...

As a twist to that great gentleman, Will Rogers: "I've never met a
lawyer I didn't hate."


: I know some myself though a few of them have quitted the practise to
: become teachers :ppPP

LOL! Sort of like the mother virus producing an inexhaustible supply of
contagions....


:
: The problem is, I think the US legal system encourages the kind of
: lawyers we love to hate.

That Angel, is putting it **mildly**! The US legal system as it now
stands is **designed** to produce nothing but greedy, corrupt, lying
scumbags who do NOTHING to improve the quality of life for anyone
outside of said system. Really, when you think about it, they're quite
homologous to the Borg....but worse!

J.
-
 
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chrisv

"For these reasons, Complaint Counsel have failed to sustain their
burden to establish liability for the violations alleged. Accordingly,
the Complaint is DISMISSED," Judge McGuire wrote.

Well, maybe Rambust isn't QUITE as bad as they've been made out to be,
then. They're still scum, however. Recall how they threatened to
withhold SDRAM and DDR licenses from any company that challenged them
in court.
 
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Stacey

jack said:
The little lost angel <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: The problem is, I think the US legal system encourages the kind of
: lawyers we love to hate.

That Angel, is putting it **mildly**! The US legal system as it now
stands is **designed** to produce nothing but greedy, corrupt, lying
scumbags who do NOTHING to improve the quality of life for anyone
outside of said system. Really, when you think about it, they're quite
homologous to the Borg....but worse!


Exactly. A friend had a problem with a siding company. They wouldn't come
finish the job yet demanded full payment. He paid them, yet months later
they still never came and finished the job so he had to pay someone else
$5000 to finish the job. Lawyers got involved. My friend "won" $5000 from
the original company which the Laywer then kept for himself. Originally
said he'd do it for $500 (paid up front) yet after they won, claimed he put
in more hours than he planed and $5000 was his new fee. So then my friend
sued the Lawyer with a different Lawyer (another $500) and the judge
(another Lawyer) said this sounded fair to him for the Lawyer to keep the
settlement... So he was $1000 worse off then if he had done nothing and the
lawyers bwtween them, walked away with $6000. Whose quality of life was
improved?

My own dealing with Lawyers were the "If you pay me X, I know people in the
court house who can make this problem go away..." 20 years ago my DUI
paperwork "Got lost" after paying the Lawyer $1000, never even went to
court. If I found a Lawyer like this, you can imagine who the Rambus
Lawyers know?
 
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Stacey

Tim said:
Just 2 interesting snippets I thought you might enjoy. Be sure I will
post more especially more where the Judge implies

LOL

im*ply
Pronunciation: im-'plI
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): im*plied; im*ply*ing

1 obsolete : ENFOLD, ENTWINE
2 : to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary
consequence rather than by direct statement <rights imply obligations>
3 : to contain potentially
4 : to express indirectly <his silence implied consent>
 
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George Macdonald

So in short, we're all going to have to pay the Rambust tax on our
RAMs?

I wonder how much that'll actually be though. The wimps who are currently
paying for (DDR-)SDRAM have apparently accepted the 50 Rambus claims but
IIRC correctly they also make DRDRAM so may be paying a reduced amount.
The Infineon, and I assume the Micron, cases have been reduced to 4 claims,
one of which has been revoked by the EPTO. Three claims is not worth much
really and I expect the U.S. court to throw out at least one of them.
Makes ya wonder what the PRC courts will make of all this.:)
I hope them Jedec fellows have anticipated the potential of a Rambus
victory and keep away from any Rambus stuff for DDR-2 and such.

Sounds like it but... when you need to use fundamentals like DDR signalling
and DLLs??

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
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Tony Hill

So in short, we're all going to have to pay the Rambust tax on our
RAMs?

Not necessarily, I'm sure there are still plenty of legal battles to
go on this one. This is US law here, NOTHING is solved quickly or
easily (or without paying the lawyers BIG-$$$).
I hope them Jedec fellows have anticipated the potential of a Rambus
victory and keep away from any Rambus stuff for DDR-2 and such.

JEDEC has gone to great lengths to avoid any Rambus technology in ANY
future designs. Rambus has managed to thoroughly piss off ALL of
their customers, so given any choice at all I'm sure that companies
will avoid them. Unfortunately for the memory manufacturer's Rambus
has some rather broad patents and their lawyers have always argued
their patents cover every memory technology in existence.
 
T

Tony Hill

: The problem is, I think the US legal system encourages the kind of
: lawyers we love to hate.

That Angel, is putting it **mildly**! The US legal system as it now
stands is **designed** to produce nothing but greedy, corrupt, lying
scumbags who do NOTHING to improve the quality of life for anyone
outside of said system. Really, when you think about it, they're quite
homologous to the Borg....but worse!

"Resistance if futile. You will be assimilated... after you sign this
72-page release form in triplicate." :>
 
T

The little lost angel

: Let's be nice, I'm pretty sure there are some decent lawyers around...

As a twist to that great gentleman, Will Rogers: "I've never met a
lawyer I didn't hate."

Ok I admit my bias... my SO is on the way to become one :ppPppP

: I know some myself though a few of them have quitted the practise to
: become teachers :ppPP

LOL! Sort of like the mother virus producing an inexhaustible supply of
contagions....

Erm not quite really. They quitted because they didn't like the kind
of work they were doing, ethically speaking in some cases.


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T

Tim Sullivan

Tony Hill said:
Not necessarily, I'm sure there are still plenty of legal battles to
go on this one. This is US law here, NOTHING is solved quickly or
easily (or without paying the lawyers BIG-$$$).

Very true. The Virginia trial on remand from appeal against Infineon
is going very badly for Rambus. It appears Rambus will very soon be
going over the current Judges head back to the appeal court and ask
that some of the pre-trial decisions be struck out and that the Judge
be removed for bias. Basically the Judge believes, rightly or wrongly,
that even though Rambus did not technically commit fraud they still
attempted fraud. The Judge may be right, Rambus has most likely done
some things wrong, but he still has a duty to follow the law and
decisions of a higher court.
JEDEC has gone to great lengths to avoid any Rambus technology in ANY
future designs. Rambus has managed to thoroughly piss off ALL of
their customers, so given any choice at all I'm sure that companies
will avoid them. Unfortunately for the memory manufacturer's Rambus
has some rather broad patents and their lawyers have always argued
their patents cover every memory technology in existence.

Actually a big part of the FTC trial was to prevent Rambus suing for
infringement over DDR2 or any other future JEDEC standard that
contained Rambus' claimed(ie infringement not proven yet) IP. JEDEC
members stated they were locked into using Rambus' claimed IP in DDR2.
From the FTC trial it appears that if DDR infringes on Rambus patents
than DDR2 definately does as well.

From FTC ID:
For both the SDRAM and DDR standards, JEDEC considered and rejected
several alternatives that Complaint Counsel now assert JEDEC could
have adopted in lieu of the Rambus technologies. F. 1489-91. Even with
respect to the DDR2 standard development by JEDEC in and 2001 , such
work was done with full knowledge of Rambus' patents and demands for
royalties. F. 1494-97. Meeting minutes of the Future DRAM Task Group
show that JEDEC considered entirely different architectures for the
next generation DRAM, but ultimately adopted Rambus technologies. F.
1493 , 1502- , 1584. Thus, according to the theory of revealed
preference, the choices of JEDEC and DRAM manufacturers to use the
Rambus technologies where there were opportunities to use other
technologies, demonstrates that the technologies were superior to any
alternatives in cost/performance terms. F. 1486- 1518. As stated by
Gordon Kelly, JEDEC considered the available technologies and selected
what was considered the best.F. 1489.
 
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Robert Myers

"Resistance if futile. You will be assimilated... after you sign this
72-page release form in triplicate." :>

You are *way* behind the times.

Read the End User License Agreement and click "I accept" to proceed.

RM
 
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Robert Myers

I have known Gordon Kelley for decades, though we've drifted out of
contact in recent years. He is a man of utmost integrity. Any apparent
lack thereof coming out of these court proceedings is, IMHO because
we have a LEGAL system and not a JUSTICE system, and such things as
plain-old honesty don't translate well when funneled though lawyers.

It's hard for me to read the cited material as casting aspersions on
Mr. Kelley's behavior at trial. The judge did note that he had a
conflict of interest that he didn't disclose to JEDEC. To a layman,
that indicates that the judge was noting that, whether Mr. Kelley
noticed it or intended it or not, his own behavior in the past
undermined the position he intended to support with his testimony.
That's a long way from perjury.

It also doesn't follow that Mr. Kelley was acting in an improper
fashion at JEDEC. I would assume that nearly everyone participating
in such a body would have some kind of actual or potential conflict of
interest. Expecting everyone to disclose every business judgment they
may have about technical matters on the table would probably result in
standards bodies with no meaningful participation.

RM
 
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Tony Hill

You are *way* behind the times.

Read the End User License Agreement and click "I accept" to proceed.

Actually it's become even worse. Now it's a "By opening the shrink
wrap you have agreed to the license... that just happens to be inside
the shrink wrapped package."

Not that such end-user licenses would be entirely enforceable, but
it's quite pathetic that companies would even try such nonsense. You
have to agree to a license JUST so that you can READ the license in
the first place?
 
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The little lost angel

Actually it's become even worse. Now it's a "By opening the shrink
wrap you have agreed to the license... that just happens to be inside
the shrink wrapped package."

I'm not sure how the laws are in the US but here if the contract isn't
visible/readable at the point of acceptance then it is invalid. Kinda
like it's illegal to put the signboard saying $1000 per entry parking
on the inside wall of a underground parking complex.
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