OT: Bye Bye, Microsoft IIs web server!

[luke]

As noted several times, the use of Microsoft will continue to be
eroded by Linux and other *nix on the server, especially given the
security challenges faced by IIs.

As an indication of this, Microsoft IIs servers have been continuously
dropping market share since last year, when it topped 33% of all 45
million websites sampled.

More recently, it has been dropping marketshare at a rate of 1% per
month, and now stands at 24% of all sites.

For August (and July), the biggest gainer was SunONE.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/01/august_2003_web_server_survey.html

 

[Roedy Green]

More recently, it has been dropping marketshare at a rate of 1% per
month, and now stands at 24% of all sites.

For August (and July), the biggest gainer was SunONE.

What are the factors causing people to switch servers? economics?
security? non-proprietariness? People don't usually like to switch
unless in great pain.

 

[GreyCloud]

I was wondering when one of you two idiots (the other being asj, of course)
would crawl out from under your rock. It's kinda late in the week - did your
"rumble" wear you out?

Bob Lehmann


http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/01/august_2003_web_server_survey.h
tml

Is there a problem with these stats??

 

[Jim Richardson]

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Is there a problem with these stats??

Only for $OTHER_OS


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[Erik Funkenbusch]

As noted several times, the use of Microsoft will continue to be
eroded by Linux and other *nix on the server, especially given the
security challenges faced by IIs.

As an indication of this, Microsoft IIs servers have been continuously
dropping market share since last year, when it topped 33% of all 45
million websites sampled.

More recently, it has been dropping marketshare at a rate of 1% per
month, and now stands at 24% of all sites.

For August (and July), the biggest gainer was SunONE.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/01/august_2003_web_server_survey.html

While MS has indeed been dropping in percentages of overall sites, it
has been steadily gaining in percentages of active sites, gaining almost
half a % while Apache lost .26%.

Further, I think your math is off. Microsoft was at 35% overall in Feb
of 2002. BTW, your math is off. 9% over 18 months is not 1% a month.

What MS has lost is a few high volume parking sites, such as verisign.
However, verisign has been jumping all over the place over the last few
years, going from Solaris, to BSD, to Linux to Windows back to Solaris.

 

[Jim Richardson]

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While MS has indeed been dropping in percentages of overall sites, it
has been steadily gaining in percentages of active sites, gaining almost
half a % while Apache lost .26%.

Further, I think your math is off. Microsoft was at 35% overall in Feb
of 2002. BTW, your math is off. 9% over 18 months is not 1% a month.

What MS has lost is a few high volume parking sites, such as verisign.
However, verisign has been jumping all over the place over the last few
years, going from Solaris, to BSD, to Linux to Windows back to Solaris.

Numbers are *such* fun....


Active sites
Developer November 2002 Percent December 2002 Percent Change
Apache 10729462 64.69 11065427 66.54 1.85
Microsoft 4244842 25.59 4113590 24.74 -0.85
Zeus 271753 1.64 258367 1.55 -0.09
SunONE 230902 1.39 229081 1.38 -0.01


Developer July 2003 Percent August 2003 Percent Change
Apache 13168488 67.54 13325183 67.28 -0.26
Microsoft 4676130 23.98 4839624 24.44 0.46
Zeus 280953 1.44 265011 1.34 -0.1
SunONE 220630 1.13 213943 1.08 -0.05


Over the period from the Nov 2002 survey, to the current one. IIS has
lost approx 1.5% of market share.

Nov2002-Aug2003 Change
Raw Numbers % of change
IIS 594782 14%
Apache 2595721 24%


Yeah, looks pretty poor for MICROS~1. They haven't even caught up to
their Marketshare % of Nov2002. Apache of course, outstripped them in
numbers of new active sites, % of increase of active sites, and market
share increase since Nov. Wanna go back even further?

Now, if IIS can *keep* increasing like they did from June - August of
this year, all well and good. We will have to see. But it doesn't look
too good for them, when you start looking at the numbers from month to
month. Actually, IIS hasn't even recovered the share it lost in the
may to june 2003 surveys.


Allways glad to debunk Erik, it's fun.

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[Bob Lehmann]

No, the problem is with the OT *nix/java trolls, spewing their religion,
backed up by meaningless, cherry-picked stats and quotes.

Bob Lehmann

 

[john bailo]

Erik Funkenbusch:

years, going from Solaris, to BSD, to Linux to Windows back to Solaris.

which is really bad news for Windows.

 

[asj]

No, the problem is with the OT *nix/java trolls, spewing their religion,
backed up by meaningless, cherry-picked stats and quotes.

you gotta get some valium dude...these histrionics aren't good for you.

 

[Tim Tyler]

: (e-mail address removed) (luke) wrote or quoted :

[MS IIS]

:>More recently, it has been dropping marketshare at a rate of 1% per
:>month, and now stands at 24% of all sites.
:>
:>For August (and July), the biggest gainer was SunONE.

: What are the factors causing people to switch servers? economics?
: security? non-proprietariness? People don't usually like to switch
: unless in great pain.

Such statistics could be produced by growth alone - even if nobody
ever switched server OS.

 

[Rosimildo da Silva]

What MS has lost is a few high volume parking sites, such as verisign.
However, verisign has been jumping all over the place over the last few
years, going from Solaris, to BSD, to Linux to Windows back to Solaris.

Sometime this is good, it makes you to realize that there are a few safe
places here. <g>

Rosimildo.

 

[ncaHammer]

Hi Rossi !

Sometime this is good, it makes you to realize that there are a few safe
places here. <g>

Maybe the same thoughts made by the top 1000 corporations
when they have to pick the most safe Web server, guess what did they
choose<g>

http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers

 

[Tim Tyler]

: : What are the factors causing people to switch servers? economics?
: : security? non-proprietariness? People don't usually like to switch
: : unless in great pain.

: Such statistics could be produced by growth alone - even if nobody
: ever switched server OS.

In this case Netcraft say:

``Following on from last month, Microsoft continued to lose sites as
Network Solutions migrated the rest of their domain parking system back
to Solaris from a Windows based system hosted at Interland. This is
primarily responsible for Microsoft's 2.2% fall, with a net loss of
810,597 sites.''

- http://news.netcraft.com/

 

[Roedy Green]

However, verisign has been jumping all over the place over the last few
years, going from Solaris, to BSD, to Linux to Windows back to Solaris.

Imagine what would happen to Verisign if there were a news story about
them being hacked. They have to go with the most secure possible
servers.

 

[Rosimildo da Silva]

Hi Rossi !




Maybe the same thoughts made by the top 1000 corporations
when they have to pick the most safe Web server, guess what did they
choose<g>

http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers

Thanks for the link. But, with "Blogs" going all ove the places, and
people looking for cheap hosting, I would think apache/php is going to
kill IIS for "All sites".

Rosimildo.

 

[43]

Rosimildo da Silva:

Thanks for the link. But, with "Blogs" going all ove the places, and
people looking for cheap hosting, I would think apache/php is going to
kill IIS for "All sites".

apache won already.

free beats cost.

end of story.

 

[asj]

when they have to pick the most safe Web server, guess what did they
choose<g>

http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers

ROTFLOL!

(1) that survey was done by a company that sells IIs software add-ons
(2) you're comparing 1000 websites with 43 MILLION websites.
(3) the decision on what to use is often in the hands of marketing
types who go with the default choice - ie. at the time they made the
decision, open source was not a viable choice politically....that is
changing now.
(4) what was the percentage share of IIs 1 year ago - i'll bet ya it
would have been higher...

in fact, in 6 months (jan to july) IIs dropped from 54+% to
53+%...apache dropped too, but only because of apache-derived http
servers like IBM Http (which comes with websphere) and probably
SunONE.

 

[asj]

Actually, if you look at the Fortune 1000 companys, you'll see that IIS is
the most widely used platform. Apache even comes in after Netscape, so that
says a lot about Apache.
http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers/

says what about apache?

(1) the decision on what server to use for very large companies tend
to be based on marketing considerations, not technical ones...that is,
the default is not to use open source...however, that is changing now.

(2) you're comparing 1000 websites with 43 MILLION web sites sampled.

(3) the company who did that sampling sells IIS add-ons...

(4) what's important is what is the trend, NOT what it is right
now...if you look at 6 months ago, IIs dropped in that top 1000 survey
from 54%+ to 53%+.....apache dropped too, BUT only because
apache-derived servers (like IBM Http server, which comes with J2EE
app server websphere) jumped significantly in that period.

 

[Jim Richardson]

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ROTFLOL!

(1) that survey was done by a company that sells IIs software add-ons
(2) you're comparing 1000 websites with 43 MILLION websites.
(3) the decision on what to use is often in the hands of marketing
types who go with the default choice - ie. at the time they made the
decision, open source was not a viable choice politically....that is
changing now.
(4) what was the percentage share of IIs 1 year ago - i'll bet ya it
would have been higher...

in fact, in 6 months (jan to july) IIs dropped from 54+% to
53+%...apache dropped too, but only because of apache-derived http
servers like IBM Http (which comes with websphere) and probably
SunONE.

Look at some of those prices for stuff that they sell, stuff for IIS,
that Apache does with no added cost Dang, looks like replacing Apache
with IIS could get *really* expensive.


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[ncaHammer]

Thanks for the link. But, with "Blogs" going all ove the places,

Blogs just make the first baby steps.
As it is now reminds me the gopher protocol, but i think that they will move
forward very fast.
You don't know yet how they might look when they reach a mass-usable form

and
people looking for cheap hosting,

What's the difference from now, where cheap hosting already exists ?

I would think apache/php is going to
kill IIS for "All sites".

Maybe, but their is no money for developers like us there.
If you building apps for corporations (like you IIRC) IIS must be your first
choice. Apache maybe be everywhere for hosting mass free (no money) apps,
for serious apps seems that IIS is the preferred app platform.

As far for PHP, IIRC is an interpreted (dynamic typing) language/framework.
Meaning has no added value for a sw-house to invest on, it is a "front-page"
framework replaceable between two breaths<g>

Regards