Slightly OT: VS2010 versions

[Dylan Parry]

Hi folks,

Now that MS have released VS2010, I have started to wonder about the
various versions and whether I could actually get away with using one of
the Express versions. I’ve found one or two charts that show the
differences between the Pro/Premium/Ultimate versions, but I’m not sure
what’s missing in the Express versions.

One thing I’m particularly interested in finding out is whether you can
develop MVC applications in the Express version. I know that with Visual
C# 2008 Express you couldn’t easily create an MVC application, but had
to use Visual Web Developer 2008 Express instead (which I didn’t much
like). I suspect that the same is still true?

Would be much nicer if rather than a dozen different apps, they just
made one application that was a little cut down – would make my life a
lot easier that’s for sure!

Cheers,

 

[Patrice]

Hello,

What differs is generally just the tooling. As MVC is part of the .NET
Framework I really don't expect a difference here (moreover it was already
available for VWD 2008).

Not sure about your previous experience but it seems you confused Express C#
2008 (which is to create Windows app) and Visual Studio 2008 (non express).

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Hi folks,

Now that MS have released VS2010, I have started to wonder about the
various versions and whether I could actually get away with using one of
the Express versions. I’ve found one or two charts that show the
differences between the Pro/Premium/Ultimate versions, but I’m not sure
what’s missing in the Express versions.

Most likely, some of the templates are missing in the Express version. I
doubt that you can do unit testing with Express nor can you convert a
Link-2-SQL database model over to an ADO.NET Entity Framework database
model. 3RD party tools like Reshaper cannot be implemented in non VS
version along with other yhings I would suspect.

One thing I’m particularly interested in finding out is whether you can
develop MVC applications in the Express version. I know that with Visual
C# 2008 Express you couldn’t easily create an MVC application, but had
to use Visual Web Developer 2008 Express instead (which I didn’t much
like). I suspect that the same is still true?

I suspect it's the same in both versions. Model View Controller is a
design pattern, which can be implemented in a Web UI of a Web
application that can be done manually.

I prefer the Model View Presenter design pattern, an offspring of MVC
myself, which can be implemented in Windows forms and ASP.NET applications.

Would be much nicer if rather than a dozen different apps, they just
made one application that was a little cut down – would make my life a
lot easier that’s for sure!

You can find out how to join a .Net Developers meeting in your area
where they would give away some VS2010 version for free to developers
that attended the once a month meeting.

 

[Dylan Parry]

Most likely, some of the templates are missing in the Express version. I
doubt that you can do unit testing with Express nor can you convert a
Link-2-SQL database model over to an ADO.NET Entity Framework database
model. 3RD party tools like Reshaper cannot be implemented in non VS
version along with other yhings I would suspect.
Thanks.


I suspect it's the same in both versions. Model View Controller is a
design pattern, which can be implemented in a Web UI of a Web
application that can be done manually.

I think you’re probably right. It certainly looks that way from what
I’ve been reading elsewhere.

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You can find out how to join a .Net Developers meeting in your area
where they would give away some VS2010 version for free to developers
that attended the once a month meeting.

That’s an interesting idea. Will definitely look into it. I know for
sure that I almost certainly can’t afford to buy VS2010 without being
hungry for a while!!

 

[Tom Libby]

[snipped]

That’s an interesting idea. Will definitely look into it. I know for sure
that I almost certainly can’t afford to buy VS2010 without being hungry
for a while!!

You should see if you qualify for MS BizSpark program
http://www.microsoftstartupzone.com/BizSpark/Pages/At_a_Glance.aspx

Tom

 

[Dylan Parry]

You should see if you qualify for MS BizSpark program
http://www.microsoftstartupzone.com/BizSpark/Pages/At_a_Glance.aspx

Thanks. Had a quick look and it looks like I don’t qualify, d’oh! The
company I work for has been in business for more than three years, but
I’d be getting the software as an individual anyway rather than through
the company, so definitely don’t qualify. Shame I’m not a student as
that would have worked too!

 

[mick]

Thanks. Had a quick look and it looks like I don’t qualify, d’oh! The
company I work for has been in business for more than three years, but I’d
be getting the software as an individual anyway rather than through the
company, so definitely don’t qualify. Shame I’m not a student as that
would have worked too!

Doubt I`ll be able to afford the Ultimate version in the near future
but I downloaded the trial version to give it a go and I cant get
Intellisence to work on it:-( It worked ok on the betas and the RC.

mick

 

[mick]

Doubt I`ll be able to afford the Ultimate version in the near future
but I downloaded the trial version to give it a go and I cant get
Intellisence to work on it:-( It worked ok on the betas and the RC.

For anyone else who has the same problem -

Well I found that it had installed with statement completion turned off.
Odd. Never done that before.

mick

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Doubt I`ll be able to afford the Ultimate version in the near future
but I downloaded the trial version to give it a go and I cant get
Intellisence to work on it:-( It worked ok on the betas and the RC.

mick

It didn't work on the RC version. So, I had to go enable Intellisence
off of tools/options, use Google and look it up.