Print Screen button

[KenK]

Is there any way to get the Print Screen button on the keyboard to work
like it did in the old versions of Windows - or was it DOS? That would be
very handy - especially when File>Print Preview gives you a different
screen than the one displayed that you don't like and the screen has
material you can't copy and paste into your WP.

TIA

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

Is there any way to get the Print Screen button on the keyboard to work
like it did in the old versions of Windows - or was it DOS? That would be
very handy - especially when File>Print Preview gives you a different
screen than the one displayed that you don't like and the screen has
material you can't copy and paste into your WP.

TIA

The print screen button copies the screen to temp memory.
You then have to paste it into a picture viewer.
I use it almost daily on XP and W7.

 

[micky]

Maybe in DOS it printed directly, but i thought in win3.1, it just
copied it to the clipboard. Maybe I'm wrong.

OR paste it into Wordpad, and then you can print it (I do that a bit, too).

Or all but the oldest email programs**.

FTR Prnt-Scrn will do all these things with the entire screen.
Alt-Prnt-Scrn will do them with the active (highlighted) window only.


**This reminds me of my recent thread in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows ,

Sending large emails to Eudora from Verizon
March 4, 2014

It turns out if you send 3 screen images, or even I think only one,
in-line screen images (as opposed to attached) from the Verizon email
web interface, when Eudora receives and looks at the images, it doesn't
know how to display them and you have to move the email to the web
browser (one step), but if you send the same things from Eudora via
Verizon, Eudora will read them fine.

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

OR paste it into Wordpad, and then you can print it (I do that a bit, too).

Yup! I forgot about that one. It works quite well.

 

[Good Guy]

Is there any way to get the Print Screen button on the keyboard to work
like it did in the old versions of Windows - or was it DOS? That would be
very handy - especially when File>Print Preview gives you a different
screen than the one displayed that you don't like and the screen has
material you can't copy and paste into your WP.

TIA

You can download a free program called Jing and it works in Windows XP
and later but in Windows 7 and Windows 8 you have got what is called
Snipping Tool that does a very good job.

For XP you need Jing from this link:

<http://www.techsmith.com/download/jing/>

Techsmith is a very reputable company so you are safe with them.

 

[Good Guy]

Looks interesting, although it requires NET Framework 4.0 (yet another
albatross .

There is nothing wrong wrong with .Net Framework. All commercial
windows programs require some form of framework so that programmers can
create small programs without bloating them with all sorts of things for
their menu system and dialog boxes.

..Net Framework has got all the basic layout of Windows system so
programmers can concentrate on the core features of their work rather
than getting involved with Menu system that is already done by Microsoft.

 

[Henry]

Hit Print Screen (or Alt Print Screen for just the window with the blue
header) and that puts a copy of the screen into your clipboard. Then open
Paint and hit paste and the screen will appear in Paint and you can
manipulate it and save it from there. Also works to paste into Word.

 

[casey.o]

There is nothing wrong wrong with .Net Framework. All commercial
windows programs require some form of framework so that programmers can
create small programs without bloating them with all sorts of things for
their menu system and dialog boxes.

.Net Framework has got all the basic layout of Windows system so
programmers can concentrate on the core features of their work rather
than getting involved with Menu system that is already done by Microsoft.

WITHOUT GETTING REAL TECHNICAL, In a few sentences, What does Net
Framework actually do? OK, you said it's for programmers, and that is
fine for them. But I downloaded some small program recently, and when I
ran the installer, it told me I need Net Framework, and proceeded to
start a 200meg download. I ended it right then, because on dialup, 200
megs is not gonna happen. Even with a good dialup speed on Win98, my
ISP disconnects me every so often, or maybe it's a phone line issue, but
I wont even try downloads over 40 to 50 megs. Plus I might need to use
the phone....

Anyhow, I'm not a programmer, so why do I need this huge program on my
computer, just to run a small program? And besides using up a lot of my
drive space, wont something this big slow down my computer? That's darn
near as big as the XP install files.....

 

[casey.o]

Yup! I forgot about that one. It works quite well.

Maybe I'm not understanding what the OP wants to do, but if there is
something on a webpage that cant be saved any other way, I use Paint
Shop Pro. (dont laugh, version 3.12, which is really old). You can save
anything as a graphic using the CAPTURE feature. If yiou ever see a
picture that you want to save, and get some damn script telling you "You
cant save this image", just use PSP and capture it.

I use PSP 3.12 because it was free back then, and the 3.12 version
captures better than their newer versions, and lacks a lot of bloat on
their later paid versions. I have some of their newer versions too, but
the mouse gestures dont always cooperate as well as they do on ver 3.12.
BTW, there was a 16 bit and a 32 bit for version 3.12 (for Win3.x or
Win95). Get the 32 bit. You'll probably find it in www.oldapps.com.
It's only about a 2 meg download.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>,

(Yes, IrfanView for example.)

Or Word, if you must.

Maybe I'm not understanding what the OP wants to do, but if there is
something on a webpage that cant be saved any other way, I use Paint
Shop Pro. (dont laugh, version 3.12, which is really old). You can save
anything as a graphic using the CAPTURE feature. If yiou ever see a
picture that you want to save, and get some damn script telling you "You
cant save this image", just use PSP and capture it.

I use PSP 3.12 because it was free back then, and the 3.12 version
captures better than their newer versions, and lacks a lot of bloat on
their later paid versions. I have some of their newer versions too, but
the mouse gestures dont always cooperate as well as they do on ver 3.12.
BTW, there was a 16 bit and a 32 bit for version 3.12 (for Win3.x or
Win95). Get the 32 bit. You'll probably find it in www.oldapps.com.
It's only about a 2 meg download.

IrfanView also has a screen capture facility; I don't know if it gets
round things that won't let you capture with the PrtSc button. I presume
it must otherwise I'm not sure why it's there, though it could be just
more versatile (let you select area or something). [As you can probably
tell, I've never played with it.]

(By the way, yes, in DOS, it did indeed actually print the screen -
though if you were in anything other than a character mode, the results
were unpredictable to say the least.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't enjoy being told to have a good timem so I'm wary of that aspect of
the festive season - I like being spontaneous. That said, I suppose I like
Christmas and New Year. - Rod Stewart, in Radio Times 8-14 December 2012.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Good Guy wrote: []

There is nothing wrong wrong with .Net Framework. All commercial
windows programs require some form of framework so that programmers can
create small programs without bloating them with all sorts of things for
their menu system and dialog boxes.

.Net Framework has got all the basic layout of Windows system so
programmers can concentrate on the core features of their work rather
than getting involved with Menu system that is already done by Microsoft.

I agree - up to and including version 2.0. With 3.0 and above, it's just a
bit "too much" (to me), as very little software really needs it, and there
are often suitable alternative programs that do similar things without
requiring it (and it's excessive disk space requirements). But that's JMHO.

I agree (can't say which version I stop agreeing at - I think I've got
up to 4.5.1 because some things need it). The idea of having bits of
code that everyone could use, thus not having to put them into their own
code and thus making their code (and thus the space you have to fill on
your disc if you use more than one such prog. that uses them) smaller,
is a good idea - and is what .dll files were about, all those years ago.

The fact that .net is not backwards-compatible is rather sad, though (i.
e. having the latest version doesn't stop you needing the earlier ones
as well).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't enjoy being told to have a good timem so I'm wary of that aspect of
the festive season - I like being spontaneous. That said, I suppose I like
Christmas and New Year. - Rod Stewart, in Radio Times 8-14 December 2012.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, Good Guy

You can download a free program called Jing and it works in Windows XP
and later but in Windows 7 and Windows 8 you have got what is called
Snipping Tool that does a very good job.

For XP you need Jing from this link:

<http://www.techsmith.com/download/jing/>

Techsmith is a very reputable company so you are safe with them.

I see it says "allows you to instantly capture images and videos". Does
it capture YouTube videos? (I'm finding DownloadHelper is increasingly
unable to do so.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't enjoy being told to have a good timem so I'm wary of that aspect of
the festive season - I like being spontaneous. That said, I suppose I like
Christmas and New Year. - Rod Stewart, in Radio Times 8-14 December 2012.

 

[BillW50]

Goodguy explained it quite well.
A program needs a library of instructions.
The instructions can be included with the program, making it
large, or the instructions can be in a separate library that is
used by many programs, thereby making each program
smaller = .net. If you don't need it, don't install it. I would not
have it if the scada programs I use did not require it.

I don't see the point of having 500MB+ worth of .NET libraries to run
a handful of tiny programs myself. Some would call that bloat. Then
there are problems with .NET 3.5 that for some it won't update or
uninstall.

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

WITHOUT GETTING REAL TECHNICAL, In a few sentences, What does Net
Framework actually do? OK, you said it's for programmers, and that is
fine for them. But I downloaded some small program recently, and when I
ran the installer, it told me I need Net Framework, and proceeded to
start a 200meg download. I ended it right then, because on dialup, 200
megs is not gonna happen. Even with a good dialup speed on Win98, my
ISP disconnects me every so often, or maybe it's a phone line issue, but
I wont even try downloads over 40 to 50 megs. Plus I might need to use
the phone....

Anyhow, I'm not a programmer, so why do I need this huge program on my
computer, just to run a small program? And besides using up a lot of my
drive space, wont something this big slow down my computer? That's darn
near as big as the XP install files.....

Goodguy explained it quite well.
A program needs a library of instructions.
The instructions can be included with the program, making it large,
or the instructions can be in a separate library that is used by many
programs, thereby making each program smaller = .net.
If you don't need it, don't install it. I would not have it if
the scada programs I use did not require it.

 

[Good Guy]

I agree - up to and including version 2.0. With 3.0 and above, it's just a
bit "too much" (to me), as very little software really needs it, and there
are often suitable alternative programs that do similar things without
requiring it (and it's excessive disk space requirements). But that's JMHO.

But you forget that Windows 7 and Windows 8 require different set of
library files because their interfaces are different from the XP days.
Also, the codes for 64 bit machines have evolved since the year 2001
days when you were using XP.

Microsoft's idea is that all programmer's should try to use the standard
library files so that user's don't get confused with the layout of their
programs. People should be able to use standard short-cut keys like,
copy, paste, cut etc etc in all programs. Also, the menu system should
also be standard to run on windows system. that is what .net framework
is all about. By using Microsoft's SDK (Software Development Kit) your
life becomes easier because you don't have to waste time testing and
debugging your code for interface of your programs. Well, this is the
idea but some programmers are still not succeeding because they don't
trust Microsoft. Their argument is what else is there in Microsoft's
SDK? Is Microsoft using code supplied to it by NSA? etc etc.

 

[BillW50]

On 16/03/2014 05:50, Bill in Co wrote:
Microsoft's idea is that all programmer's should try to use
the standard library files so that user's don't get confused
with the layout of their programs. People should be able
to use standard short-cut keys like, copy, paste, cut etc
etc in all programs. Also, the menu system should also
be standard to run on windows system. that is what .net
framework is all about. By using Microsoft's SDK
(Software Development Kit) your life becomes easier
because you don't have to waste time testing and
debugging your code for interface of your programs.
Well, this is the idea but some programmers are still
not succeeding because they don't trust Microsoft.
Their argument is what else is there in Microsoft's SDK?
Is Microsoft using code supplied to it by NSA? etc etc.

Whatever happened to the Windows kernel which is suppose to handle
all of this stuff? And why do you need 500MB+ worth of libraries to
run a few lines of code for?

 

[Paul in Houston TX]

I don't see the point of having 500MB+ worth of .NET libraries to run a
handful of tiny programs myself. Some would call that bloat. Then there
are problems with .NET 3.5 that for some it won't update or uninstall.

Agreed. About a year ago one of the SQL 2012 server updates rendered
SQL unusable to the scada software on the W7 machine. I installed
SQL 2005, .net 3.5, and scada on this XP3 machine as a backup.
It took a week (several hours per day) of deleting all .net and
sql lines from the W7 registry and parts scattered over the hdd.
Then installed sql 2005, .net 3.5, and the scada software again.
Total sql and .net were over 3 Gb of mostly useless garbage.
I won't update sql or .net again.

 

[Good Guy]

Whatever happened to the Windows kernel which is suppose to handle all
of this stuff? And why do you need 500MB+ worth of libraries to run a
few lines of code for?

You need 500MB of library files because Microsoft decided that you only
need one package for everything. The 500MB file is supposed to cover
almost everything including mobile devices!!!!

May be, perhaps may be, we might get something new that is slimmer next
year because by that time there won't be any need to support XP/Vista
and 32 bit machines. All you'll get is everything for Windows 7 and 8
and 64 bit machines.

I was looking at Adobe PSE10 and 11 download files and the size of PSE10
is 1.5 GB while that for PSE11 is 1GB. This tells us that programmers
are using Microsoft's SDK most effectively and also they have decided
not to bother with XP/Vista machines any more.

 

[BillW50]

You need 500MB of library files because Microsoft decided
that you only need one package for everything. The 500MB
file is supposed to cover almost everything including
mobile devices!!!!

Well it doesn't work that way. .NET 3.5 covers 2 to 3.5. Since v4,
you need the exact version.

May be, perhaps may be, we might get something new that
is slimmer next year because by that time there won't be any
need to support XP/Vista and 32 bit machines. All you'll get
is everything for Windows 7 and 8 and 64 bit machines.

My prediction is that it is only going to get more bloated.

I was looking at Adobe PSE10 and 11 download files and
the size of PSE10 is 1.5 GB while that for PSE11 is 1GB.
This tells us that programmers are using Microsoft's SDK
most effectively and also they have decided not to bother with
XP/Vista machines any more.

All that does is to keep oldversion and oldapps websites very busy.

 

[micky]

In message <[email protected]>, Good Guy

I see it says "allows you to instantly capture images and videos". Does
it capture YouTube videos? (I'm finding DownloadHelper is increasingly
unable to do so.)

What I've used, only once, to capture a youtube video was Real Player.
Even then it was only a test and I didn't want the file so I only ran it
for 10 minutes. I played it back however and it seemed to work well.

I assumed Youtube was designed so it couldn't be copied, only played.
For the same??? reason movie theatrs make you come to the theatre to
watch. Well maybe not the same since youtube does't charge admission
or sell popcorn or iirc show ads. but I'm still sure they don't want
people to make copies. Do people agree?? Maybe they're planning to
charge once we get hooked?? Not that I wouldn't make a copy or that
I'm criticizing you for wanting to. If there was anything there I
wanted to show to other people, I'd much rather have a copy than have to
point them to youtube.