PowerPoint 2000 and 2003 on one PC, what with MSGraph?

[hannamargolien]

Hello,

I would like to install both PowerPoint version 2000 and 2003 on the
same computer.
However, I am afraid that graphs, even though they are created in the
PowerPoint2000 version, will not be editable anymore on another
"clean" PowerPoint2000 version (where the 2003 version is not
installed).
I suspect to run accross this problem, because I experienced the same
problem in the past when I had PowerPoint 95 and PowerPoint 97 on the
same computer.
It seems that, even though you installed both PowerPoint versions in a
different directory, MSGraph is always updated to the latest version,
and the older version of MSgraph disappears, making it impossible to
create graphs compatible with the older PowerPoint version.
Anybody have any experience with this? And if so, is there a solution?

Thanks,
Elke

 

[Echo S]

They'll be fine. There were some major file format differences between 95
and 97 that aren't there between 2000 and 2003.

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[Steve Rindsberg]

Hi Elke,

I'm not positive of this but I think that both versions (2000 aand 2003) use
MSGraph version 8 to insert charts. I don't have a computer with just 2000
handy to test that with, though, just one with both versions.

This little bit of VBA will enable you to test for yourself:

In PPT 2000 insert a chart or select an already-inserted one.

Press Alt+F11 then insert a new module into the project.

Copy/paste this in:

Sub GraphVersion()
With ActiveWindow.Selection.ShapeRange(1)
MsgBox .OLEFormat.ProgID
End With
End Sub

Put your cursor anywhere in the code and press F5 to run it.
The message box will tell you something like:

MSGRaph.Chart.8

That's what I get here in either version.

 

[hannamargolien]

Hi Elke,

I'm not positive of this but I think that both versions (2000 aand 2003) use
MSGraph version 8 to insert charts. I don't have a computer with just 2000
handy to test that with, though, just one with both versions.

This little bit of VBA will enable you to test for yourself:

In PPT 2000 insert a chart or select an already-inserted one.

Press Alt+F11 then insert a new module into the project.

Copy/paste this in:

Sub GraphVersion()
With ActiveWindow.Selection.ShapeRange(1)
MsgBox .OLEFormat.ProgID
End With
End Sub

Put your cursor anywhere in the code and press F5 to run it.
The message box will tell you something like:

MSGRaph.Chart.8

That's what I get here in either version.







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Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
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Thanks, I didn't install 2003 yet, and the message box tells me indeed
"MSGRaph.Chart.8", so I'll risk installing PPT 2003 now.

 

[Brian Reilly, MVP]

On a Office 2003 machine only, this returns version 8.
You don't really think they upgraded MS Grump between versions? (vbg)
Brian Reilly, MVP

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

On a Office 2003 machine only, this returns version 8.
You don't really think they upgraded MS Grump between versions? (vbg)

Think? No.
Test? Yes.

 

[hannamargolien]

Thanks, I didn't install 2003 yet, and the message box tells me indeed
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OK, so far no graph problems with the 2 versions installed, so that's
a relief.

However, when I now double click on a ppt file, it automatically opens
in PowerPoint2003. I would like to set this back to PowerPoint2000
(since I use this version most, and I have some automate batches
running that require the 2000 version to open when doubleclicking ppt
files).
I tried the "open with" command, browsing to the exe of
PowerPoint2000, and checking the "always use this program" box, but it
keeps opening PowerPoint2003. I also tried renaming the executable of
the 2003 version, but then when I select the executable of 2000,
Windows refuses to take this as an option, and always returns Word2003
as only option.
I am using Windows XP, is there a way to set this right?

 

[hannamargolien]

OK, so far no graph problems with the 2 versions installed, so that's
a relief.

However, when I now double click on a ppt file, it automatically opens
in PowerPoint2003. I would like to set this back to PowerPoint2000
(since I use this version most, and I have some automate batches
running that require the 2000 version to open when doubleclicking ppt
files).
I tried the "open with" command, browsing to the exe of
PowerPoint2000, and checking the "always use this program" box, but it
keeps opening PowerPoint2003. I also tried renaming the executable of
the 2003 version, but then when I select the executable of 2000,
Windows refuses to take this as an option, and always returns Word2003
as only option.
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OK, found the solution in:
Changing a File Association, Repairing broken File Associations
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00355.htm

Thanks!

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

OK, found the solution in:
Changing a File Association, Repairing broken File Associations
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00355.htm

Great ... you may also find that when you switch back and forth or apply service packs/do Detect and Repairthat
the associations get reset again.

Keep an eye out for that.

 

[hannamargolien]

Grmbl...

I'm afraid I messed it all up now, or I didn't play around enough with
the graphs to come accross these problems before ...

In PowerPoint 2003, I create a new graph, I can edit it, close it,
edit it again etc, but if I save and close the file, the next time I
open it in PowerPoint2003 and doubleclick the graph, I get the error
"The server application, source file, or item can't be found, or
returned an unknown error. You may need to reinstall the server
application".

When doubleclicking this graph (or any other graph for that matter) in
PowerPoint2000, I can edit it, but the look of PowerPoint2000 changes
to PowerPoint2003, as if the graph edit mode is in PowerPoint 2003.

Graphs created in PowerPoint2000 get the same error in
PowerPoint2003.

When opening the file on a computer with only PowerPoint 2003,
doubleclicking the graph works fine. And also on a computer with only
PowerPoint2000 opening the graph works fine.

But it's not very handy to always have to edit graphs in
PowerPoint2000, while working in PowerPoint2003 on this computer with
both versions installed.

I installed the Org Chart 2 utility from Microsoft, but that didn't
help.

I also re-registered MS Graph, once for the 2003 version, but that
didn't help and then I re-registered the 2000 version, but still no
luck. (By the way, I noticed that the executables of MS Graph are
named differently in PowerPoint2000 (Graph9.exe) and PowerPoint2003
(Graph.exe) - they also have different version numbers, so I suppose
there are at least some minor differences between the two versions?)

I'm a bit suspicious about the OrgPlus Express Add-in, because I'm
afraid that others won't be able to edit the graph afterwards in
PowerPoint.

Are there any other solutions? Operating system is WindowsXP, service
pack 2 installed.

 

[Echo S]

In PowerPoint 2003, I create a new graph, I can edit it, close it,
edit it again etc, but if I save and close the file, the next time I
open it in PowerPoint2003 and doubleclick the graph, I get the error
"The server application, source file, or item can't be found, or
returned an unknown error. You may need to reinstall the server
application".

Are there any other solutions? Operating system is WindowsXP, service
pack 2 installed.

Usually reregistering Graph will take care of this issue. What antivirus
program are you using?

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What's new in PowerPoint 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
(New!) The PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/2qzlpl
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/index.html

 

[hannamargolien]

In PowerPoint 2003, I create a new graph, I can edit it, close it,
edit it again etc, but if I save and close the file, the next time I
open it in PowerPoint2003 and doubleclick the graph, I get the error
"The server application, source file, or item can't be found, or
returned an unknown error. You may need to reinstall the server
application".
Are there any other solutions? Operating system is WindowsXP, service
pack 2 installed.

Usually reregistering Graph will take care of this issue. What antivirus
program are you using?

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PowerPoint 2007?http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
(New!) The PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kithttp://tinyurl.com/2qzlpl
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyanceshttp://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/index.html

I'm using Norton Antivirus, but the Office plug-in is disabled and
when I run regsvr32 /u "\officeav.dll", it says the module can't be
found.

I suppose the problem is caused by installing both PowerPoint 2000 and
2003 on the same computer.

 

[hannamargolien]

Usually reregistering Graph will take care of this issue. What antivirus
program are you using?

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PowerPoint 2007?http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
(New!) The PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kithttp://tinyurl.com/2qzlpl
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyanceshttp://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/index.html

I'm using Norton Antivirus, but the Office plug-in is disabled and
when I run regsvr32 /u "\officeav.dll", it says the module can't be
found.

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I re-registered Excel2000 and Word2000 also, and now I can edit graphs
again in both PowerPoint versions, however, it's clear the
"graph.exe", the version of PowerPoint2003 is being used, 'cause when
I doubleclick a graph in PowerPoint2000, the look-and-feel of
PowerPoint2003 appears.
I hope the problem is solved now, thanks everybody for your
suggestions.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

I suppose the problem is caused by installing both PowerPoint 2000 and

2003 on the same computer.

Not entirely ... I have both installed on one of the computers here and don't run into
the same problem.

[And I see that re-registering solved the immediate problem for you]

I wouldn't worry too much about the appearance of the toolbars when editing charts, at
least not as long as the actual editing works ok.