PC only boots after on/off/on cycle ?

[Skybuck Flying]

Today was another weird day electronics wise.

I had to pull out all cables.

The monitor did not want to turn off.

The old PC also didn't boot.

It does this each time but this time it was worse.

Anyway what I need to do to make it work is:

1. I turn it on, but nothing happens.
2. I turn it off.
3. I turn it on again and the PC goes into the BIOS stating that CPUs
setting was wrong.

I tried setting volts for cpu to 2.00, 2.05, 2.10 but that didnt help.

Really strange how it doesn't want to boot up the first time.

Any ideas what could be causing this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Wow weirdest thing ever.

I was using windows live messenger and suddenly it seemed like the harddisk
turned off ?!

I had to reboot to computer... I was like: "wtf" "bizar".

Only time I saw a computer do that was when a cable was loose.

So far no loose cables, so totally weird.

Possible explanations:

1. Maybe one of the cables which isn't being used, caused a spark or so,
that would be scary if that was the case.
2. Maybe system is just old and slowing dieing.
3. Maybe touching PC case to attach headset cables caused damage because
grounding maybe not present. So it might go to the same way as the dreampc,
ohoh.
4. Maybe bot in messenger had something to do with it, me blocked it...
seems to cause trouble every time.
5. Maybe a network shutdown packet was received by PC.
6. Maybe there was a power drop on the power net, didn't notice any
flickering lights though.
7. Maybe one of the power cables is bad ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Flasherly]

Today was another weird day electronics wise.

The on- & back-on thing is fairly old but relates to a PWR-good
condition lead wire in there in the power connector for ATX
standards. I've had enough of them exhibit that sort of behavior -
along with it's sister difficultly when turning them off: they go off,
but unless the case PWR off is held in for an inordinate time, they'll
just want to cycle right back up again.

If the BIOS loses !EverythinG! Not Good. Got some serious issues.
What I suspect, though, is the timings are being thrown off, by power
anomalies, and subsequently triggering a sort of BIOS error similar to
a mis-overclocked or wrongly setup condition. Not so much a serious
as PITA condition. I've had them, too (used to keep a scrap-paper
with overclocked settings pasted to the case, until I just said screw
it - let it error, do a warm reboot, and it would pick it up from
there again with workable default settings based on what the CPU and
memory report back to the BIOS).

Wear and tear in the daily machine workings of how computers get old
and lame-assed.

 

[GMAN]

Today was another weird day electronics wise.

I had to pull out all cables.

The monitor did not want to turn off.

The old PC also didn't boot.

It does this each time but this time it was worse.

Anyway what I need to do to make it work is:

1. I turn it on, but nothing happens.
2. I turn it off.
3. I turn it on again and the PC goes into the BIOS stating that CPUs
setting was wrong.

I tried setting volts for cpu to 2.00, 2.05, 2.10 but that didnt help.

Really strange how it doesn't want to boot up the first time.

Any ideas what could be causing this ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

Your damn battery is dead in your PC!!!!

 

[Don McKenzie]

Your damn battery is dead in your PC!!!!

That is the way I figure it.

Check the time/date before you connect to the internet.

Don...


--
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$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
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The World's Cheapest Computer:
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Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[Paul]

Your damn battery is dead in your PC!!!!

In a typical PC, a CR2032 coin cell battery, maintains BIOS settings
and the real time clock. If the CR2032 is discharged, there is
nothing to maintain accurate time when the computer is unplugged.
If you don't want to replace the coin cell battery, then the
time settings must be re-entered, on each power-up of the PC.
Enter BIOS and set the clock, save, exit, boot.

Paul

 

[Michael Black]

In a typical PC, a CR2032 coin cell battery, maintains BIOS settings
and the real time clock. If the CR2032 is discharged, there is
nothing to maintain accurate time when the computer is unplugged.
If you don't want to replace the coin cell battery, then the
time settings must be re-entered, on each power-up of the PC.
Enter BIOS and set the clock, save, exit, boot.

It's more than that. All the BIOS settings are in the RAM that is battery
backed up. In the old days, you'd have to enter details of the hard drive
(or select from a menu) and that would go every time the computer forgot.
Same with boot sequence and all that.

With a dead battery, the cluelss might believe the computer is broken.

Let's not forget this is "Radium". A little knowledge is worse than a
lot. He'll pull out all kinds of things, only to realize the plug wasn't
in the wall (if he notices that). Or a different way of looking at it is
that he's posting for attention, a classic troll, and he has no real
problem or any need to "design a great 1998 computer today", he's doing it
to get a reaction. Note the crossposting, it's not as bad as in the old
days, but it's consistent with someone wanting to be annoying.

Michael

 

[Paul]

It's more than that. All the BIOS settings are in the RAM that is
battery backed up. In the old days, you'd have to enter details of the
hard drive (or select from a menu) and that would go every time the
computer forgot. Same with boot sequence and all that.

With a dead battery, the cluelss might believe the computer is broken.

Let's not forget this is "Radium". A little knowledge is worse than a
lot. He'll pull out all kinds of things, only to realize the plug
wasn't in the wall (if he notices that). Or a different way of looking
at it is that he's posting for attention, a classic troll, and he has no
real problem or any need to "design a great 1998 computer today", he's
doing it to get a reaction. Note the crossposting, it's not as bad as
in the old days, but it's consistent with someone wanting to be annoying.

Michael

Naw, it's not Radium. Radium is much more destructive. And Radium
has certain trademarks that are entirely missing from Skybuck posts.
So they're not the same person. Radium throws tantrums more easily.
Radium can't help itself.

Paul

 

[Flasherly]

It's more than that. All the BIOS settings are in the RAM that is battery
backed up. In the old days, you'd have to enter details of the hard drive
(or select from a menu) and that would go every time the computer forgot.
Same with boot sequence and all that.

With a dead battery, the cluelss might believe the computer is broken.

I just bought a BiosedStar MB a couple months ago and returned it
because it wouldn't hold BIOS settings. Who wants to turn on a
computer that flashes in your face: Warning! Warning! Will Rogers --
Danger Due to CMOS MisMatch!

It wasn't a 2032 but close enough (according to WIKI) to open -very
first thing- the computer next to it, handy dandy like, and pull its
2032 for a substitute.

Some -- not many, yet some nevertheless do have BIOS issues. Had
another one, I sold identified for such, that had a knack for dropping
CPU multipliers to x4 instead of x12, were the CPU properly picked up.

I flash them, too, first thing as a manner of course. Although the
replacement for the BiosedStar, a nice little P4 Gigabytle, I did a
revisionary flash to a BIOS dated prior to what was provided. Seemed
different. How many people do you know that buy a new MB and put an
old BIOS on it for no particular reason? It's not at all like I
planned it.

(Actually, it had at USB slotted entry BIOS progressions, that, in
order turn on USB S3, a normal series of recognizable USB settings had
to be first engaged for an on state. However, I did, again without
reason, leave on the S3, and that appeared caused me some grief
because the computer wouldn't work right, had streaming/speed issues
with USB and HDs, until S3 was disengaged. Of course not nearly as
fast as this is transpiring. Hardly that. I suspect I may in the
physics of anomalistic retaliation have been spirited to a rebuttal in
form of a former BIOS revision. But, I've still got that S3 in
there. Do you know what in hell it is?)

 

[mike]

In a typical PC, a CR2032 coin cell battery, maintains BIOS settings
and the real time clock. If the CR2032 is discharged, there is
nothing to maintain accurate time when the computer is unplugged.
If you don't want to replace the coin cell battery, then the
time settings must be re-entered, on each power-up of the PC.
Enter BIOS and set the clock, save, exit, boot.

Paul

There's a lot more going on in the BIOS than the clock.
If you used anything but the defaults, they need to be changed too.
I just went thru a big hassle with system instability because I forgot
to turn hyperthreading back on in the BIOS.

 

[Don McKenzie]

The sad part about this thread is that someone apparently in need of assistance asks for it, everyone including me jumps
in to help, then the original poster either doesn't read the thread, or decides not to follow it, and doesn't respond in
anyway.

Leaving all follow up posters to guess at the problem and the fix.

Don...


--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

The sad part about this thread is that someone apparently in
need of assistance asks for it, everyone including me jumps
in to help, then the original poster either doesn't read the
thread, or decides not to follow it, and doesn't respond in
anyway.

"any way'

IFYPFY

Leaving all follow up posters to guess at the problem and the fix.

Don...

It's a dead battery.

Usenet line length should be held below 73 characters.

 

[Don McKenzie]

"any way'

IFYPFY


It's a dead battery.

Usenet line length should be held below 73 characters.

Hmmmm..... Just reset from 120 back to 72
Don't know why it gets out of wack from time to time.
Could be the number of Tbird versions.

"Any way", appears OK now.

Don...



--
Don McKenzie

$30 for an Olinuxino Linux PC:
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html

The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $25 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Add VGA Monitor/TV, and PS2 Keyboard, or use USB Terminal
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Your damn battery is dead in your PC!!!!

At first it sounded logical, me being at a loss I gave it a shot, I went to
the store and bought 2 batteries which are exactly like the previous one.

CR 2032 VARTA it says jul-2022 so I guess these batteries will last 10 years
or so.

I tried it, I put them into the PC.

Today I booted the PC and nothing, again a black screen. I had to boot it
twice.

Now that I think about it some more it wasn't logical after all.

I have never seen a PC boot to a black screen because of a dead battery.

It could probably simulate that scenerio by leaving the battery out of it...
but won't do it now maybe later.

So another 10 bucks wasted but it was worth a shot.

Now back to other theories why this could be happening:

1. The motherboard is simply damage in some way when the previous power
supply blew.

2. Perhaps the power on switch header is wrongly connected.

3. Perhaps it has something to do with the power on button. I never liked
that button... I suspect it has something to do with it... maybe it produces
a power surge of some kind.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

The sad part about this thread is that someone apparently in need of
assistance asks for it, everyone including me jumps in to help, then the
original poster either doesn't read the thread, or decides not to follow
it, and doesn't respond in anyway.

Leaving all follow up posters to guess at the problem and the fix.

Don...

I have read all threads as usual... and I tried to fix it (battery
replacement)... unfortunately no success so far.

I did try an overclock long ago to see how that turned out from 450 mhz to
600 mhz... then it frooze once, maybe that damaged the processor's boot
capabilities in some way... but I don't think so...

Even my DreamPC sometimes had booting problems with this chieftec case and
the seasonic s12 600 watt power supply... now my Pentium III 450 mhz uses it
and some of that behaviour is the same but now even worse... it does it
almost each time.

Later today I will pick up 2 new motherboards to fix my DreamPC 2006... and
also new memory of the old Pentium III 450 mhz...

Once that works I will take pictures of the pentium III 450 mhz bios
settings so you guys can have a look at it... maybe you will spot something
weird... I never really had to set it up in the bios to get it booting
properly so it's probably unlikely that it's a bios setting that is causing
trouble but will show anyway.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Flasherly]

At first it sounded logical, me being at a loss I gave it a shot, I went to
the store and bought 2 batteries which are exactly like the previous one.

CR 2032 VARTA it says jul-2022 so I guess these batteries will last 10 years
or so.

I tried it, I put them into the PC.

Today I booted the PC and nothing, again a black screen. I had to boot it
twice.

Now that I think about it some more it wasn't logical after all.

I have never seen a PC boot to a black screen because of a dead battery.

It could probably simulate that scenerio by leaving the battery out of it...
but won't do it now maybe later.

So another 10 bucks wasted but it was worth a shot.

Now back to other theories why this could be happening:

1. The motherboard is simply damage in some way when the previous power
supply blew.

2. Perhaps the power on switch header is wrongly connected.

3. Perhaps it has something to do with the power on button. I never liked
that button... I suspect it has something to do with it... maybe it produces
a power surge of some kind.

You'd know immediately if it were the power button. Had one with
intermittent connects when engaging. MB responses are immediate to
that sort of sensitivity. It'll stand out like a sore thumb or
electrical shock. Power supplies, though, can be some of the worst
ways to go about troubleshooting for problems that there wouldn't
appear neither rhyme nor reason for. I know there have been instances
when I simply took a spare power supply I had around for new stock,
and simply connected it for nothing more worse for wear than a quick
fix. An intuitive hunch that went down as quick as a Hostess
Twinkie. Still, and though my days of buying dirt-cheap, no-name PS
units may have passed, I'll still never again fully trust them. MBs,
past PS units, just possibly might come in second place for insidious
reasons for demon-possessed computers -- like the MB I had that slowly
at first, but with a persistently advancing appetite, would eat up and
then, sooner than later, spit out all my perfectly ruined but
beautiful, hand-selected power supply units.

The PS is still the cheaper alternative to a no-brainer, bald-faced,
modular swap-out fix attempt. Who says it has to be gamer or server
grade? May be a local unit from a chain store, that from "all
indications," didn't quite fit the bill for a return on purchase
price, you do understand. Order out for the real stuff -- nor, a bad
idea, at all, to have a spare from when they're on sale. It should
then make a unmistakable difference, if the problem is one of
emancipated electrons.

 

[JW]

<[email protected]>:

[...]

You'd know immediately if it were the power button. Had one with
intermittent connects when engaging. MB responses are immediate to
that sort of sensitivity. It'll stand out like a sore thumb or
electrical shock. Power supplies, though, can be some of the worst
ways to go about troubleshooting for problems that there wouldn't
appear neither rhyme nor reason for. I know there have been instances
when I simply took a spare power supply I had around for new stock,
and simply connected it for nothing more worse for wear than a quick
fix. An intuitive hunch that went down as quick as a Hostess
Twinkie. Still, and though my days of buying dirt-cheap, no-name PS
units may have passed, I'll still never again fully trust them. MBs,
past PS units, just possibly might come in second place for insidious
reasons for demon-possessed computers -- like the MB I had that slowly
at first, but with a persistently advancing appetite, would eat up and
then, sooner than later, spit out all my perfectly ruined but
beautiful, hand-selected power supply units.

The PS is still the cheaper alternative to a no-brainer, bald-faced,
modular swap-out fix attempt. Who says it has to be gamer or server
grade? May be a local unit from a chain store, that from "all
indications," didn't quite fit the bill for a return on purchase
price, you do understand. Order out for the real stuff -- nor, a bad
idea, at all, to have a spare from when they're on sale. It should
then make a unmistakable difference, if the problem is one of
emancipated electrons.

Uhhh... Yeah, what he said.

 

[Flasherly]

Uhhh... Yeah, what he said.

Damn, and I just finished upgrading my last remaining spare power
supply with the rest of a new computer?

 

[JW]

Damn, and I just finished upgrading my last remaining spare power
supply with the rest of a new computer?

Is that what happened? Well, whaddya know.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

I have never seen a PC boot to a black screen because of a dead battery.

Your graphics card is not connected properly.