Pricelessware hosting offer

[Guyon Morée]

I've read all the discussions about the Pricelessware domain etc.

I don't want to mix in the discussion of wether to move or not, that's up to
you guys, but if you DO want to move I have an offer to make.

A friend of mine has a non-profit ISP. We host a bunch of sites based on an
'exclusive membership'. We only host stuff that we think is original in some
kind of way. We host some bands, artists, local cultural projects,
charities.... that kind of stuff. We believe the pricelessware-site fits the
criteria for this and we'd love to host the site.

At the moment the costs are 5 EURO (euro is slightly stronger than USD i
believe) per month. We are a non-profit ISP, so this is only to cover the
costs. When the number of members increases, the price will drop accordingly
to make an even balance. For this 5 EURO per month you'll get 600 MB
webspace and a 100 MB mail space. The server has all the features you can
think of (php,python,mysql,pop,imap,spamassasin,procmail,
shellaccess,ftp,cgi, you-name-it)

I can assure you the server is a well equiped one and is placed in a
hightech datacenter in The Netherlands with an excellent backbone
connection. So if you are interested please email me at: gumuz(at)looze.net
or ask your questions in this thread for an open discussion.

regards,

Guyon Morée


ps. I will also need some details on your bandwith usage offcourse, because
bandwith is not unlimited(almost).

 

[*ProteanThread*]

I've read all the discussions about the Pricelessware domain etc.

I don't want to mix in the discussion of wether to move or not, that's up to
you guys, but if you DO want to move I have an offer to make.

A friend of mine has a non-profit ISP. We host a bunch of sites based on an
'exclusive membership'. We only host stuff that we think is original in some
kind of way. We host some bands, artists, local cultural projects,
charities.... that kind of stuff. We believe the pricelessware-site fits the
criteria for this and we'd love to host the site.

regards,

Guyon Morée

Not a bad idea, not sure if they can use the PL domain name tho since Susan
does not own it (ahem).

will she have total control including the control panel ?

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Guyon_Mor=E9e?=]

Not a bad idea, not sure if they can use the PL domain name tho since Susan
does not own it (ahem).

will she have total control including the control panel ?

You might want to explain what you mean with a 'control panel'.

But I'll take a shot any way

You can control mail, mail filters, spam filters, ssh/telnet, ftp,
mysql, GnuPG.... all through a webinterface which is called 'Usermin'.

Also a statistics page is provided for our domain.

 

[Susan Bugher]

A friend of mine has a non-profit ISP. We host a bunch of sites based on an
'exclusive membership'. We only host stuff that we think is original in some
kind of way. We host some bands, artists, local cultural projects,
charities.... that kind of stuff. We believe the pricelessware-site fits the
criteria for this and we'd love to host the site.

At the moment the costs are 5 EURO (euro is slightly stronger than USD i
believe) per month. We are a non-profit ISP, so this is only to cover the
costs. When the number of members increases, the price will drop accordingly
to make an even balance. For this 5 EURO per month you'll get 600 MB
webspace and a 100 MB mail space. The server has all the features you can
think of (php,python,mysql,pop,imap,spamassasin,procmail,
shellaccess,ftp,cgi, you-name-it)

I can assure you the server is a well equiped one and is placed in a
hightech datacenter in The Netherlands with an excellent backbone
connection. So if you are interested please email me at: gumuz(at)looze.net
or ask your questions in this thread for an open discussion.

regards,

Guyon Morée


ps. I will also need some details on your bandwith usage offcourse, because
bandwith is not unlimited(almost).

Thank you. This sounds very promising.

ACF needs a site with roughly 15 MB of space and PHP support - as a
minimum. A very rough guess: bandwidth required = 5 GB

This year the newsgroup created a PL2004 CD (525 MB). Hosting an ISO of
that on the web site would raise the bandwidth requirements
tremendously. There is a little information available on that:

In April Amir Malik sent me some data on the PL2004 ISO he's hosting.
over a 5 day period (April 14-18):
Average data transferred per day: 52.88 gigabytes

the newsgroup hosted the ISO for a brief time at a site furnished by
Steven Burn: "According to my host, it was using just over 250GB
(average) per day"

Access to the ISO could be restricted to reduce bandwidth requirements.

The Pricelessware List is a creation of the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup.
The web site and domain have to be "owned" or "co-owned" by someone on
behalf of the newsgroup. Several newsgroup participants will be involved
- as the owners of record of the domain name or of the web site.

I am webmaster for the Pricelessware List web site. If the group
consensus is favorable - I am willing to assume responsibility for the
cost (contributions welcome) but would not be the owner of record .

Does multi-person ownership create any problems?

URLs of some of the other sites you host?

Susan

 

[Iain Cheyne]

This year the newsgroup created a PL2004 CD (525 MB). Hosting an ISO of
that on the web site would raise the bandwidth requirements
tremendously.

Why not distribute it using Bittorrent instead?

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Guyon_Mor=E9e?=]

Thank you. This sounds very promising.

ACF needs a site with roughly 15 MB of space and PHP support - as a
minimum. A very rough guess: bandwidth required = 5 GB

This year the newsgroup created a PL2004 CD (525 MB). Hosting an ISO of
that on the web site would raise the bandwidth requirements
tremendously. There is a little information available on that:

In April Amir Malik sent me some data on the PL2004 ISO he's hosting.
over a 5 day period (April 14-18):
Average data transferred per day: 52.88 gigabytes

the newsgroup hosted the ISO for a brief time at a site furnished by
Steven Burn: "According to my host, it was using just over 250GB
(average) per day"

Access to the ISO could be restricted to reduce bandwidth requirements.

The Pricelessware List is a creation of the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup.
The web site and domain have to be "owned" or "co-owned" by someone on
behalf of the newsgroup. Several newsgroup participants will be involved
- as the owners of record of the domain name or of the web site.

I am webmaster for the Pricelessware List web site. If the group
consensus is favorable - I am willing to assume responsibility for the
cost (contributions welcome) but would not be the owner of record .

Does multi-person ownership create any problems?

URLs of some of the other sites you host?

Susan

Ok Susan,

first of all: I will forward this conversation with your questions to
this friend of mine who actually owns & maintains the server. he can
give you more details on bandwith limitations and those kind of things.

If this email address of yours is not a valid one (due to spam risk),
please send me an email at gumuz(at)looze.net with your valid email.


the main-domain is http://www.looze.net (not an impressive homepage yet!)

on the left menu you see 'memberlist'. If you click it you will see some
of the domains we're hosting. Note that most of these site non-english.

you can also find my own mini-page http://gumuz.looze.net/ with a little
freeware app I wrote

Well, anyway... i think it would be fun to host the priceless site.
Personally I am a great supporter of free and open software, so it would
be great if I could contribute to that in some kind of way.


cheers,
guyon moree

 

[Roger Johansson]

This year the newsgroup created a PL2004 CD (525 MB). Hosting an ISO of
that on the web site would raise the bandwidth requirements
tremendously. There is a little information available on that:

In April Amir Malik sent me some data on the PL2004 ISO he's hosting.
over a 5 day period (April 14-18):
Average data transferred per day: 52.88 gigabytes

Maybe mr Malik, or somebody else, can host the 2005 CD, so it is not
necessary to include this in the requirements of the PL web site.

The problem right now is the web site, hosting of the CD will surely be
solved in some way when needed.

 

[Ceg]

http://www.webmin.com/index6.html

You might want to explain what you mean with a 'control panel'.

But I'll take a shot any way

You can control mail, mail filters, spam filters, ssh/telnet, ftp,
mysql, GnuPG.... all through a webinterface which is called 'Usermin'.

Also a statistics page is provided for our domain.

 

[Susan Bugher]

@corp.supernews.com:



Why not distribute it using Bittorrent instead?

re: selection of a new web site.

IMO it's a plus if the new web site can host a PW ISO - if not for all
who want it at least for the volunteer burners who have high speed
connections. The first round distribution could be faster than it was
this year.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

first of all: I will forward this conversation with your questions to
this friend of mine who actually owns & maintains the server. he can
give you more details on bandwith limitations and those kind of things.

If this email address of yours is not a valid one (due to spam risk),
please send me an email at gumuz(at)looze.net with your valid email.

Done. Your friend can either post the answers here or he can email me
and I'll pass the info on to the newsgroup.

the main-domain is http://www.looze.net (not an impressive homepage yet!)

on the left menu you see 'memberlist'. If you click it you will see some
of the domains we're hosting. Note that most of these site non-english.

you can also find my own mini-page http://gumuz.looze.net/ with a little
freeware app I wrote

Well, anyway... i think it would be fun to host the priceless site.
Personally I am a great supporter of free and open software, so it would
be great if I could contribute to that in some kind of way.

cheers,
guyon moree

Thanks Guyon.

Comments and questions from others please.

Susan

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=]

Why not distribute it using Bittorrent instead?

Or as was planned originally via CD and snail mail?
I burned 12 CD's for people not a big deal, but a big help for
those without broad band.
Just my two cents

Omar

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:21:33 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote...

Comments and questions from others please.

Just one comment - a little snipping wouldn't go amiss

 

[*ProteanThread*]

re: selection of a new web site.

IMO it's a plus if the new web site can host a PW ISO - if not for all
who want it at least for the volunteer burners who have high speed
connections. The first round distribution could be faster than it was
this year.

Susan

I don't have a problem with the new site hosting the PW ISO but I do have a
problem with the name Pricelessware (or even acf) being in the name of the
new site. No less than hi-jaking the pricelessware name IMHO.


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[Ben Cooper]

I don't have a problem with the new site hosting the PW ISO but I do
have a problem with the name Pricelessware (or even acf) being in the
name of the new site. No less than hi-jaking the pricelessware name
IMHO.

It's not hijacking if the group approves it. Just because you're on the
side of a losing vote doesn't mean the winning vote is invalid. You're a
lost cause.

 

[Ben Cooper]

Or as was planned originally via CD and snail mail?
I burned 12 CD's for people not a big deal, but a big help for
those without broad band.
Just my two cents

That's what my goal for the PW2004 CD was; to help get it to people who
can't download everything because of various reasons. I don't give a
damn whether the new site can afford to host the PW ISO.

 

[Iain Cheyne]

That's what my goal for the PW2004 CD was; to help get it to people who
can't download everything because of various reasons. I don't give a
damn whether the new site can afford to host the PW ISO.

That makes sense. Looks like there's no need to host it at the same place
as the domain name.

 

[*ProteanThread*]

It's not hijacking if the group approves it. Just because you're on the
side of a losing vote doesn't mean the winning vote is invalid. You're a
lost cause.

Ben, I never voted. Thank you for clarifying that.



um, *WHO* owns the domain "priclessware.org" ?

*WHO* owns the name acf or alt.comp.freeware ?

and *WHY* double dip or duplicate services or websites ?

how can the group approve something called pricelessware or with
pricelesware in the name when one person already owns the domain that you
all supposedly agreed upon once before ? votes don't count unless you're in
the clique huh?

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ? obviously
not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is sooooooo sad as
SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some stuff you can't find
anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or Genna for not replying to
any of these lame threads about PL.

seems to me that if you're not a "yes sir" person to the group you're an
outsider. so anything voted on in this group is meaningless anyways (like a
U.S. Presidential election)

*WHOOOPPPEEE*

only susan can kill the threads she's started and so far she hasn't. she
keeps starting new ones.

so i'm gonna start a new one myself. and then see if i can ignore the
thread i started. then you cliquers can do whatever the **** you want.

i am going to continue to post freeware that i find for the benefit of those
still interested in freeware and not some damn lame thread about some damn
worthless vote.

so, is this where I say good luck ? i don't think so.


--

Woodzy

http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics)
http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion)
http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

http://rtdos.com/chat
Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

 

[Matt]

Maybe mr Malik, or somebody else, can host the 2005 CD, so it is not
necessary to include this in the requirements of the PL web site.

The problem right now is the web site, hosting of the CD will surely be
solved in some way when needed.

In general, better NOT to host high bandwidth downloads on the same
package as your main pages and content server, otherwise excess
download bandwidth can take down your entire site!

Another alternative may be the cableforum members hosting deals from
I-web
http://i-websolutions.co.uk/cfhosting.php
To meet the "5Gb" figure, takes it to the second tier - £1.99 /month
(cheaper annually).

Even package 6 (600Mb storage, 25Gb bandwidth) - £5.99/mo would
not be adequate for an "open" download of the ISO - on that count,
not even adequate for ONE DAY of the ISO


If the right amount of space could be obtained on an "unlimited
bandwidth" (small print: limited by contention) server, that would be
a better place to hold the ISO - no gripes or extra fees, if it gets
hit too hard, it just goes damn slow!

The ISO could also be delivered (to anyone with binaries newsgroup
access) using alt.binaries.freeware - preferably on a cycle announced
in advance, as well as by bittorrent.

 

[Ben Cooper]

Ben, I never voted. Thank you for clarifying that.

Actually, you just clarified it. I didn't go through all the posts to
see if you had voted.

um, *WHO* owns the domain "priclessware.org" ?

*WHO* owns the name acf or alt.comp.freeware ?

and *WHY* double dip or duplicate services or websites ?

how can the group approve something called pricelessware or with
pricelesware in the name when one person already owns the domain that
you all supposedly agreed upon once before ? votes don't count
unless you're in the clique huh?

So, you don't vote and now you're whining about not being included in
some imaginary "clique"?
I take it that logic is something you're not familiar with.

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ?
obviously not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is
sooooooo sad as SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some
stuff you can't find anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or
Genna for not replying to any of these lame threads about PL.

seems to me that if you're not a "yes sir" person to the group you're
an outsider. so anything voted on in this group is meaningless
anyways (like a U.S. Presidential election)

*WHOOOPPPEEE*

only susan can kill the threads she's started and so far she hasn't.
she keeps starting new ones.

so i'm gonna start a new one myself. and then see if i can ignore the
thread i started. then you cliquers can do whatever the **** you
want.

i am going to continue to post freeware that i find for the benefit
of those still interested in freeware and not some damn lame thread
about some damn worthless vote.

so, is this where I say good luck ? i don't think so.

Congratulate yourself for writing such a bitter and rambling rant.
Please do continue posting all your lame freeware "finds" for the
benefit of the group. And please try to avoid discussion threads that
obviously upset you in such a violent manner.

 

[Roger Johansson]

not some damn lame thread about some damn worthless vote.

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