Partition size

S

Santander

New laptop without OS, 250GB hard drive. I plan install windows XP.
Does it make sense to divide hard drive into two partitions, one 20GB for
Win XP and programs (C), and the rest for data (D)?
Will 20GB enough for C partition? Or better just create one partition at the
maximum size possible? so the default number provided will be the maximum
space available and the best choice?

Santander
 
D

David B.

Any answers you receive are just personal preference, there is little
advantage to either option, my .02 is use a single partition.
 
S

Santander

it seems, notebook manufacturers usually set 20Gb partition when laptop come
with operating system?

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A

Anna

Santander said:
New laptop without OS, 250GB hard drive. I plan install windows XP.
Does it make sense to divide hard drive into two partitions, one 20GB for
Win XP and programs (C), and the rest for data (D)?
Will 20GB enough for C partition? Or better just create one partition at
the maximum size possible? so the default number provided will be the
maximum space available and the best choice?

Santander

(Santander later adds...)
it seems, notebook manufacturers usually set 20Gb partition when laptop
come with operating system?


Santander:
I would agree with David B.'s recommendation that a single partition
encompassing the entire disk space of your 250 GB HDD will work just fine.

In my opinion, for the overwhelming number of PC users, there's really
nothing wrong or particularly limiting with living with a single-partitioned
HDD. You can effectively organize your HDD by using folders to segregate
this or that major program or division of work. You need not multi-partition
your HDD unless you have some very special need for doing so such as
installing two operating systems on one physical HDD (although let me be
quick to add that except where there is no other recourse left open to the
user, i.e., he or she is unable or unwilling to use separate hard drives,
I'm not particularly enthusiastic about installing multiple operating
systems on a single HDD.)

The great advantage of having a single partition per physical HDD is its
simplicity. You never encounter the situation where the free space is in the
"wrong" partition nor is there ever a need to adjust partition size because
one's later need for more (or less) disk space has changed.

Many advocates of multi-partitioning schemes invoke the presumed advantage
of separating the operating system from one's programs/data. The presumed
advantage is that by doing so a significant level of security is thereby
introduced in that when the system goes down, only the OS need be
(re)installed and all of one's programs & data will be salvaged and brought
back to life. It's an illusion. In "real-life" it never seems to work out
that way (especially in an XP OS environment). Time & time again we run into
that common situation where the user finds this or that "partition" needs to
be expanded, or shrunk, or merged, but there's no way to accomplish this
without third-party tools and the inherent danger of data loss that can
occur through the partition-manipulation process.

By & large, the *real* answer to securing one's system is creating &
maintaining a comprehensive backup system that the user employs on a routine
& systematic basis. So that when one's day-to-day HDD fails or the system
becomes dysfunctional and unable to boot, one can effectively recover from
that disaster with a minimum of effort. My own preference is to use a
disk-cloning program such as the Casper 5 program, but there are other
disk-cloning & disk-imaging programs such as Acronis True Image or
Symantec's Norton Ghost program that will also do the job. And, of course,
there are other backup strategies one can employ based on the user's needs.
But establishing & maintaining a backup system is the crucial point for
security - not multi-partitioning one's HDD either for security or thinking
it will provide enhanced performance of the system.

Anyway, think hard & long before you multi-partition your HDD. And if you
conclude that multi-partitioning your HDD is the most desirable course of
action in your particular circumstances, then go ahead and partition away.
But even if you do - please establish and use on a routine basis a backup
system that meets your needs.That should be your crucial objective.
Anna
 
G

Gerry

Santander

A number of manufacturers do not supply operating system disks. They put
a copy of the operating system in a restore partition.

Unless the user has a third party partition manager a partitioned drive
can prove inflexible. Partitions are useful if you can readily change
their size. Ease of backup to a source independent of the master hard
drive should be considered. Having a second hard drive opens up options
like a dedicated pagefile partition. Separating files that rapidly
fragment from those that don't ( archives) makes for easier maintenance.

Remember if you need to clean install your operating system you will
need to reinstall all programmes. You do not need to reinstall data
files so this is an argument for separation.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

New laptop without OS, 250GB hard drive. I plan install windows XP.
Does it make sense to divide hard drive into two partitions, one 20GB for
Win XP and programs (C), and the rest for data (D)?
Will 20GB enough for C partition? Or better just create one partition at the
maximum size possible? so the default number provided will be the maximum
space available and the best choice?


How many partitions you should have and how big each should be depends
on you and what you have on the computer. There is no single answer
that's right for everyone.

I recommend that you read this article I recently wrote:
"Understanding Disk Partitioning" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326
 
S

Santander

well, but if we create separate partition (20Gb) just only for operating
system, we never will worry about changing it size, because there will be
only OS, not programs or data?

Santander
 
B

Bob I

If the OS is replaced the programs will have to be reinstalled anyway.
that means partitioning is pointless exercise.
 
G

Gerry

Anna

Partitioning only creates a problem if the user does not have a third
party partitioning utility.


--



Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
T

Thip

Santander said:
New laptop without OS, 250GB hard drive. I plan install windows XP.
Does it make sense to divide hard drive into two partitions, one 20GB for
Win XP and programs (C), and the rest for data (D)?
Will 20GB enough for C partition? Or better just create one partition at
the maximum size possible? so the default number provided will be the
maximum space available and the best choice?

Santander

My preference would be a single large disk, with a USB external drive for
backups/images. If your hard drive dies it won't matter how many partitions
you have.
 
D

David B.

Not true, almost any application you install will install support files or
dll's on the system drive, nothing you can do about it. If for some reason I
partitioned, I would do at least 40-60GB for the OS.
 
G

Galen Somerville

Anna said:
(Santander later adds...)


Santander:
I would agree with David B.'s recommendation that a single partition encompassing the
entire disk space of your 250 GB HDD will work just fine.

In my opinion, for the overwhelming number of PC users, there's really nothing wrong or
particularly limiting with living with a single-partitioned HDD. You can effectively
organize your HDD by using folders to segregate this or that major program or division
of work. You need not multi-partition your HDD unless you have some very special need
for doing so such as installing two operating systems on one physical HDD (although let
me be quick to add that except where there is no other recourse left open to the user,
i.e., he or she is unable or unwilling to use separate hard drives, I'm not particularly
enthusiastic about installing multiple operating systems on a single HDD.)

The great advantage of having a single partition per physical HDD is its simplicity. You
never encounter the situation where the free space is in the "wrong" partition nor is
there ever a need to adjust partition size because one's later need for more (or less)
disk space has changed.

Many advocates of multi-partitioning schemes invoke the presumed advantage of separating
the operating system from one's programs/data. The presumed advantage is that by doing
so a significant level of security is thereby introduced in that when the system goes
down, only the OS need be (re)installed and all of one's programs & data will be
salvaged and brought back to life. It's an illusion. In "real-life" it never seems to
work out that way (especially in an XP OS environment). Time & time again we run into
that common situation where the user finds this or that "partition" needs to be
expanded, or shrunk, or merged, but there's no way to accomplish this without
third-party tools and the inherent danger of data loss that can occur through the
partition-manipulation process.

By & large, the *real* answer to securing one's system is creating & maintaining a
comprehensive backup system that the user employs on a routine & systematic basis. So
that when one's day-to-day HDD fails or the system becomes dysfunctional and unable to
boot, one can effectively recover from that disaster with a minimum of effort. My own
preference is to use a disk-cloning program such as the Casper 5 program, but there are
other disk-cloning & disk-imaging programs such as Acronis True Image or Symantec's
Norton Ghost program that will also do the job. And, of course, there are other backup
strategies one can employ based on the user's needs. But establishing & maintaining a
backup system is the crucial point for security - not multi-partitioning one's HDD
either for security or thinking it will provide enhanced performance of the system.

Anyway, think hard & long before you multi-partition your HDD. And if you conclude that
multi-partitioning your HDD is the most desirable course of action in your particular
circumstances, then go ahead and partition away. But even if you do - please establish
and use on a routine basis a backup system that meets your needs.That should be your
crucial objective.
Anna
I've never had multiple partitions for security reasons. I have multiple partitions to
separate different aspects of my work.

Makes it so much easier than one huge partition.

As a side advantage, it makes the occassional defragmentation so much faster.

Galen
 
G

Gerry

Bob

So make it 30 gb and include the programmes. However, it is still better
to have a third party partitioning utility.

--



Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
G

Gerry

Santander

I would not separate the operating system from programmes. By all means
keep data separate. Be over generous for the partition containing
operating system and programmes as that is where the pinch will come.

Does your computer have the capacity to take a second drive? Given that
it is a laptop perhaps it does not?

What will you be using the laptop for? Will you be storing large files
like videos?


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
S

SANTANDER

I recently asked notebook manufacturer about partitions, he say me that 20Gb
partition would be more than enough for Windows XP, and recommend to set two
or three partitions, "but not one". 20Gb will be enough for win XP SP3 also?

S.
 
T

Terry R.

The date and time was Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:30:17 AM, and on a
whim, Bob I pounded out on the keyboard:
If the OS is replaced the programs will have to be reinstalled anyway.
that means partitioning is pointless exercise.

It's not pointless. Some people prefer to separate items and use
partitions and hard drives to do so.

I have my OS('s) on C:, data on D: and programs on E:. If I need to
replace the OS partition from a backup, I don't need to reinstall all
the programs. If I've installed programs since the last backup, I
restore both C: & E:, as they are always backed up together.

None of my OS drives are larger than 6 gig. The programs drive (E:) is
shared by all OS's. So I don't have 5 installs of the same programs on
5 different partitions (that is slowly changing as older OS's are no
longer supported).

--
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T

Terry R.

The date and time was Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:39:06 AM, and on a
whim, David B. pounded out on the keyboard:
Not true, almost any application you install will install support files or
dll's on the system drive, nothing you can do about it. If for some reason I
partitioned, I would do at least 40-60GB for the OS.

Hi David,

While 40-60 gig isn't a big deal with the size of drives now, having
just the OS on a separate partition won't require near that. I have 5
OS's on partitions and none of them are over 6 gig (with currently 1.5
gig free). The only thing someone needs to watch is the multiple
instances of install files that Windows and other programs place all
over, which can total into multiple gigs.

But I'm a consultant and enjoy keeping my system lean. But for those
that are mainly average computer users, partitioning isn't a necessity.
They just need to know that a good backup schedule is.

--
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Thip

SANTANDER said:
I recently asked notebook manufacturer about partitions, he say me that
20Gb
partition would be more than enough for Windows XP, and recommend to set
two
or three partitions, "but not one". 20Gb will be enough for win XP SP3
also?

S.

With computing the way it is today, I think (and this is *only* my opinion)
that partitioning is pretty much a thing of the past. I stopped when
external USB drives became available. I do have 2 drives in my machine, one
of which I use for My Documents, etc., but I make regular backups to my
external drives.

My fear has always been that my main drive will die (and it's happened).
With regular backups and a new drive, I can be back up and running in 30
minutes with virtually no important data loss.
 

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