OT: Visual Studio with 3 developers and same projekt

[Martin Arvidsson, Visual Systems AB]

Hi!

We are starting up a big projekt that requires three developers.

What version of Visual Studio 2008 is ideal (Pro, Developer etc), and what
is the recomended versioncontrol software?

Regards
Martin

 

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

Depends on what features you need. Pro with Visual Sourcesafe would be
appropriate. If you are going to be doing a lot of testing, automated builds,
etc. then Team using Team Server would be the choice.
-- Peter
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[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

We are starting up a big projekt that requires three developers.

What version of Visual Studio 2008 is ideal (Pro, Developer etc), and what
is the recomended versioncontrol software?

Personally I'd suggest using the cheapest version which has everything
you need - I don't know the differences between Dev and Pro, always
having used Pro. I suspect you don't need Team System though.

As for source control, I'm a big fan of Subversion (with the Ankh plug-
in). It's free and works very, very well.

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Depends on what features you need. Pro with Visual Sourcesafe would be
appropriate. If you are going to be doing a lot of testing, automated builds,
etc. then Team using Team Server would be the choice.

Personally I'd say that anything with Visual SourceSafe is
inappropriate. It's a terrible, terrible source control system.

From http://www.wadhome.org/svn_vs_vss.html (not unbiased, I know):
<quote>
Here's a quote I once heard from someone who works at Microsoft:

"Visual SourceSafe? It would be safer to print out all your code,
run it through a shredder, and set it on fire."
</quote>

I'm happy with the hope that if I'm lucky, I may never need to use VSS
again.

 

[Robert Fuchs]

I always use Pro, Team System is too expensive.
Source Control: Subversion, or Sourcegear Vault if you prefer a commercial
product.

regards, Robert

 

[clintonG]

Do you have any suggestions regarding a way for a small remote team to
message and comment to one another over the course of a project? Using
Outlook is an unmanageable PITA.

Something like a bug tracking app but not necessarily for bugs? Something
that functions like newsgroups perhaps but has a richer UI and broader
feature set?

<%= Clinton

 

[BobF]

Track+ is free for up to 5 users
http://www.trackplus.com/

Free, Very kool, bug oriented but configurable
http://flyspray.org/

Haven't used other than participation in TSVN project
http://www.collab.net/

Do you have any suggestions regarding a way for a small remote team to
message and comment to one another over the course of a project? Using
Outlook is an unmanageable PITA.

Something like a bug tracking app but not necessarily for bugs? Something
that functions like newsgroups perhaps but has a richer UI and broader
feature set?

<%= Clinton

 

[Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen]

Do you have any suggestions regarding a way for a small remote team to
message and comment to one another over the course of a project? Using
Outlook is an unmanageable PITA.

Something like a bug tracking app but not necessarily for bugs?
Something that functions like newsgroups perhaps but has a richer UI and
broader feature set?

<%= Clinton

Personally I'd suggest using the cheapest version which has everything
you need - I don't know the differences between Dev and Pro, always
having used Pro. I suspect you don't need Team System though.

As for source control, I'm a big fan of Subversion (with the Ankh plug-
in). It's free and works very, very well.

Personally I like FogBugz, but it's not free. It's good though.

 

[clintonG]

I had FogBugz in mind as I recently read about this dilemma common to my
fellow small-fry developers after FogBugz was briefly mentioned in this
context in an article published in the last issue of Visual Studio magazine.
While I'm not aversive to paying for software we can't afford anything for
the time being until we start earning money ourselves and thanks for
mentioning it anyway.

<%= Clinton

 

[clintonG]

BigTime ThankYou Bob. I'll be checking out Track+ and FlySpray (love that
name eh?) but have also been very curious about Subversion (source control
with plugins) and have perhaps a mistaken notion that it and collab.net have
become or are one and the same thing?

I do know the way I (we) have been working is not working, little to no
accountability, provides no audit trail and when the inevitable legal
conflict comes up will leave us all vulnerable to whatever claims the
context of conflict may produce when it eventually comes around to raise its
ugly head. Gotta do something soon...

<%= Clinton

Track+ is free for up to 5 users
http://www.trackplus.com/

Free, Very kool, bug oriented but configurable
http://flyspray.org/

Haven't used other than participation in TSVN project
http://www.collab.net/

 

[Fredo]

Yeah, I have to agree with Jon on this. SourceSafe is probably the worst
source control system in existence if for no other reason that its
propensity to corrupt the data store.

SubVersion and CVS are both free and far superior.

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Do you have any suggestions regarding a way for a small remote team to
message and comment to one another over the course of a project? Using
Outlook is an unmanageable PITA.

Something like a bug tracking app but not necessarily for bugs? Something
that functions like newsgroups perhaps but has a richer UI and broader
feature set?

Well, I tend to use a range of tools - bug tracking, perhaps a wiki for
ad-hoc documentation, source control of course, instant messenger
applications for immediate communications.

For bug tracking I liked Test Track Pro when I used it a long time ago
- I would imagine it's only got better since then. There are quite a
few open source offerings as well though. JIRA is also highly regarded.

 

[Andy]

I always use Pro, Team System is too expensive.
Source Control: Subversion, or Sourcegear Vault if you prefer a commercial
product.

regards, Robert

Vault is a great product and not too expensive.

 

[Andy]

Do you have any suggestions regarding a way for a small remote team to
message and comment to one another over the course of a project? Using
Outlook is an unmanageable PITA.

Something like a bug tracking app but not necessarily for bugs? Something
that functions like newsgroups perhaps but has a richer UI and broader
feature set?

Fortress (which is Vault + a bug / feature tracking system) is pretty
good.

 

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

Well, to be fair, the VSS 2005 (I think that's the latest version) has some
major improvements including HTTP access, and supposedly fixes the corruption
issues. I haven't used it though. Team Server is great, but it's clunky and
slow. I've used svn with Ankh and it is good. I've also used Sourcegear Vault
which uses SQL Server for the backend and it is good too.
-- Peter
Site: http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog: http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com
Short Urls & more: http://ittyurl.net

 

[devnull]

Personally I'd suggest using the cheapest version which has everything
you need - I don't know the differences between Dev and Pro, always
having used Pro. I suspect you don't need Team System though.

As for source control, I'm a big fan of Subversion (with the Ankh plug-
in). It's free and works very, very well.

+ 1 Subversion.

Out of interest, why Ankh? Free is nice, but personally I've found
VisualSVN to be much nicer.

Alun Harford

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

+ 1 Subversion.

Out of interest, why Ankh? Free is nice, but personally I've found
VisualSVN to be much nicer.

Ankh seems to do everything I need, so I haven't tried VisualSVN. I do
admit that for a few things (like diffs) Ankh is relatively primitive.
What are the main benefits in your view of VisualSVN over Ankh?

Maybe I should give VisualSVN a try... only problem is that it means
uninstalling Ankh first. (For some reason unticking the box in the Add-
In manager doesn't actually seem to do much.)

Jon

 

[BobF]

Ankh seems to do everything I need, so I haven't tried VisualSVN. I do
admit that for a few things (like diffs) Ankh is relatively primitive.
What are the main benefits in your view of VisualSVN over Ankh?

Maybe I should give VisualSVN a try... only problem is that it means
uninstalling Ankh first. (For some reason unticking the box in the Add-
In manager doesn't actually seem to do much.)

I have the same situation with Ankh. An unchecked box in Add-In Manager. I
also have a couple of others I would like to completely do away with.

Personally, I haven't found a great need for VS integration of SC, but I'm a
one-guy shop. I may give VisualSVN a try also. I wonder if it's fully
compatible with TSVN?

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

I have the same situation with Ankh. An unchecked box in Add-In Manager. I
also have a couple of others I would like to completely do away with.

I'm sure that actually uninstalling Ankh would be okay. I'd just
rather not waste too much time just to try a new IDE plugin. (I've got
plenty of other things waiting to waste my time...)

Personally, I haven't found a great need for VS integration of SC, but I'm a
one-guy shop. I may give VisualSVN a try also. I wonder if it's fully
compatible with TSVN?

It depends on TSVN, so I'd imagine it's very compatible indeed

Jon

 

[BobF]

I'm sure that actually uninstalling Ankh would be okay. I'd just
rather not waste too much time just to try a new IDE plugin. (I've got
plenty of other things waiting to waste my time...)


It depends on TSVN, so I'd imagine it's very compatible indeed

I guess that shows you how much I've looked at VisualSVN!!