OT: Bye Bye, Microsoft IIs web server!

[ncaHammer]

(1) that survey was done by a company that sells IIs software add-ons

(2) you're comparing 1000 websites with 43 MILLION websites.

That probably make more money than the rest websites. I bet that the top10k
or top100k the IIS % is the same or higher, i also bet that apache has much

(3) the decision on what to use is often in the hands of marketing
types who go with the default choice - ie. at the time they made the
decision, open source was not a viable choice politically....that is
changing now.

#define now
The open source holds just a 16%
If i interpret the results correctly most have IIS 5.0.
What have changed in Apache since IIS 5.0 released ?

(4) what was the percentage share of IIs 1 year ago - i'll bet ya it
would have been higher...

Don't know, what's your point ?

in fact, in 6 months (jan to july) IIs dropped from 54+% to
53+%...apache dropped too, but only because of apache-derived http
servers like IBM Http (which comes with websphere) and probably
SunONE.

You are splitting hairs,
That does not change the fact the Windows OS has a % much larger than 54%

 

[Jim Richardson]

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Blogs just make the first baby steps.
As it is now reminds me the gopher protocol, but i think that they will move
forward very fast.
You don't know yet how they might look when they reach a mass-usable form


What's the difference from now, where cheap hosting already exists ?


Maybe, but their is no money for developers like us there. If you
building apps for corporations (like you IIRC) IIS must be your first
choice. Apache maybe be everywhere for hosting mass free (no money)
apps, for serious apps seems that IIS is the preferred app platform.

I disagree, most of the clients I deal with, want Apache/PHP etc. They
like the ability to walk away from me if they can, keeping the code
open, allows them to do that. They aren't tied to any one
developer/company, and they *really* like that. I don't do IIS, but I
don't have to turn away people very often, I have a friend who is
MICROS~1/IIS only, and he sends me plenty of people. In fact, he just
bought a couple of books on LAMP stuff recently

As far for PHP, IIRC is an interpreted (dynamic typing) language/framework.
Meaning has no added value for a sw-house to invest on, it is a "front-page"
framework replaceable between two breaths<g>

It's a language yes, of course it lets you add value. You write in it...
If you mean, you can't turn around and sell them a licence for PHP (well
you can, but they'd be pretty silly to buy it from you) then so what? I
make money off of the code I write, and the code I integrate. Nothing
out there is exactly what the client wants, that's why they want someone
to write it. Being able to take say, postnuke, and tweak it a little,
means I can turn it around fast, and have lost of features, for little
$$ from the client. They like that too. Feel free to stick to IIS, I am
sure some people will happily pay the $$ for the various levels of
licence fees, and CALs &etc. For now...

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[asj]

Blogs just make the first baby steps.
As it is now reminds me the gopher protocol, but i think that they will move
forward very fast.
You don't know yet how they might look when they reach a mass-usable form

oh, blogs are definitely all over the place and the content on them is
quite a bit higher than usenet.

check out:
http://www.javablogs.com/
http://www.freeroller.net/index.jsp

and since i'm not averse to advertising, check out my blog ;-)
http://www.freeroller.net/page/kalimantan

* freeroller.net needs some work though....

 

[Tim Tyler]

: oh, blogs are definitely all over the place and the content on them is
: quite a bit higher than usenet.

No doubt that depends on whose blog you are looking at.

So far my impression of blogs is that it's difficult to find anything -
and that the infrastructure doesn't work very well.

 

[luke]

So far my impression of blogs is that it's difficult to find anything -
and that the infrastructure doesn't work very well.

A common complaint is this:
http://www.freeroller.net/page/Sayaka/20030818#what_freeroller_net_desperately_needs

I noticed I get some errors as well at times (404 errors).

 

[Bo Persson]

Hi Rossi !


Maybe the same thoughts made by the top 1000 corporations
when they have to pick the most safe Web server, guess what did they
choose<g>

http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers

One problem here is that the stats are for the public front ends of
the companies web systems. It doesn't say anything about the system
doing the actual work.

For my company, this survey reports Lotus Notes because that is the
first server to respond. After you log in to the real services, it is
actually IBM WebSphere that does all the heavy work.

How would you measure that?


Some systems even lie about who they are, to avoid some silly attacks!



Bo Persson

 

[asj]

I am not saying this.
I want something more usable and powerful (something between Usenet,
messenger, home page) and an API that a newbie can implement.
But currently all tools (rss-aggregators etc) and specs imho SBT. I hope
that will change fast

hmmm..that may be so, but the current technology is really ver
effective in spreading information - the fact that each blogger is
posting to his/her OWN space (unlike usenet) means that the ideas they
place forward are better thought and fleshed out.

it is also a hell LOT of fun to read...i did not realize the java
community was so much like a jerry springer show until i started
reading javablogs.com ( http://www.javablogs.com/ ) recently, with
distinct personalities and grudges flying all over the place.

here's one blog that veers into personal attacks and is just darn
funny (Warning: the freeroller.net site is still in beta testing and
is somewhat unreliable)*:
http://www.freeroller.net/page/fate/

the jboss entry in it generated lots of controversy even in the
normally staid theserverside.com:
http://www.theserverside.com/home/printthread.jsp?thread_id=19897&noise=hide

* for people who don't understand why hani jokes about gerald in the
latest entry, it's because gerald is the point man for the "Free Java
movement":
http://viva.sourceforge.net/action.html

gerald also makes quite a scene at javalobby.org, where he takes daily
abuse from everyone. haha...seems like a nice guy though.

also, here's an "assimilated" ex-vb developer who thinks java is the
borg - LOL!
http://www.freeroller.net/page/Sayaka

like i said, it's a freakin' hoot...