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[The Rev [MCT]]

Hey Mark,

I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you
discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it seems
in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. I think they've
figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have nothing
to do with the MVP program. I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't
think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we do
at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer.

--
..rev

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accepting it"
~Aristotle

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[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

Hey Mark,

I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you
discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it seems
in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny.

Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread
till now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread?

I think they've
figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have nothing
to do with the MVP program.

No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works.

I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't
think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we do
at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer.

Are you both even over 21?

 

[The Rev [MCT]]

You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you posted
a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read something
else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over 21.
No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question
you want to ask me?

--
..rev

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[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you posted
a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read something
else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over 21.
No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question
you want to ask me?

No, what I really want to ask is do you do any research at all before
you speak? I did not nor have not posted anything on CertBlog. The blog
belongs to CertGuard, Inc. and I did not post anything about Mark on
that or any other site or blog. So you are 0 for 2 now. Care to strike
out?

Regardless, thanks for visiting CertBlog. Have a good day.

 

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

Um, rev, that was ME. Pay attention boy.

#1, I never said anything about Mark having certs. I pretty much assumed
that he didn't have any because of the way he was ragging on them so much.

#2, I, too, know perfectly well how the MVP program works, and I know that
there are credentials that must be met in order to attain that level. I also
know that this MVP award is only for the duration of one year. My comment
about the letters after his name was merely a reference to the fact that I
hope he does not get nominated again when the time comes.

#3, His promotion of braindumps in public microsoft newsgroups does violate
various rules of the MVP Program and other Microsoft Terms of Use. If you
want to buy this guy a beer for promoting braindumps, then you're not the
***** that I thought you were.

#4, Nowhere did I mention his name, nor did I refer any direct links that
would have lead anyone here to figure out who he is. The only connection
I've made between the two is from here, in which case the reader would have
already known who he was.

#5, you should really take care of those typos, it makes it difficult to
understand what you're saying.

 

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

Thanks! Really appreciate!!

--
CertGuard

??? Of course it was!


Indeed - and not the last, I'd imagine...


Yes - I know...


Is it? By whom? I'm no more advocating the use of braindump sites than the
acquisition of certifications which I consider to be worthless...


I certainly have no intention of getting involved in them...


When did you become my boss...?

 

[The Rev [MCT]]

3

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[The Rev [MCT]]

Ah, well I get confused it seems at times. But I think most of you missed
Mark's point. He wasn't promoting braindumps, though you do. You may not
mean to, but your site has the largest set of Braindump links on the planet.
Don't press the red button right?

--
..rev

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[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

Ah, well I get confused it seems at times. But I think most of you missed
Mark's point.

There you go again. How do you know "most of you" missed Mark's point.
Did he have a point? Let me make this perfectly clear: I do not care if
he is a MVP or not, encouraging someone to use braindumps is wrong. No
it is not violating exam NDAs, or even against the law. It is just
wrong. Many of these people who come to these newsgroups are seeking
help. Promoting the use of braindumps is 1/3 of the reason
certifications are in the position they are in.

What bothers me the most Stephan is the fact that you are, or claim to
be an MCT and you have encouraged (intentionally or not) Mark's
practices. Quite frankly it makes me worry for and about your students.

 

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

Hmmm you're right, CertGuard DOES have the largest set of Braindump links
AND the largest set of legitimate practice test providers. Over 750 sites
now and still growing.

You can find every one of them here: http://www.CertGuard.com/search.asp
(Hope you know all of them)

Here are a few other points that I feel I should make about the search
feature on CertGuard:
#1, A person has to know that the site (braindump, gunman, or legit) exists
in order for them to type it into the textbox.
#2, They also have to spell the site they are looking for correctly.
Otherwise they get no results.
#3, There is no way for anyone to extract those sites from the database.
#4, CertGuard is operating in an educational capacity. Combined with our
Practice Test Provider Reviews Page (http://www.certguard.com/reviews.asp),
and our information about braindumps
(http://www.CertGuard.com/braindumps.asp) it's pretty obvious that we're not
promoting any such use of braindumps.
#5, The more our search is used to find out if they are using a legitimate
source of materials, the higher on the search engine results we get, which
means that there are more chances of potential IT Professionals finding us
before they find a braindump site. And that helps take the focus away from
the actual braindump companies that are profiting from your certifications,
and those of your students.

Now I understand that people are going to abuse the system (that is
inevitable), but we are taking other measures to prevent as much misuse of
our system as possible.

Thanks again .rev

 

[The Rev [MCT]]

Worry all you want, that would be your prerogative. My "students" are fine,
and in good hands. Not that I have to defend anything to you, but I do not
condone the use of Brain Dumps, which is why I think, using your argument,
the list of Brain Dumps sites on your page would also be counterproductive.
I do however agree with the simple point Mark made that the value of
certifications is basically crap because the exams are all too easy to pass
with brain dumps (which, ironically is what I thought you and the rest of
certguard said you were doing), but trust me that is not all. Take the MCTP:
SQL exams for example, they have grammar issues in them and many of the
questions do little to prove you know anything about SQL 2005, but rather
that you know how to answer a Microsoft question, I know, I've taken them.

I don't claim to be anything I'm not and my name is Stephen not Stephan. I'm
not hiding who I am, Rev just happens to be the name most people know me by.
I'm an MCT (and several other alphabet looking things), I also do the
occasionally moderating over at the TechNet beta forums, when the time
permits. I've done item creation for security based questions on some
Windows Vista exams, and I choose this career path because I decided too,
plain and simple. I am who I am and I don't honestly give two farts if you
like it, me or anything else for that matter. I care about what I tell
people, but I won't kiss anyone's butt for attention by or for anyone for
anything. So again, worry all you want, I don't really don't care, call me
what you want, it doesn't matter. I made a mistake when I thought you wrote
the article, big freakin deal. I still disagree with it, I don't care if BD
wrote it or not. I think it was an obvious jealous, petty and useless attack
that to be honest I figured you wrote, because it seems to fit your profile.
I guess you've rubbed off on him.

You are right about one thing though, 12 times the amount I respect you
would still be zero. I do not respect you, nor will I ever I imagine. I have
little reason to get into details, so I won't. I will now let you go back to
kissing the MS butt and while you're at it, to be sure to show everyone how
stupid I truly am.

Stephen Charles Rea
aka - .rev
aka - DJ Seven
aka - Steve Knight

http://www.Justafreak.com
http://www.techesion.com
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/beta/moderators/rea.mspx
http://www.mcngp.com

Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP Windows XP Professional)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Messaging (MCSAM Windows 2003
Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSEM Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Technician (MCDST Windows XP
Professional)
Microsoft Certified Database Administrator (MCDBA SQL Server 2000)
Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS SQL Server 2005)
Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista Configuration)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Database Administrator (MCITP DBA SQL
Server 2005)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Enterprise Support Technician (MCITP
EST Windows Vista)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Consumer Support Technician (MCITP CST
Windows Vista)
Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT)
CompTIA A+ Certified Professional
CompTIA A+ Certified Depot Technician
CompTIA A+ Certified IT Technician
CompTIA A+ Certified Remote Support Technician
CompTIA Network+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Server+ Certified Professional
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..

 

[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

Worry all you want, that would be your prerogative. My "students" are fine,
and in good hands. Not that I have to defend anything to you, but I do not
condone the use of Brain Dumps, which is why I think, using your argument,
the list of Brain Dumps sites on your page would also be counterproductive.

Are you suffering from A.D.D? That was not my argument. That was yours
and Robs...

I do however agree with the simple point Mark made that the value of
certifications is basically crap because the exams are all too easy to pass
with brain dumps (which, ironically is what I thought you and the rest of
certguard said you were doing), but trust me that is not all.

Huh? Of course they are going to be too easy to pass if you have the
questions before hand. That is what we are trying to prevent.

Take the MCTP: SQL exams for example, they have grammar issues in them and many of the
questions do little to prove you know anything about SQL 2005, but rather
that you know how to answer a Microsoft question, I know, I've taken them.

So what are YOU doing to help correct this? You are an MCT. You have
connections to help remedy this. Gawd I am not an MCT and I have been
involved in helping make changes like this.

I don't claim to be anything I'm not and my name is Stephen not Stephan. I'm
not hiding who I am, Rev just happens to be the name most people know me by.

And my last name is Alligood, not Algood. Nice to meet you. Please be
sure to spell it right when you misrepresent me again.

I'm an MCT (and several other alphabet looking things), I also do the
occasionally moderating over at the TechNet beta forums, when the time
permits. I've done item creation for security based questions on some
Windows Vista exams, and I choose this career path because I decided too,
plain and simple.

I am who I am and I don't honestly give two farts if you
like it, me or anything else for that matter. I care about what I tell
people, but I won't kiss anyone's butt for attention by or for anyone for
anything. So again, worry all you want, I don't really don't care, call me
what you want, it doesn't matter. I made a mistake when I thought you wrote
the article, big freakin deal.

See if you did it once, I would understand. But this post now makes 3
times you have confused me with someone else's comments. Quote me all
you want -- just make sure it is me. Misrepresentation is a big deal to
me.

I still disagree with it, I don't care if BD
wrote it or not. I think it was an obvious jealous, petty and useless attack
that to be honest I figured you wrote, because it seems to fit your profile.
I guess you've rubbed off on him.

Fits my profile? Again, you have me confused with someone else. There
was nothing that Rob wrote that was jealous, petty or a "useless"
attack. It may have been other things, but not those you listed.

You are right about one thing though, 12 times the amount I respect you
would still be zero. I do not respect you, nor will I ever I imagine. I have
little reason to get into details, so I won't. I will now let you go back to
kissing the MS butt and while you're at it, to be sure to show everyone how
stupid I truly am.

My gawd, the comment was 7 times the amount of respect, not 12. I am not
looking for your respect. Why would I? You have not shown me anything to
demand respect. In regardless to kissing Microsoft butt, you represent
them as well. You are Microsoft Certified. You paid the $400 like all
other MCTs to obtain the certification (as a requirement). As far as
your intelligence is concerned, I do not need to point that out to these
people. They can read your posts and make that determination themselves.
What I think about you is of no concern. It does not matter to me, or
these people reading this post.

Stephen Charles Rea
aka - .rev
aka - DJ Seven
aka - Steve Knight

http://www.Justafreak.com
http://www.techesion.com
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/beta/moderators/rea.mspx
http://www.mcngp.com

Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP Windows XP Professional)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Messaging (MCSAM Windows 2003
Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSEM Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Technician (MCDST Windows XP
Professional)
Microsoft Certified Database Administrator (MCDBA SQL Server 2000)
Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS SQL Server 2005)
Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista Configuration)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Database Administrator (MCITP DBA SQL
Server 2005)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Enterprise Support Technician (MCITP
EST Windows Vista)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Consumer Support Technician (MCITP CST
Windows Vista)
Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT)
CompTIA A+ Certified Professional
CompTIA A+ Certified Depot Technician
CompTIA A+ Certified IT Technician
CompTIA A+ Certified Remote Support Technician
CompTIA Network+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Server+ Certified Professional
CompTIA i-Net+ Certified Professional
CompTIA e-Biz+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Project+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Security+ Certified Professional
ETA Computer Service Technician (CST)
ETA Certified Network Systems Technician (CNST)
ETA Certified Web Specialist (CWS)

Thank you for just proving my point.

 

[Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]]

Worry all you want, that would be your prerogative.

Are you sure that's not yours, because you seem to like to reply and
worry about getting the last word in.

My "students" are fine, and in good hands.

Thank god you were never my teacher.

I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basically crap.

Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar"
comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of
certifications ARE basically..."

Take the MCTP: SQL exams for example

You took it.

they have grammar issues in them

So do your posts. I made my point two quotes ago.

I know, I've taken them.

Yes, your ego shows that from your signature.

I choose this career path because I decided too, plain and simple.
I am who I am and I don't honestly give two farts if you
like it, me or anything else for that matter.

You must hate yourself.

I care about what I tell people

Seems you care about what you put in these groups to misrepresent
other people, but nothing about yourself.

but I won't kiss anyone's butt for attention by or for anyone for anything.

Just your own. Again, see your sig.

So again, worry all you want

What? Me? Worry? (c)MAD Magazine

I don't really don't care, call me what you want, it doesn't matter.

Freak. Just a freak.

I do not respect you, nor will I ever I imagine.

Then stop coming to our website.

I have little reason to get into details, so I won't. I will now let you go back to
kissing the MS butt and while you're at it, to be sure to show everyone how
stupid I truly am.

You did that for yourself. I'm just pushing things along.

Stephen Charles Rea
aka - .rev
aka - DJ Seven
aka - Steve Knight

aka - egotistical

http://www.Justafreak.comhttp://www.../beta/moderators/rea.mspxhttp://www.mcngp.com
http://www.mentalhelp.net

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Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Messaging (MCSAM Windows 2003
Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSEM Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003 Server)
Microsoft Certified Desktop Support Technician (MCDST Windows XP
Professional)
Microsoft Certified Database Administrator (MCDBA SQL Server 2000)
Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS SQL Server 2005)

You know, the one with the grammar issues.

Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista Configuration)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Database Administrator (MCITP DBA SQL
Server 2005)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Enterprise Support Technician (MCITP
EST Windows Vista)
Microsoft Certified IT Professional: Consumer Support Technician (MCITP CST
Windows Vista)
Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT)

CompTIA A+ Certified Professional
CompTIA A+ Certified Depot Technician
CompTIA A+ Certified IT Technician
CompTIA A+ Certified Remote Support Technician
CompTIA Network+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Server+ Certified Professional
CompTIA i-Net+ Certified Professional
CompTIA e-Biz+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Project+ Certified Professional
CompTIA Security+ Certified Professional
ETA Computer Service Technician (CST)
ETA Certified Network Systems Technician (CNST)
ETA Certified Web Specialist (CWS)

</End egotistical signature to try and flash an e-pen!$.>

Stephen,

Stop trying to prove whatever it is you're not successfully proving.
You're riding the fence on this issue and any half-brained monkey can
see that. The reply factor is bordering on "web troll" at this point
and it's quite bothersome. I don't care who you know or what you do
for a living. You should stop trying to think your credentials are
backing up whatever delusion today has brought you. If you actually
had something positive to say and showed where you actually respected
someone other than yourself, then I might not have lost all respect in
your opinion after reading all of this garbage you've posted.

--
Taylor S. Ripley
CertGuard Security Officer
http://www.certguard.com/
Join the fight against Braindumps!
http://www.certguard.com/forums/

 

[The Rev [MCT]]

T>
You obviously didn't get the point of my signature. I don't post links and
certs in my sig all the time I did it to prove a point, but not to you or
algood. As for my many grammatical errors, which there are often many, when
I'm writing in a newsgroup I don't often take the time to correct things. My
point was for exam questions. Regardless, the sentence read; the value of
certifications is. right? What I missed was a comma if anything because is
and crap were something the value is, not the certifications, but I wouldn't
want to get into something you wouldn't understand.

M>
I may or may not have ADD, but simply you must support the argument Rob
states in general since you linked their blog, and in your signature you
link the site all the time, and as for the posed question of what I do? (to
correct the problems) I do send my feedback along with many other MCT's, I
also review courseware as much as my schedule permits. But I will say I am
surprised though, about one thing when it comes to you. You still think
Microsoft is listening to you. I'm not making fun of that, I just find it
interesting

--
..rev

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[Frisbee®]

Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar"
comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of
certifications ARE basically..."

Certifications ARE
The VALUE of certificationS IS
The valueS of certification ARE

Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar.

 

[Robert Williams [CertGuard]]

To end this right here (hopefully), Mark, I have pulled the Blog (even though it
made no direct reference to you other than what you wrote). I do understand now
the point you were attempting to get across and although I don't agree with the
method, I do respect it. My apologies!

There are so many other ways to get one's point across, as there were for me to
get my point across and I apologize for not taking one of those other avenues.

I would, however, like to ask one thing of you. Could you please just not post
direct links to braindump sites? That's all I ask. By doing so, at least you're
not helping worsen the situation that currently certified individuals have found
themselves in the middle of.

I'll be leaving now, as I despise these friggin' newsgroups just about as much
as you hate certifications.

Thanks,

 

[Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]]

M>
I may or may not have ADD, but simply you must support the argument Rob
states in general since you linked their blog, and in your signature you
link the site all the time,

What a naïve thought process. So therefore since I am affiliated with
CertGuard, Inc. I MUST agree with each individual thoughts of those
associated with CertGuard, Inc.? I assure you this is not the case. Both
Rob and Taylor will 100% back me up on that! With that said, I
noticed you display your MCT behind your name. Should you, as a
certified individual of Microsoft's, agree with EVERYTHING they say as
well? We all know you do not. And to further drive that nail into the
coffin, I also noticed that you quote Aristotle. Do you agree with
EVERYTHING he said, his works, and lifestyle? Think man...

and as for the posed question of what I do? (to
correct the problems) I do send my feedback along with many other MCT's, I
also review courseware as much as my schedule permits. But I will say I am
surprised though, about one thing when it comes to you. You still think
Microsoft is listening to you. I'm not making fun of that, I just find it
interesting

I have no issues with Microsoft not listening to me. Exam security and
certification integrity is close to my heart and I pushed MSL for months
for a webcast. What happened? Trika, Rob Linsky and I made it happen.
CertGuard was invited, as well as Montreal MCT. When Microsoft wanted to
retire the MCSE NT 4 certification, what happened? Certified individuals
were outraged and Microsoft kept the certification valid (something I do
not agree with). With this whole Prometric issue, I see no issue in it
at all. Give it time. Let the parties involved run their businesses.
Then after milestones have come and gone, complain and help make a
change. Otherwise you are just not giving anything an opportunity to
succeed.

 

[Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]]

Certifications ARE
The VALUE of certificationS IS
The valueS of certification ARE

If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically
worthless.

Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar.

I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your
lexicon. My day is complete.

 

[mattmichler]

On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basically
crap.
Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar"
comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of
certifications ARE basically..."

Certifications ARE
The VALUE of certificationS IS
The valueS of certification ARE

If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically
worthless.

Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar.

I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your
lexicon. My day is complete.

I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely
immature and utterly useless.

 

[Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]]

On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basically
crap.
Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar"
comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of
certifications ARE basically..."
Certifications ARE
The VALUE of certificationS IS
The valueS of certification ARE

If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically
worthless.

I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your
lexicon. My day is complete.

I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely
immature and utterly useless.
- Show quoted text -

If you knew the history, you wouldn't say that.