OT: Hardware speed gen. Q. ?

[RJK]

Just Norton Ghost backed up my boot drive C:\ (17gb's occupied), and data
only drive D:\ (49gb's occupied),
....onto third hd drive E:\ and whilst watching the 1gb files, (for some
strange reason I like to Norton Ghost BU into 1gb chunks), appear in the
destination directory on drive E:\ ...I timed a few of them as they
appeared, and they were taking 20 seconds to each appear. So, backing up
C:\ and D:\ drives took about 17 minutes, or about 20 seconds a 1gb file.
Should I be happy with that ? ...any way to speed it up other than
replacing innards - Asus M3N78 | x2 6000 Windsor | 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix
....that will no longer run at "performance speeds" and is running at 1.8v
5-5-5...something or other, ...all internal SATA II hard-disks. It seems
that SATAII is still a bit of a bottleneck ?

I do realise that memory timings will have little effect on data transfer
speeds ! ...just still annoyed that Crucial Ballistix memory "guranteed" to
run at higher performance settings, only does so for a short time before
"degrading" to the point where it will only run at "standard" timings and
standard 1.8volts ! ....same as OCZ Platinum [email protected] only worked for
about two weeks before "degrading" to standard settings only !!!!

regards, Richard

 

[R. McCarty]

One way to enhance or maximize the transfer speed would be to
have a separate disk controller for the destination drive. Actually
your backup speeds seem normal. You do have some control on
the speed by choosing the compression level. Higher compression
takes more time for backups to complete.

Disk drives are always the slowest component in any PC. You
can't really tell if things are working correctly without doing some
kind of benchmark. I use a small program, Disk Speed 32 to test
drives. On my desktop the SATA 300 drives average around 13mS
access time and an average throughput of 117 MBits-per-Second.
They are recent generation Seagate drives ( 1-Terabytes ).

Disk Speed 32 available here:
http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/

 

[RJK]

One way to enhance or maximize the transfer speed would be to
have a separate disk controller for the destination drive. Actually
your backup speeds seem normal. You do have some control on
the speed by choosing the compression level. Higher compression
takes more time for backups to complete.

Disk drives are always the slowest component in any PC. You
can't really tell if things are working correctly without doing some
kind of benchmark. I use a small program, Disk Speed 32 to test
drives. On my desktop the SATA 300 drives average around 13mS
access time and an average throughput of 117 MBits-per-Second.
They are recent generation Seagate drives ( 1-Terabytes ).

Disk Speed 32 available here:
http://www.geocities.com/vgrinenko/DiskSpeed32/

Many thanks, ...my 3rd SATAII 160gb hd is connected to a cheapy PCI-e / 2
port SATAII card (PCI Express x1 slot)
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?pid=32

....and after casting an eye down through:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
....I'll have to find time to read it more slowly !!!

regards, Richard

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Just Norton Ghost backed up my boot drive C:\ (17gb's occupied), and data
only drive D:\ (49gb's occupied),
...onto third hd drive E:\ and whilst watching the 1gb files, (for some
strange reason I like to Norton Ghost BU into 1gb chunks), appear in the
destination directory on drive E:\ ...I timed a few of them as they
appeared, and they were taking 20 seconds to each appear. So, backing up
C:\ and D:\ drives took about 17 minutes, or about 20 seconds a 1gb file.
Should I be happy with that ? ...any way to speed it up other than
replacing innards -

Two points:

1. For most people, how long a backup takes doesn't matter at all. Do
it at night, and it will almost always be done when you get up in the
morning.

2. I strongly recommend that you do *not* do your backup to an
internal hard drive, but rather use an external drive that is not kept
connected. What you are doing leaves you susceptible to simultaneous
loss of the original and backup drive to many of the most common
dangers, which include severe power glitches, nearby lightning
strikes, virus attacks, and even theft of the computer.

You might want to read this article I've written on backup: "Back Up
Your Computer Regularly and Reliably" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:14:50 AM, and on a whim,
Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard:

Two points:

1. For most people, how long a backup takes doesn't matter at all. Do
it at night, and it will almost always be done when you get up in the
morning.

2. I strongly recommend that you do *not* do your backup to an
internal hard drive, but rather use an external drive that is not kept
connected. What you are doing leaves you susceptible to simultaneous
loss of the original and backup drive to many of the most common
dangers, which include severe power glitches, nearby lightning
strikes, virus attacks, and even theft of the computer.

You might want to read this article I've written on backup: "Back Up
Your Computer Regularly and Reliably" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

I have to disagree with your suggestion *not* to backup to an internal
drive. I have 3 hard drives on this workstation. Between the 3, I have
multiple backups of my OS partitions, and programs drive. My data drive
is backed up each day to another internal drive. I also have 3 external
drives that I create monthly backups with multiple versions.

Depending on how valuable ones data is, telling them to only use an
external drive is putting the worst link between backing up; the user.
If someone fails to back up important data every day because they
forgot to plug in the external drive, that is worse than the risk of
losing all internal drives to your "common dangers". I would rather
take that risk than putting the onus on the user to make sure they back
up. OR the other big failure: users leaving the external drive plugged
in (which most are not designed to do)- the drive fails and the user
never checks their backups. They just *assume* it's being done. I have
a LOT of failed USB drives here from exactly that.

I have one owner of a network I admin who just lost his 3rd drive on his
Mac Book. He didn't heed my warnings to make sure his backups were
being done, and never responded to my requests to come to his home to
check it. Now it's going to cost $1,500 to replace a head on the failed
drive to retrieve his data. Maybe now he'll take backup seriously.

The best way is a combination of both IMO. Of course I consider my data
irreplaceable.


Terry R.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

The date and time was Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:14:50 AM, and on a whim,
Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard:


I have to disagree with your suggestion *not* to backup to an internal
drive. I have 3 hard drives on this workstation. Between the 3, I have
multiple backups of my OS partitions, and programs drive. My data drive
is backed up each day to another internal drive. I also have 3 external
drives that I create monthly backups with multiple versions.

Your choice, of course. I completely disagree with your point of view,
and I will continue to recommend that backups be done to external
drives rather than internal ones.

 

[Unknown]

Perhaps some misunderstanding?? He backs up on externals also. You surely
don't mean NEVER backup on an internal.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:01:24 PM, and on a whim,
Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard:

Your choice, of course. I completely disagree with your point of view,
and I will continue to recommend that backups be done to external
drives rather than internal ones.

I guess you have never run into either of the issues below then, or you
would realize the risks of "common dangers" is less than the frequency
of forgetfulness by users to either not plug in the external drive and
perform a backup AND verify it, or leave it running until it dies
altogether, again without ever checking.

I will continue to offer what I think is best to the client and let them
choose. Almost every individual client has opted for the additional
internal drive when the pros and cons of both have been presented.
That's why networks store info off the workstations and use tape backups
to minimize human error.

Read the 2nd paragraph below. That user had an external drive. Did he
ever use it? Unfortunately, no. When he had a Windows laptop, whenever
he was onsite our backup implementation performed the backup for him.
Now he's offsite more than onsite, and it was left up to him.

Depending on how valuable ones data is, telling them to only use an
external drive is putting the worst link between backing up; the user.
If someone fails to back up important data every day because they
forgot to plug in the external drive, that is worse than the risk of
losing all internal drives to your "common dangers". I would rather
take that risk than putting the onus on the user to make sure they back
up. OR the other big failure: users leaving the external drive plugged
in (which most are not designed to do)- the drive fails and the user
never checks their backups. They just *assume* it's being done. I have
a LOT of failed USB drives here from exactly that.

I have one owner of a network I admin who just lost his 3rd drive on his
Mac Book. He didn't heed my warnings to make sure his backups were
being done, and never responded to my requests to come to his home to
check it. Now it's going to cost $1,500 to replace a head on the failed
drive to retrieve his data. Maybe now he'll take backup seriously.

The best way is a combination of both IMO. Of course I consider my data
irreplaceable.


Terry R.

Terry R.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I guess you have never run into either of the issues below then, or you
would realize the risks of "common dangers" is less than the frequency
of forgetfulness by users to either not plug in the external drive and
perform a backup AND verify it, or leave it running until it dies
altogether, again without ever checking.

I will continue to offer what I think is best to the client and let them
choose.

Absolutely. No quarrel from me. We have differing opinions on what
kind of drive is best for backup, but we agree completely on that. You
should recommend what you think best, just as I do, even if our
opinions on what is best are different.

 

[RJK]

Absolutely. No quarrel from me. We have differing opinions on what
kind of drive is best for backup, but we agree completely on that. You
should recommend what you think best, just as I do, even if our
opinions on what is best are different.

Thanks to you both, who have mentioned two of the, (conflicting?), aspects
of backing up that I've been trying to reconcile !

....I put in 3rd internal hd for convenience in backing up boot and data hd's
C:\ and D:\
Prior to that I was ghosting out onto an external ICY BOX IB-351-U with
160gb Seagate IDE hd in it. External hd has a firewire and USB port on it -
(never could get the 1394a port to work).

A concern, always, has been a mains power anomoly damaging PC innards
including hard disks, so for years have always had PC peripherals | pritners
etc. connected to Belkin Surge Master F5C100u, and main PC system box |
monitor | Linksys WAG354G | external hd connected to APC Back-UPS. A
couple of years ago APC Back-UPS was plugged into F5C100u but, read
somewhere that surge protectors should not be "daisy chained," so now
they're seperately plugged into mains supply.

(I think it was winter 1998, heavy electrical storms damaged approx. 70 PC's
in Eastern Avenue (Bridgwater, Somerset, UK), and around 40 PC's through to
the other end of Eastern Avenue !)

....so amidst my thinking was always back-up out to ext. hd. More recently
fitted extra internal hd. for convenience and a little bit more speed, with
the intention of simply copying a Ghost backup from internal hd out to
external hd. Which reminds me, I must get around to copying that last
backup out to external hd !

Again, many thanks to both

regards, Richard

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:32:18 AM, and on a
whim, RJK pounded out on the keyboard:

Thanks to you both, who have mentioned two of the, (conflicting?), aspects
of backing up that I've been trying to reconcile !

...I put in 3rd internal hd for convenience in backing up boot and data hd's
C:\ and D:\
Prior to that I was ghosting out onto an external ICY BOX IB-351-U with
160gb Seagate IDE hd in it. External hd has a firewire and USB port on it -
(never could get the 1394a port to work).

A concern, always, has been a mains power anomoly damaging PC innards
including hard disks, so for years have always had PC peripherals | pritners
etc. connected to Belkin Surge Master F5C100u, and main PC system box |
monitor | Linksys WAG354G | external hd connected to APC Back-UPS. A
couple of years ago APC Back-UPS was plugged into F5C100u but, read
somewhere that surge protectors should not be "daisy chained," so now
they're seperately plugged into mains supply.

(I think it was winter 1998, heavy electrical storms damaged approx. 70 PC's
in Eastern Avenue (Bridgwater, Somerset, UK), and around 40 PC's through to
the other end of Eastern Avenue !)

...so amidst my thinking was always back-up out to ext. hd. More recently
fitted extra internal hd. for convenience and a little bit more speed, with
the intention of simply copying a Ghost backup from internal hd out to
external hd. Which reminds me, I must get around to copying that last
backup out to external hd !

Again, many thanks to both

regards, Richard

You have found the balance IMO Richard. Using both IS the best method.


Terry R.

 

[Twayne]

The date and time was Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:14:50 AM, and on a
whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard:


I have to disagree with your suggestion *not* to backup to an internal
drive. I have 3 hard drives on this workstation. Between the 3, I
have multiple backups of my OS partitions, and programs drive. My
data drive is backed up each day to another internal drive. I also
have 3 external drives that I create monthly backups with multiple
versions.
Depending on how valuable ones data is, telling them to only use an
external drive is putting the worst link between backing up; the
user. If someone fails to back up important data every day because
they forgot to plug in the external drive, that is worse than the
risk of losing all internal drives to your "common dangers". I would
rather take that risk than putting the onus on the user to make sure
they back up. OR the other big failure: users leaving the external
drive plugged in (which most are not designed to do)- the drive fails
and the user never checks their backups. They just *assume* it's
being done. I have a LOT of failed USB drives here from exactly that.

I have one owner of a network I admin who just lost his 3rd drive on
his Mac Book. He didn't heed my warnings to make sure his backups
were being done, and never responded to my requests to come to his
home to check it. Now it's going to cost $1,500 to replace a head on
the failed drive to retrieve his data. Maybe now he'll take backup
seriously.
The best way is a combination of both IMO. Of course I consider my
data irreplaceable.


Terry R.

If the most you're doing is backing up to a constantly connected
external drive (and the onboard internal) then you don't take your data
seriously enough if you consider it "irreplaceable". One strong surge
at the right time can take out multiple drives, conrtollers and more.
Your external drive is still susceptible to viruses and malware the
second you connect it, not to mention fire, theft, a severe lightning
strike unless you unplug the phone cable, data and power connectors,
and a few other things not mentioned. Even your telephone connection is
an entry point for strong lightning surges and won't stop them. A UPS
with SW controls is also pretty important.
You have only implemented the first part of protection security. You
should do a little research and continue on to adding stages 2 and 3,
which are periodically burning DVDs of the backups and keeping one copy
off-site or at least nowhere near the computer and not in the same
building if possible. There's a little more to it, but that's it in a
nutshell.

HTH,

Twayne`

 

[Twayne]

The date and time was Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:01:24 PM, and on a
whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard:


I guess you have never run into either of the issues below then, or
you would realize the risks of "common dangers" is less than the
frequency of forgetfulness by users to either not plug in the
external drive and perform a backup AND verify it, or leave it
running until it dies altogether, again without ever checking.

1. IMO externals SHOULD be connected and up anytime the computer is ON.
2. Backups can be scheduled; because it's an external drive makes zero
difference to the schedulers that run the backups.
3. Backups should seldom be MANUAL! My backup app peforms ALL backup
functions, including monitoring for a data increase in excess of over
250 Meg on any drive, and runs an incremental whenever that happens.
4. In an almost ideal situation, backups are never wasting space on any
internal drive. Backup drives should be large enough to contain multiple
copies of backups in case one happens to include some sort of malware.
5. In an almost ideal situation, there are multiple external drives or a
dedicated housing for external drives. Drives are switched in/out on a
predetermined schedule. Drives not on duty are powered down and
physically disconnected while they are idle and only the needed drive is
powered and physically connected. All automated. User never does
anything about backups; it's done for them.
6. Anyone in charge of backups who doesn't monitor the state of the
backups OFTEN shouldn't be in charge of them. Anyone making people
perform manual backups is asking for trouble no matter how you look at
it, if their data is really "irreplaceable" AND of great imortance to
them. I have a lot of "irreplaceable" data backed up, not all of it
critical though. In fact, some of it I'd never miss, but it still
couldn't be replaced. Backups need to be constantly verified at least
visually and periodically by testing.

I will continue to offer what I think is best to the client and let
them choose. Almost every individual client has opted for the
additional internal drive when the pros and cons of both have been
presented. That's why networks store info off the workstations and
use tape backups to minimize human error.

If you're giving that advice to clients, you are short-changing them.
Tape backups are nothing but removable media, which in more up to date
sysems is now changed to DVD media.

Read the 2nd paragraph below. That user had an external drive. Did
he ever use it? Unfortunately, no. When he had a Windows laptop,
whenever he was onsite our backup implementation performed the backup
for him. Now he's offsite more than onsite, and it was left up to him.

Bad policy. If that's an employee, he needs to be reprimanded and
warned, with a follow-thru. The laptop belongs to the company, not the
employee in any kind of situation that makes sense. And the company can
require anything they please of it.
Actually IME most travel machines are used for nothing but e-mail,
demoes and shows anyway, not to carry important data. Training needs to
be part of the plan; not a few verbal requests.

You can't do anything about backups for anyone you have no control over.
But you sure can for the ones you do. And your own, of course.

HTH,

Twayne`

 

[Unknown]

Response inline! Think in terms of the average home user.

1. IMO externals SHOULD be connected and up anytime the computer is ON.

What on earth for? Why not power on when needed.

2. Backups can be scheduled; because it's an external drive makes zero
difference to the schedulers that run the backups.

They can be scheduled but it gives a good feeling when the backup is done
after running error free. Less chance of backing up a virus.

3. Backups should seldom be MANUAL! My backup app peforms ALL backup
functions, including monitoring for a data increase in excess of over 250
Meg on any drive, and runs an incremental whenever that happens.

Why? No reason to not do a manual backup.

4. In an almost ideal situation, backups are never wasting space on any
internal drive. Backup drives should be large enough to contain multiple
copies of backups in case one happens to include some sort of malware

Why isn't it wasted space? If you have a good external backup drive the
internal is wasted space. Remember ---average home user..

5. In an almost ideal situation, there are multiple external drives or a
dedicated housing for external drives. Drives are switched in/out on a
predetermined schedule. Drives not on duty are powered down and
physically disconnected while they are idle and only the needed drive is
powered and physically connected. All automated. User never does
anything about backups; it's done for them.

This is for corporations not home users. I might add my experience is that
the backups were done manually at the end of the day. (MY experience only)

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:10:32 AM, and on a
whim, Twayne pounded out on the keyboard:

1. IMO externals SHOULD be connected and up anytime the computer is ON.

That's your opinion. And in light of the dozens of incidents I've
experienced with what you suggest, it's a bad one.

2. Backups can be scheduled; because it's an external drive makes zero
difference to the schedulers that run the backups.

Are you reminding yourself of the obvious?

3. Backups should seldom be MANUAL! My backup app peforms ALL backup
functions, including monitoring for a data increase in excess of over
250 Meg on any drive, and runs an incremental whenever that happens.

Did anyone state they should be manual? Read my post a little closer
and you'll find out.

4. In an almost ideal situation, backups are never wasting space on any
internal drive. Backup drives should be large enough to contain multiple
copies of backups in case one happens to include some sort of malware.

Yes, that's why I have 3 internal drives. Do you just like seeing your
thoughts?

5. In an almost ideal situation, there are multiple external drives or a
dedicated housing for external drives. Drives are switched in/out on a
predetermined schedule. Drives not on duty are powered down and
physically disconnected while they are idle and only the needed drive is
powered and physically connected. All automated. User never does
anything about backups; it's done for them.

And you're not describing 99% of any single user. For this workstation,
I have 3 internal drives and 3 USB drives. Who are you preaching to again?

6. Anyone in charge of backups who doesn't monitor the state of the
backups OFTEN shouldn't be in charge of them. Anyone making people
perform manual backups is asking for trouble no matter how you look at
it, if their data is really "irreplaceable" AND of great imortance to
them. I have a lot of "irreplaceable" data backed up, not all of it
critical though. In fact, some of it I'd never miss, but it still
couldn't be replaced. Backups need to be constantly verified at least
visually and periodically by testing.

Stating what has already been stated.

If you're giving that advice to clients, you are short-changing them.
Tape backups are nothing but removable media, which in more up to date
sysems is now changed to DVD media.

I'm sorry, do you admin ANY networks? You have no idea what you are
talking about. Tape can store upwards to 800 gig of data. What are you
talking about using DVD's! AND back up at a rate that even hard drives
can't achieve. One of the most common on my networks is the Ultrium 3.
Read and learn:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/storage/tape/oem/t800v/specifications.html
and then talk about your DVD's.

Bad policy. If that's an employee, he needs to be reprimanded and
warned, with a follow-thru. The laptop belongs to the company, not the
employee in any kind of situation that makes sense. And the company can
require anything they please of it.

Again, you didn't read it. He is the OWNER of the company.

Actually IME most travel machines are used for nothing but e-mail,
demoes and shows anyway, not to carry important data. Training needs to
be part of the plan; not a few verbal requests.

Again, you don't admin networks. Laptop users carry EVERYTHING with
them. I implement BExec DLO on every laptop and it constantly monitors
changes while onsite. Exchange handles the email.

You can't do anything about backups for anyone you have no control over.
But you sure can for the ones you do. And your own, of course.

HTH,

Twayne`

No, when you admin a network, the onus is on you. I took it personally
when the drive died. Even though I tried to meet with him, emailed him,
I still felt partially responsible.



Terry R.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:50:05 AM, and on a
whim, Twayne pounded out on the keyboard:

If the most you're doing is backing up to a constantly connected
external drive (and the onboard internal) then you don't take your data
seriously enough if you consider it "irreplaceable". One strong surge
at the right time can take out multiple drives, conrtollers and more.
Your external drive is still susceptible to viruses and malware the
second you connect it, not to mention fire, theft, a severe lightning
strike unless you unplug the phone cable, data and power connectors,
and a few other things not mentioned. Even your telephone connection is
an entry point for strong lightning surges and won't stop them. A UPS
with SW controls is also pretty important.
You have only implemented the first part of protection security. You
should do a little research and continue on to adding stages 2 and 3,
which are periodically burning DVDs of the backups and keeping one copy
off-site or at least nowhere near the computer and not in the same
building if possible. There's a little more to it, but that's it in a
nutshell.

HTH,

Twayne`

No HTH at all. You need to re-read what I wrote and realize that
EVERYTHING you wrote does not apply to my backup procedures NOR what I
recommend to clients, NOR what is implemented on networks.

You are the one that said an external drive should be connected and on
all the time (in the other reply) and here you state the opposite.
Clearly you don't really know which is better, since you contradicted
yourself in your own boasting of your knowledge.

I been a network administrator for 15 years. Your experience appears to
be only on a single user level. There is no need to try to suggest you
are offering a method that is better than ones I implement on a network
level. Your comment, "You have only implemented the first part of
protection security" shows you are only interested in what you have to
say, not what has already been discussed.


Terry R.

 

[Bill in Co.]

The date and time was Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:32:18 AM, and on a
whim, RJK pounded out on the keyboard:


You have found the balance IMO Richard. Using both IS the best method.

I agree. Having both seems to be the most useful and prudent, because
there are some advantages and disadvantages to each approach on its own.

 

[Twayne]

You're just looking to argue and not discuss anything. I could go thru
and point by point everything you said but it's not worth that much
effort to me.

I will add a few inlines though, just in case a crack appears in your
closed mind:


....

That's your opinion. And in light of the dozens of incidents I've
experienced with what you suggest, it's a bad one.

It's an excellent one, in view of the fact that a backup may occur at
any time in addition to scheduled backups. What you're really objecting
to is an opinion different from your own.

Are you reminding yourself of the obvious?

No, because if you'll reread what you wrote, you said that.

Did anyone state they should be manual? Read my post a little closer
and you'll find out.

Yes, you did.

Yes, that's why I have 3 internal drives. Do you just like seeing
your thoughts?

No, the internal drive for backups is buying you very little. Dual
external drives are much better and just as easily managed for those
with the experience. e.g. never connect both at the same time; power
AND data are traded from one to other. One goes bad? Easy to
replace/repair since no need to open the case.
As for seeing my thoughts, I do occasionally find responses such as
this one comedic, often in what they leave out, since the
internal/external seems to be the total extent of your "protection".

And you're not describing 99% of any single user.

Did I say I was describing 99%? No, I didn't.
And I still stand with automation is the only good way; where you
indicate so many problems with manual operations. Manual is out, auto
is in. You need to go thru some best practices IMO.

For this

workstation, I have 3 internal drives and 3 USB drives. Who are you
preaching to
again?

I don't preach; I suggest that you are only partially protected and that
part of what you are doing is more of a waste of space than it is
protection. You can even often find externals for less than the cost of
internals, interestingly enough. Who ever said marketing made sense?

Stating what has already been stated.

But not by you.

I'm sorry, do you admin ANY networks? You have no idea what you are
talking about. Tape can store upwards to 800 gig of data. What are
you talking about using DVD's! AND back up at a rate that even hard
drives can't achieve. One of the most common on my networks is the
Ultrium 3. Read and learn:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/storage/tape/oem/t800v/specifications.html
and then talk about your DVD's.

It's your problem if you want to lump home/company LANs together.
You're being silly here and besides, it's something you don't do for
yourself you intimated, so ...

Again, you didn't read it. He is the OWNER of the company.

I don't see that in any way in the quote you provided though.

So? Then when I said "if it's an employee" he's covered, right? If
it's the owner and he's a client, then he's even more stupid for not
following at least the mediocre advice you provided him. Or, maybe he
knows it was mediocre.

Again, you don't admin networks.

Did I say I did? I do, but I didn't say I did. Each is much more
secure than anything you described with your own situation. One client
uses a firesafe on premises because he has no other alternatives he
thinks, and the other two have bank boxes they use for their tapes in
one situation, DVDs in the other one. It takes a pretty decent sized
LAN before data occupies very many DVDs as a rule. If you're backing up
the OS and data at the same time, you're highly likely wasting space
again.

Laptop users carry EVERYTHING with

them. I implement BExec DLO on every laptop and it constantly
monitors changes while onsite. Exchange handles the email.

And ... ? Laptops are special animals and require different
considerations than on-premises machines that are always-connected,
wired or over the air.

No, when you admin a network, the onus is on you. I took it
personally when the drive died. Even though I tried to meet with
him, emailed him, I still felt partially responsible.

lol, NO idea what that's about, but anyway ...

That's good; and as it should be. If you're admin to a network, it's
health is your responsibility. But you can't seem to keep track of
whether you're talking about your own machine or some fictitious network
in a company.

I don't intend to indulge you further on this. You're out to argue, not
discuss or present a differenvce of opinion. Everything you state you
seem to feel is fact and that's wrong.

Enjoy.

 

[Terry R.]

The date and time was Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:10:35 PM, and on a whim,
Twayne pounded out on the keyboard:

You're just looking to argue and not discuss anything. I could go thru
and point by point everything you said but it's not worth that much
effort to me.


I don't intend to indulge you further on this. You're out to argue, not
discuss or present a differenvce of opinion. Everything you state you
seem to feel is fact and that's wrong.

Enjoy.

Twayne,

It's obvious by reading even the first two responses that you didn't
re-read my post. You've made inaccurate responses to things I said. So
without you fully knowing exactly what I said, there is no reason to
continue. And yes, I will argue with someone telling me that tape isn't
a good backup medium when I used it in regards to network backup and
then to suggest backing up to DVD's.

You go on believing you know it all, and I'll go on doing what has
worked for my clients and myself for years.


Terry R.