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[Douglas J. Steele]

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question posed
to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar", but
when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't answer the
question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John of
lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't feel he
deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the MVPs are, and
they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the title of MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91

 

[John Marshall, MVP]

I have never said I deserved to be a MVP. Can you post a link proving
otherwise? So I can add this to the list of times you have libelled me?

If you ask most of the Access MVPs, you will find that they also do not
believe they deserve the MVP awards. They help in the Access community
because they want to, not to get an award. The benefits of the MVP award are
insignificant compared to the effort that was being recognized.

The MVP award is just recognition from Microsoft that Microsoft appreciate
the help these individuals have done in their communities assisting users
over the past year.

John... Visio MVP

 

[John Marshall, MVP]

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

Sorry Doug, he can't. He's still regressing.

John... Visio MVP

 

[Andy]

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and Marshall's
posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar", but
when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't answer the
question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the MVPs
are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the title of
MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!

 

[Rob Oldfield]

Andy (does irony come any more ironic?)

Your arguments make no sense. In fact, they're not actually arguments.
You've been asked twice (at least) now to explain exactly what lie you
caught John in, and you haven't done anything about it.

Can I just remind you of something: you want the newsgroup to condemn John
(and Arno). If that's the case then why not just come out and say what the
lie is? This will be good for your cause, agreed? Because none of the rest
of us have any idea what it is.

Now I know that you're either just going to ignore this, or possibly just
tell me that I'm being venomous again, but can you not see what any
independent person is going to make of your refusal to say what that lie is?

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and Marshall's
posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar", but
when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't answer the
question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the MVPs
are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the title of
MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!


And the lie is?

John... Visio MVP


You're not only a venomous jerk, you're also a venomous boldface liar.
You're a disgrace to all MVPs!!!!

 

[Douglas J. Steele]

Steve, or Andy, or whichever persona you're using today.

I've read the entire thread. John said nothing that can remotely be
perceived as a lie. His first post in the thread was:

Nice job in cancelling the good will you created in the message he replied
to.

These newsgroups were provided by Microsoft for free peer to peer support,
not as a means for you to make money. These newsgroups are filled with
better qualified Access developers, who have the professionalism to
respect the spirit of these newsgroups.

I'll acknowledge that the first sentence was only an assumption on John's
part that you had cancelled the good. Even though Paul indicated that he was
not offended by your post, that does not make John's assumption "a lie".

The next sentence (that "These newsgroups were provided by Microsoft for
free peer to peer support, not as a means for you to make money") is
absolutely correct (and the source of so much antipathy towards you)

While saying that "These newsgroups are filled with better qualified Access
developers" cannot be be quantified, again it cannot be called "a lie"
either.

His next post was

You should reread your own message, your name is missing.

which is, of course, absolutely correct (unless your real name is "PC
Database", which we know it isn't)

In his third post, he said

I did, but he was taking you at your word. You said your name was on the
post and he believed you. The only name in your post was Paul's. So since
you can not dispute the facts, you choose to insult?

So should I add this to the long list of apologies you will never make?

Again, no lies there.

He then asked

And the lie is?

to which you have posted no answer.

Finally, he posted:

I have never said I deserved to be a MVP. Can you post a link proving
otherwise? So I can add this to the list of times you have libelled me?

If you ask most of the Access MVPs, you will find that they also do not
believe they deserve the MVP awards. They help in the Access community
because they want to, not to get an award. The benefits of the MVP award
are insignificant compared to the effort that was being recognized.

The MVP award is just recognition from Microsoft that Microsoft appreciate
the help these individuals have done in their communities assisting users
over the past year.

which I don't see as containing any falsehoods.

What "lie" did John allegedly get caught in?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and
Marshall's posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar", but
when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't answer the
question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the MVPs
are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the title of
MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!


And the lie is?

John... Visio MVP


You're not only a venomous jerk, you're also a venomous boldface liar.
You're a disgrace to all MVPs!!!!

 

[StopThisAdvertising]

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and Marshall's
posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

Andy,
Did I hear someone shout something like "SHIT !!!" very loud ???

Or was it "DATASHIT ???"

Difficult to use the right account isn't it Steve ??
Hmmm, caught in a lie ....

Arno R

 

[Andy]

Paul,

If you look closely, my name is right under my message in my previous
response to you.

Steve
--------------------------------------
You should reread your own message, your name is missing.

John... Visio MVP
---------------------
Steve,

Sorry about that. It was one of those things where I was reading too
fast. (Got forms to turn out, you know.)

- Paul
-----------------------------------
I did, but he was taking you at your word. You said your name was on the
post and he believed you. The only name in your post was Paul's. So since
you can not dispute the facts, you choose to insult?

So should I add this to the long list of apologies you will never make?

John... Visio MVP

The venom in his blood blurred his intelligence!! Now look again, my name is
right under the message. Apparently the venom in your blood blurs your
vision too. Is this the way you write for publication, with a blurred
vision?

Steve, or Andy, or whichever persona you're using today.

I've read the entire thread. John said nothing that can remotely be
perceived as a lie. His first post in the thread was:

Nice job in cancelling the good will you created in the message he
replied to.

These newsgroups were provided by Microsoft for free peer to peer
support, not as a means for you to make money. These newsgroups are
filled with better qualified Access developers, who have the
professionalism to respect the spirit of these newsgroups.

I'll acknowledge that the first sentence was only an assumption on John's
part that you had cancelled the good. Even though Paul indicated that he
was not offended by your post, that does not make John's assumption "a
lie".

The next sentence (that "These newsgroups were provided by Microsoft for
free peer to peer support, not as a means for you to make money") is
absolutely correct (and the source of so much antipathy towards you)

While saying that "These newsgroups are filled with better qualified
Access developers" cannot be be quantified, again it cannot be called "a
lie" either.

His next post was

You should reread your own message, your name is missing.

which is, of course, absolutely correct (unless your real name is "PC
Database", which we know it isn't)

In his third post, he said

I did, but he was taking you at your word. You said your name was on the
post and he believed you. The only name in your post was Paul's. So since
you can not dispute the facts, you choose to insult?

So should I add this to the long list of apologies you will never make?

Again, no lies there.

He then asked

And the lie is?

to which you have posted no answer.

Finally, he posted:

I have never said I deserved to be a MVP. Can you post a link proving
otherwise? So I can add this to the list of times you have libelled me?

If you ask most of the Access MVPs, you will find that they also do not
believe they deserve the MVP awards. They help in the Access community
because they want to, not to get an award. The benefits of the MVP award
are insignificant compared to the effort that was being recognized.

The MVP award is just recognition from Microsoft that Microsoft
appreciate the help these individuals have done in their communities
assisting users over the past year.

which I don't see as containing any falsehoods.

What "lie" did John allegedly get caught in?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and
Marshall's posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to
rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar",
but when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't
answer the question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the
MVPs are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the
title of MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)



That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!


And the lie is?

John... Visio MVP


You're not only a venomous jerk, you're also a venomous boldface
liar. You're a disgrace to all MVPs!!!!

 

[Andy]

First of all, it's not any more than several MVPs are doing!!!

Now look at my response to Doug.

Andy (does irony come any more ironic?)

Your arguments make no sense. In fact, they're not actually arguments.
You've been asked twice (at least) now to explain exactly what lie you
caught John in, and you haven't done anything about it.

Can I just remind you of something: you want the newsgroup to condemn John
(and Arno). If that's the case then why not just come out and say what
the
lie is? This will be good for your cause, agreed? Because none of the
rest
of us have any idea what it is.

Now I know that you're either just going to ignore this, or possibly just
tell me that I'm being venomous again, but can you not see what any
independent person is going to make of your refusal to say what that lie
is?

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and Marshall's
posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar", but
when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't answer the
question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused
John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the MVPs
are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the title of
MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)



That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!


And the lie is?

John... Visio MVP


You're not only a venomous jerk, you're also a venomous boldface liar.
You're a disgrace to all MVPs!!!!

 

[Rob Oldfield]

And that's it? Your idea of a 'venomous boldfaced lie' is that John screwed
up and (I assume) looked at your first reply in this thread instead of the
second? It's not up to much is it? Anyway, I'm sure that John, now that
he's been alerted to the enormity of his sins, will be happy to apologise
for this piece of gross character assassination. Provided, I assume, that
he can figure out who it is that he's supposed to be apologising to.

(If I was going to come up with a good lie, I'd certainly try to make it a
bit more interesting - for example, Mr Steele's predilection for getting his
wife to dress up as a sheep.)

Seriously Steve, are you really taking this 'lie' that seriously? If that
is the case then I'd have to say again, get some help.

Paul,

If you look closely, my name is right under my message in my previous
response to you.

Steve
--------------------------------------
You should reread your own message, your name is missing.

John... Visio MVP
---------------------
Steve,

Sorry about that. It was one of those things where I was reading too
fast. (Got forms to turn out, you know.)

- Paul
-----------------------------------
I did, but he was taking you at your word. You said your name was on the
post and he believed you. The only name in your post was Paul's. So since
you can not dispute the facts, you choose to insult?

So should I add this to the long list of apologies you will never make?

John... Visio MVP

The venom in his blood blurred his intelligence!! Now look again, my name is
right under the message. Apparently the venom in your blood blurs your
vision too. Is this the way you write for publication, with a blurred
vision?

Steve, or Andy, or whichever persona you're using today.

I've read the entire thread. John said nothing that can remotely be
perceived as a lie. His first post in the thread was:

Nice job in cancelling the good will you created in the message he
replied to.

These newsgroups were provided by Microsoft for free peer to peer
support, not as a means for you to make money. These newsgroups are
filled with better qualified Access developers, who have the
professionalism to respect the spirit of these newsgroups.

I'll acknowledge that the first sentence was only an assumption on John's
part that you had cancelled the good. Even though Paul indicated that he
was not offended by your post, that does not make John's assumption "a
lie".

The next sentence (that "These newsgroups were provided by Microsoft for
free peer to peer support, not as a means for you to make money") is
absolutely correct (and the source of so much antipathy towards you)

While saying that "These newsgroups are filled with better qualified
Access developers" cannot be be quantified, again it cannot be called "a
lie" either.

His next post was

You should reread your own message, your name is missing.

which is, of course, absolutely correct (unless your real name is "PC
Database", which we know it isn't)

In his third post, he said

I did, but he was taking you at your word. You said your name was on the
post and he believed you. The only name in your post was Paul's. So since
you can not dispute the facts, you choose to insult?

So should I add this to the long list of apologies you will never make?

Again, no lies there.

He then asked

And the lie is?

to which you have posted no answer.

Finally, he posted:

I have never said I deserved to be a MVP. Can you post a link proving
otherwise? So I can add this to the list of times you have libelled me?

If you ask most of the Access MVPs, you will find that they also do not
believe they deserve the MVP awards. They help in the Access community
because they want to, not to get an award. The benefits of the MVP award
are insignificant compared to the effort that was being recognized.

The MVP award is just recognition from Microsoft that Microsoft
appreciate the help these individuals have done in their communities
assisting users over the past year.

which I don't see as containing any falsehoods.

What "lie" did John allegedly get caught in?

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and
Marshall's posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve


In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to
rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar",
but when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't
answer the question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the
MVPs are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the
title of MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)



That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!


And the lie is?

John... Visio MVP


You're not only a venomous jerk, you're also a venomous boldface
liar. You're a disgrace to all MVPs!!!!

 

[John Marshall, MVP]

Steve, Andy or whatever name you are trying to hide behind, what is the lie
was?

John... Visio MVP

Doug,

You didn't bother to read Paul Schrum's post, my post to him and
Marshall's posts!!!

John Marshall knew he had been caught in a lie!

Steve

In the thread labelled "Progression Bar", you wrote the following to rkc:

"You think your [sic] a big man but you can't even answer the question
posed to you!!"

In this thread, you accused John of being "a venomous boldface liar", but
when he politely asked you what lie he had written, you didn't answer the
question.

Shouldn't you abide by the same rules you expect others to?

And in case you're going to try and say that the reason you accused John
of lying is because his signature says that he's an MVP, and you don't
feel he deserves that title, be aware that Microsoft decides who the MVPs
are, and they have decided (yet again) that he "deserve(s) the title of
MVP"
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=5f16b0d7-8748-49eb-a5be-cdbc003f9b91


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP

(no e-mails, please!)

That you deserve the title of MVP!!!!


And the lie is?

John... Visio MVP


You're not only a venomous jerk, you're also a venomous boldface liar.
You're a disgrace to all MVPs!!!!

 

[John Marshall, MVP]

And which name is that? If you go back and look at the message Paul replied
to with "Whoever", there is no mention of Steve or Andy.

John... Visio MVP

 

[John Marshall, MVP]

I would agologize if I was wrong, but Paul's mention of "Whoever" (Nov 5 at
4:57PM) was to Steve/Andy/PCD's first reply in this thread (Nov 5 at
3:40PM). I've gone back and looked at S/A/P's message and the only name
mentioned is Paul.

Just in case, the message I downloaded had been infected with the Id-10-T
virus that strips off signatures, I have my bags pack for a quick trip to
Mecca for penance.

John... Visio MVP

 

[Rob Oldfield]

Aaaah. But Steve's talking about his second reply, where his name is there.

(...sheesh... am I really getting that anal that I'm posting that?)