Pics jumbled up ,some missing,some duplicated,names all over the p

F

Foggy

I have recently scanned about 80 old photos to a folder in My Pictures.All of
a sudden for no apparent reason they became jumbled up,some disappeared,some
were duplicated and the names I had assigned to each picture were no longer
relevant to that picture.All this was in Thumbnail. Changing to Filmstrip
view,the large picture was not the same as the small highlighted picture
below and changing to Preview,all the pictures were present in the correct
order and correctly named ! Can anyone throw any light on what has happened
and how I can go back to square one-please,please,please.
 
J

John Inzer

Foggy said:
I have recently scanned about 80 old photos to a folder in My
Pictures.All of a sudden for no apparent reason they became jumbled
up,some disappeared,some were duplicated and the names I had assigned
to each picture were no longer relevant to that picture.All this was
in Thumbnail. Changing to Filmstrip view,the large picture was not
the same as the small highlighted picture below and changing to
Preview,all the pictures were present in the correct order and
correctly named ! Can anyone throw any light on what has happened and
how I can go back to square one-please,please,please.
==============================
I can only guess what happened...

The pictures that disappeared may have been
overwritten (replaced) with other files of the
same name.

The unwanted copies (I'm guessing they say...
Copy of xxx.jpg?) may have been created
when you tried to multiple select a group of
pictures and move them.

To correct the thumbnail issue...try copying
the complete group of pictures into a new
folder.

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://support.microsoft.com/ph/695

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk
 
Y

Yves Alarie

1. Make a new folder under My Picture
2. Open the folder containing the 80 photos
3. Select all the pictures in the folder (hold the Ctrl key down and press
the letter A, this will highlight all the files in blue)
4. Copy all the selected files to the clipboard(hold the Ctrl key down and
press the letter C)
5. Open the new folder you made and paste the files in it (hold the Ctrl key
down and press the letter V.
6. Are the files in the proper order?

If the above works, let us know and we will tell you how to correct the
order in your original folder.
 
F

Foggy

Have done what you instructed and although the pictures are not in the right
order,they are all there and the duplicates have gone and the names
correspond to the correct picture.Brilliant !Next installment please.
 
F

Foggy

Yves, Thank you so much .I have done as instructed and although they are not
in the right order,they are all there now and the duplicates have been
removed and the names all correspond to the right picture.Brilliant. Please
post the second set of instructions. (This is the second reply I have sent
but the 1st one didn't seem to get posted)
 
J

JUST LEARNING

Hi
I am sorry to bother you but I don't seem to know how to post a question.
I only can reply like to you could you please help me or have the moderator
send me an e-mail so I can learn
my email is (e-mail address removed)
I am Just Learning
please help me
thanks Judy
 
J

John Inzer

JUST said:
Hi
I am sorry to bother you but I don't seem to know how to post a
question. I only can reply like to you could you please help me or
have the moderator send me an e-mail so I can learn
my email is (e-mail address removed)
I am Just Learning
please help me
thanks Judy
==================================
There is no moderator.

The purpose of newsgroups is to share
information with as many people as possible
so instead of expecting private e-mail...it's
best to find replies to your message in the
original thread.

Posting your real e-mail address in public
newsgroups is a surefire way to get more
spam.

What is your question?

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://support.microsoft.com/ph/695

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk
 
J

JUST LEARNING

I don't know how to ask a question
and you sarcasm is not very helpful
I would not go by the name of just learning if I knew as much as you.
All I want is someone to explain how to post a question
when I click on it there is a click sound but where do I start typing?
Judy
 
F

Foggy

You've picked on the wrong one here ! I'm a novice too - hence the fact that
Ive posted 2 replies because I wasn't sure if I'd done it right ! However,
click on 'new' at the top of the page,write your question in the box, then
click on Post and wait for the replies...
 
J

John Inzer

JUST said:
I don't know how to ask a question
and you sarcasm is not very helpful
I would not go by the name of just learning if I knew as much as you.
All I want is someone to explain how to post a question
when I click on it there is a click sound but where do I start typing?
Judy
=====================================
I'm sorry you think the info I offered you is sarcasm.
And I notice that you are still using your real address...
you don't have to believe me but that is not a good
idea.

To begin a new thread...try the following steps.

Sign in with your passport.

Left click the New button / then click Question.

If the screen flashes but the new message window
fails to open...it may be blocked by your pop-up
stopper. Try overriding it by holding your Ctrl key
when you click...New / Question.

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://support.microsoft.com/ph/695

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk
 
Y

Yves Alarie

OK. At least you now have all of them.
Sorry for the delay in responding.
So now they are not in the right order.
By "not in the right order" what do you mean? The order that you scanned
them in?

So let us do some work to understand how XP sorts or lists files.
1. Open the folder
2. The photos are now displayed in Thumbnail view.
3. Click on the Views icon and then change Thumbnails to Details.
4. Now you have a list of file names. They are sorted (or listed) by
numerical/alphabetical order.
So you would see something like this:
1_Filename.jpg
Filename.jpg
My filename.jpg

1_Filename is listed first because numerical takes priority over
alphabetical. Then you have Filename and then My filename listed in
alphabetical order.
So I am not sure how you named your files,as you scanned them, but you
cannot expect them to be in the order you scanned them unless you use a
numerical system to order them.
You can use something like
1_Uncle Joe
2_Aunt Millie
3_Brother John
and they will then be listed in this order in your folder.
However if you do not use a number in front they will be listed:
Aunt Millie
Brother John
Uncle Joe
regardless of the order you scanned the pictures for the simple reason that
files are sorted (or listed) in numerical/alphabetical order and not in the
order they are scanned, or your scanner may have the option of naming all
files automatically and incrementing .001 etc. such as
image.001
image.002
etc. but here it will always be "image" as the starting file name and not
Uncle Joe etc.

If you want to control how files are listed in a folder, you can learn how
XP sorts files and how you can batch rename. Look at this site:
http://www.papajohn.org/MM2-OrganizePictures.html
and with a little bit of work you will understand how to name photo files
and place them in the order you want in a folder.

Now, why did you have this problem with your folder? Difficult to say but
some corruption of the thumbs.db file probably occurred.
I did not want you to correct it as given below, just in case I would be
wrong and your photos would be lost. But now that you have your photos in a
new folder, try to repair the original folder.
1. Open your original folder
2. Change the Views from Thumbnails to Details.
3. Look at the list of files listed in the folder
4. A file, thumbs.db, should be listed there. Do you see it? If not, click
on Tools on the top bar, then on Folder Options and then on the View Tab and
scroll down and click on Show hidden files and folders.
After you do this, close the folder and open it again and you should now see
this thumbs.db file listed in the folder. Delete this file. When you delete
it you will get a message that this is a system file etc. etc. Just say Yes
to delete.
Close the folder and open it, the thumbs.db file will be automatically made
again and listed in the folder. Most probably your files will be listed just
like in the new folder you made and copied your files into.
Let us know if this did the trick or not. The idea is simply to have a new
thumbs.db file to replace a possibly corrupted one since XP automatically
generates this file, if not there, when opening a photo file folder.
 
F

Foggy

Many thanks,I have read and understood your explanation on numbering and also
the papajohn document.Since I have named each photo with the name of the
place visited, I will put the number in front of each name.
However,I have run up against a problem in the second half of your message.
The thumbs.db file was not there so I went to Tools etc and got down to
'Show hidden files and folders'. I checked the button and clicked apply,then
closed the Folders Options Window. Is that what you meant when you said close
the folder? You then say delete this file - do you mean the window with the
list of 'details' on it? If so Deleting it will just send it to the recycle
bin and I don't get any message about it being a system file....have I missed
something somewhere? Sorry to be a pain but I am very new to this !
 
Y

Yves Alarie

No need to be sorry to be a pain. We all, at one point, were new to this! So
don't worry about asking questions. The idea is to learn.

What I want you to do is simply to open your old folder, set the Views to
Details so you see a list of file names and you see the file:
thumbs.db
listed in this folder with all your photo files.
Then you click on the thumbs.db file so it is highlighted in blue. Then you
press on the Delete key to delete this file.
After you press on the Delete key a window should open with a message that
this is a system file and do you really want to delete this file. You answer
Yes. After you do this, close the folder (just go back to My Pictures, for
example or to any other item on your computer) and then go back and open the
folder. A new thumbs.db file will be automatically made by XP and listed
there (it will not be the old one you just deleted and was sent to the
recycle bin). With this newly made thumbs.db file I think you will recover
all your photo files in the proper order. Something did happen to corrupt
the original thumbs.db file but I did not want to take a chance giving you
the above instructions, instead I had you copy the files in a new folder.
When you did so, a new thumbs.db file was made automatically in the new
folder. So here, if you delete the thumbs.db file (probably corrupted) in
your old folder and you close the folder and open it again, XP should make a
correct new thumbs.db file automatically and it should work just like making
a new folder and copying your files there. So if this happens again it is
simpler to delete the thumbs.db file than making a new folder and copying
your files there.

Putting a number in front of each name is OK. I have no problem with this.
However, this takes a lot of time because you have to rename each individual
file. Better to group files and then use a number in front for each group
and a number at the end for each file in each group since you can batch
number the number at the end of all the files in each group. Will save you a
lot of time. Dig a little more in the papajohn renaming system. I wrote this
several years ago when XP came out and a photography club wanted a quick and
easy way to rename files to maintain them is a specific order. Papajohn was
nice enough to take my "wording" and place this on his site with some
graphics making it easier to understand.
Lucky for you, you are just starting so you don't have that may files yet
and you can afford spending some time to experiment.
This is a very friendly site, we simply provide help. We don't care if you
are just starting.
 
S

Sergey Wasilenkow

I have recently scanned about 80 old photos to a folder in My Pictures.All of
a sudden for no apparent reason they became jumbled up,some disappeared,some
were duplicated and the names I had assigned to each picture were no longer
relevant to that picture.All this was in Thumbnail. Changing to Filmstrip
view,the large picture was not the same as the small highlighted picture
below and changing to Preview,all the pictures were present in the correct
order and correctly named ! Can anyone throw any light on what has happened
and how I can go back to square one-please,please,please.

You can try to recover your deleted photos with Easy Digital Photo
Recovery:

http://www.munsoft.com/EasyDigitalPhotoRecovery/

It uses unique state-of-art algorithms to recover as many photos as it
is possible and helps
to return back files even if their location and size is not stored in
the file system structures.
 
F

Foggy

I still cannot find the thumbs.db file in the list in details view.
However, I have tried something else:
I have opened My Pictures window and changed to details view. I have clicked
on the folder with my 80 photos in it and selected Properties. In the General
Tab it tells me I have 81 files and 0 folders. Presumably this extra file is
the thumbs.db file which I cannot find? Am I right and if so, how do I get it
to show up so I can follow your previous instructions? Goodness, doesn't life
get complicated when you start playing on computers !
 
G

Gord Dibben

As well as showing Tools>Folder Options>View>Hidden Files and Folders you must
also remove the checkmark from "Hide Protected Operating System Files" in order
to see Thumbs.db files.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP
 
Y

Yves Alarie

Indeed, I forgot about adding this one in the Tools>Folder Options>View.
This should do it now.
 
F

Foggy

Many thanks this has got the illusive file back and I can now follow Yves
previous instructions.
 
F

Foggy

Thank you for all your help,I have now successfully followed your
instructions and copied them out in case it happens again. Thanks again
 

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