Product Key question

B

Brian Gotjunk

A friend just purchased a used computer from his work place, but did not get
any software with it. The computer has an XP Product ID label attached to
it.

I am wondering if it is possible for me to do a complete re-install of XP
using my XP setup cd, but when it asks for the Product ID enter the Product
ID that is on the label on his computer?

Does an install of XP look to see if the Product ID entered corresponds to
the ID on the install cd, and if they don't match does not continue the
install?
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

No. The Product Key affixed to your friend's computer
is only valid with the computer manufacturer's recovery
method. He'll need to contact the computer manufacturer
and order the proper Windows XP recovery CD. Otherwise,
he'll need to purchase a conventional "Full Version" of
Windows XP.

How to replace lost, broken, or missing Microsoft software or hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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:

| A friend just purchased a used computer from his work place, but did not get
| any software with it. The computer has an XP Product ID label attached to
| it.
|
| I am wondering if it is possible for me to do a complete re-install of XP
| using my XP setup cd, but when it asks for the Product ID enter the Product
| ID that is on the label on his computer?
|
| Does an install of XP look to see if the Product ID entered corresponds to
| the ID on the install cd, and if they don't match does not continue the
| install?
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Brian said:
A friend just purchased a used computer from his work place, but
did not get any software with it. The computer has an XP Product ID
label attached to it.

I am wondering if it is possible for me to do a complete re-install
of XP using my XP setup cd, but when it asks for the Product ID
enter the Product ID that is on the label on his computer?

Does an install of XP look to see if the Product ID entered
corresponds to the ID on the install cd, and if they don't match
does not continue the install?

If you happen to have a plain-jane OEM Windows XP CD - it will probably
work.
If not - doubtful that key will fit anything you have.
 
B

Brian Gotjunk

Shenan said:
If you happen to have a plain-jane OEM Windows XP CD - it will probably
work.
If not - doubtful that key will fit anything you have.

It is an XP Home Edition Upgrade cd
 
D

Don Schmidt

The first thing you ought to do is verify your Product Key. You can get it
out of your computer with either BelArc Advisor or Keyfinder by Magical
Jelly Bean Software.

http://www.belarc.com/

http://www.magicaljellybean.com/

You will need the version of Windows that's installed to use the Product Key
and you will need a previous version of Windows during the install of the
Upgrade.
If you have neither you may want to get the full version of Windows of any
version you could live with.
 
M

Michael Stevens

In
Brian Gotjunk said:
It is an XP Home Edition Upgrade cd

Won't work. He needs to purchase a retail full version or an OEM version.
Unless the software and documents are transfered with the computer the key
is technically invalid. Physically it can be used with a correct OEM
version.
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
 
B

Brian Gotjunk

Don said:
The first thing you ought to do is verify your Product Key. You can get it
out of your computer with either BelArc Advisor or Keyfinder by Magical
Jelly Bean Software.

http://www.belarc.com/

http://www.magicaljellybean.com/

You will need the version of Windows that's installed to use the Product Key
and you will need a previous version of Windows during the install of the
Upgrade.
If you have neither you may want to get the full version of Windows of any
version you could live with.
The machine is an HP so would have an OEM version, so it seems what I
have will not work. I will contact HP to see about acquiring a recovery
set of disks.

Thanks for all the help
 
G

Guest

I have a dell 2400 dimension, that came with home xp that i have reinstalled
a few times, the lastest install was in my daughters compaq 1500, and I used
the key attached to my dell, no problem.

This is not advise, only my experience with it
JMB
 
S

Shenan Stanley

jmbliss said:
I have a dell 2400 dimension, that came with home xp that i have
reinstalled a few times, the lastest install was in my daughters
compaq 1500, and I used the key attached to my dell, no problem.

This is not advise, only my experience with it

You realize that to some people on this newsgroup, you have admitted to
improperly using the software according the license agreed to by you?

No one said the technical aspect (of it functioning) was impossible - only
that when you use the product - you have supposedly read and agreed to [by
your continued use (whether you bothered to read or not)] the EULA - which
restricts your use in many ways.

Legalities aside, if I was to loan you my car, ask you to use only
high-octane fuel and you put a lower grade fuel in it (for whatever reason)
and I found out (however) - you wouldn't be borrowing my car anymore at the
very least. *grin*
 
G

Guest

hey, lighten up, like I said it was my experience, not advice, I guess I
missed the part of the "functionality issue" and I suppose I have
misunderstood what a newsgroup is, The eula? oops! I'll send an apology
letter to Bill, how's that.????.....so sorry newsgroup--and Mr Stanley,
wouldn't it be more helpful and a better use of your time and expertise to
post some answers to questions than to be so concerned about my legality
issues?? :)
JMB


Shenan Stanley said:
jmbliss said:
I have a dell 2400 dimension, that came with home xp that i have
reinstalled a few times, the lastest install was in my daughters
compaq 1500, and I used the key attached to my dell, no problem.

This is not advise, only my experience with it

You realize that to some people on this newsgroup, you have admitted to
improperly using the software according the license agreed to by you?

No one said the technical aspect (of it functioning) was impossible - only
that when you use the product - you have supposedly read and agreed to [by
your continued use (whether you bothered to read or not)] the EULA - which
restricts your use in many ways.

Legalities aside, if I was to loan you my car, ask you to use only
high-octane fuel and you put a lower grade fuel in it (for whatever reason)
and I found out (however) - you wouldn't be borrowing my car anymore at the
very least. *grin*
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Shenan Stanley wrote:
jmbliss said:
I have a dell 2400 dimension, that came with home xp that i have
reinstalled a few times, the lastest install was in my daughters
compaq 1500, and I used the key attached to my dell, no problem.

This is not advise, only my experience with it
You realize that to some people on this newsgroup, you have
admitted to improperly using the software according the license
agreed to by you?

No one said the technical aspect (of it functioning) was
impossible - only that when you use the product - you have
supposedly read and agreed to [by your continued use (whether you
bothered to read or not)] the EULA - which restricts your use in
many ways.

Legalities aside, if I was to loan you my car, ask you to use only
high-octane fuel and you put a lower grade fuel in it (for
whatever reason) and I found out (however) - you wouldn't be
borrowing my car anymore at the very least. *grin*
hey, lighten up, like I said it was my experience, not advice, I
guess I missed the part of the "functionality issue" and I suppose
I have misunderstood what a newsgroup is, The eula? oops! I'll
send an apology letter to Bill, how's that.????.....so sorry
newsgroup--and Mr Stanley, wouldn't it be more helpful and a better
use of your time and expertise to post some answers to questions
than to be so concerned about my legality issues?? :)

I believe you are the one who needs to "lighten up" in this case. You act
as if you have been accused. You have not - you admitted your experience
and I commented on it - nothing more.

The newsgroups are to discuss topics - and in the case of these particular
newsgroups - provide correct information towards the solution of problems
others may be having. You presented your "situation" and I presented the
"my take" on your situation and what you had posted. Nothing more. I did
not accuse you of anything - only informed you of the gist (not legality) of
your message. You freely admitted to using the CD/installation in a method
against the wording of the EULA it comes with. I presented - in example -
that while that may not be legally binding in practice - it could be
considered "wrong" by others.

While things may be technically plausible - this doesn't mean they
should/should not be done. I have presented many times (a search of the
google groups would show this) that changing/using the CD over and over -
using another CD with a different key, moving an OEM copy from one system to
another is "technically plausible". What the end-user does - in the end -
is up to their ability and is their choice. Most people do not consider
software in the same light as they do a physical possession - when it
possibly should be.

I could care less how you lead your life, what you do with your OEM copies
of operating system and software, etc - but you presented an example - an
experience - on a newsgroup for discussion - so I discussed. Don't want it
discussed? Don't post it on a worldwide distributed newsgroup. ;-)

I thank you for presenting (again) the proof that some things are
technically possible with the different versions of software. That the main
difference in most Windows XP CDs (OEM, Retail, Upgrade, MSDN, volume
license, etc) are more one of "an agreement between the end-user and the
company that made the product" than actual physical attributes.
 
G

Guest

well put.

and by the way, did i say I did not want anything discussed? and i certainly
did not take that as an accusation, if I did, well than I suppose that's my
problem, isn't it?

and thank you so much for the link to "how to ask questions the smart" I
wouldn't want to ask questions the dumb way..
--
JMB


Shenan Stanley said:
Shenan Stanley wrote:
jmbliss said:
I have a dell 2400 dimension, that came with home xp that i have
reinstalled a few times, the lastest install was in my daughters
compaq 1500, and I used the key attached to my dell, no problem.

This is not advise, only my experience with it
You realize that to some people on this newsgroup, you have
admitted to improperly using the software according the license
agreed to by you?

No one said the technical aspect (of it functioning) was
impossible - only that when you use the product - you have
supposedly read and agreed to [by your continued use (whether you
bothered to read or not)] the EULA - which restricts your use in
many ways.

Legalities aside, if I was to loan you my car, ask you to use only
high-octane fuel and you put a lower grade fuel in it (for
whatever reason) and I found out (however) - you wouldn't be
borrowing my car anymore at the very least. *grin*
hey, lighten up, like I said it was my experience, not advice, I
guess I missed the part of the "functionality issue" and I suppose
I have misunderstood what a newsgroup is, The eula? oops! I'll
send an apology letter to Bill, how's that.????.....so sorry
newsgroup--and Mr Stanley, wouldn't it be more helpful and a better
use of your time and expertise to post some answers to questions
than to be so concerned about my legality issues?? :)

I believe you are the one who needs to "lighten up" in this case. You act
as if you have been accused. You have not - you admitted your experience
and I commented on it - nothing more.

The newsgroups are to discuss topics - and in the case of these particular
newsgroups - provide correct information towards the solution of problems
others may be having. You presented your "situation" and I presented the
"my take" on your situation and what you had posted. Nothing more. I did
not accuse you of anything - only informed you of the gist (not legality) of
your message. You freely admitted to using the CD/installation in a method
against the wording of the EULA it comes with. I presented - in example -
that while that may not be legally binding in practice - it could be
considered "wrong" by others.

While things may be technically plausible - this doesn't mean they
should/should not be done. I have presented many times (a search of the
google groups would show this) that changing/using the CD over and over -
using another CD with a different key, moving an OEM copy from one system to
another is "technically plausible". What the end-user does - in the end -
is up to their ability and is their choice. Most people do not consider
software in the same light as they do a physical possession - when it
possibly should be.

I could care less how you lead your life, what you do with your OEM copies
of operating system and software, etc - but you presented an example - an
experience - on a newsgroup for discussion - so I discussed. Don't want it
discussed? Don't post it on a worldwide distributed newsgroup. ;-)

I thank you for presenting (again) the proof that some things are
technically possible with the different versions of software. That the main
difference in most Windows XP CDs (OEM, Retail, Upgrade, MSDN, volume
license, etc) are more one of "an agreement between the end-user and the
company that made the product" than actual physical attributes.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

jmbliss said:
well put.

and by the way, did i say I did not want anything discussed? and i
certainly did not take that as an accusation, if I did, well than I
suppose that's my problem, isn't it?

and thank you so much for the link to "how to ask questions the
smart" I wouldn't want to ask questions the dumb way..

It was not directed to you, as it is a part of my signature.. But I believe
many people could learn from it.

How many times have you heard...

"My car won't start.. can you help me out?"
"I didn't do ANYTHING to my computer since you were here last.." (Note that
you were there 6 months ago.)

And the list goes on..

A few specifics given about your problem in a question can go a long way to
getting help in resolving them.
No specifics given about your problem in a question keeps you in the midst
of the same problem.
 

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