OT Bill Gates "population control with vaccines"

[John Doe]

If you don't want to read further, this is the question.

Are vaccines used for birth control?

I thought the claim was strange, and maybe Bill Gates misspoke,
but...

Here is the YouTube video.

Here is the point of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=T9vZLlJhI7o#t=120s

He says "if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services...we could lower the population by 10 or
15%".

Vaccines are used for birth control?

I would ask the same about "health care", but everybody knows what
health care is (or at least what it is supposed to be).

 

[Man-wai Chang]

I would ask the same about "health care", but everybody knows what

health care is (or at least what it is supposed to be).

Ask him what incest is!

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[Metspitzer]

If you don't want to read further, this is the question.

Are vaccines used for birth control?

I thought the claim was strange, and maybe Bill Gates misspoke,
but...

Here is the YouTube video.

Here is the point of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=T9vZLlJhI7o#t=120s

He says "if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services...we could lower the population by 10 or
15%".

Vaccines are used for birth control?

I would ask the same about "health care", but everybody knows what
health care is (or at least what it is supposed to be).

You say that like that would be a bad thing. Help people that insist
on having more kids than they can feed do a little family planning.
They certainly are not doing any planning of any kind.

I think it is a brilliant idea. A really simple solution to human
suffering is to have less humans. The population growth can't
continue. It will stop. The most humane way to do that is to lower
births.

 

[GMAN]

You say that like that would be a bad thing. Help people that insist
on having more kids than they can feed do a little family planning.
They certainly are not doing any planning of any kind.

I think it is a brilliant idea. A really simple solution to human
suffering is to have less humans. The population growth can't
continue. It will stop. The most humane way to do that is to lower
births.

Like China?

 

[Paul]

If you don't want to read further, this is the question.

Are vaccines used for birth control?

He says "if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services...we could lower the population by 10 or
15%".

Vaccines are used for birth control?

Reproductive health services, includes educating people how reproduction
occurs, and how to stop it. That includes tying tubes or vasectomy, for
couples that have had enough children, and would prefer to stop having them.

You might think it funny, but there are couples who don't know how to
stop having children.

Vaccines are used to cure perfectly preventable conditions, such as HPV.
HPV causes cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpv

Anything Bill Gates introduces, has to be approved by local health
authorities.

Paul

 

[Paul]

I think it is a brilliant idea. A really simple solution to human
suffering is to have less humans. The population growth can't
continue. It will stop. The most humane way to do that is to lower
births.

It will stop, no matter what you do. It's called a sigmoid curve.

http://www.ibguides.com/images/biology/5.3.1.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function

"A typical application of the logistic equation is a common model of
population growth, originally due to Pierre-François Verhulst in 1838,
where the rate of reproduction is proportional to both the existing
population and the amount of available resources, all else being equal."

If you test that with single cell organisms, you're likely to get
the requisite (sigmoid) shape.

When human population is "resource limited", the shape of the
curve is not likely to be smooth. Likely some big downward spikes.
That's where intelligence fits in. And lethality multipliers.

At the moment, I don't see intelligence playing much of a part.

Paul

 

[Metspitzer]

If you don't want to read further, this is the question.

Are vaccines used for birth control?

I thought the claim was strange, and maybe Bill Gates misspoke,
but...

Here is the YouTube video.

Here is the point of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=T9vZLlJhI7o#t=120s

He says "if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services...we could lower the population by 10 or
15%".

Vaccines are used for birth control?

I would ask the same about "health care", but everybody knows what
health care is (or at least what it is supposed to be).

I just discovered a group of podcasts yesterday. The one I am looking
for was mentioned in a RSS feed. I didn't find the one I was looking
for but I saved the list:
http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/american-museum-natural-history/id305194792
The one called "The New Universe and the Human Future" talks about
exponential growth.

It is a little dry, but it talks about doubling algae in a pond
doesn't seem to be much of a problem until the last two cycles.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He says "if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services...we could lower the population by 10 or
15%".

Vaccines are used for birth control?

I would ask the same about "health care", but everybody knows what
health care is (or at least what it is supposed to be).

Note "reproductive health services" in your quote.

 

[Loony]

Note "reproductive health services" in your quote.

It's time that humans stopped breeding like rodents and give our
polluted planet a chance to recover.

 

[GMAN]

Reproductive health services, includes educating people how reproduction
occurs, and how to stop it. That includes tying tubes or vasectomy, for
couples that have had enough children, and would prefer to stop having them.

You might think it funny, but there are couples who don't know how to
stop having children.

Vaccines are used to cure perfectly preventable conditions, such as HPV.
HPV causes cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hpv

Anything Bill Gates introduces, has to be approved by local health
authorities.

Paul

And ANYTHING "introduced" to me or my families bodies absolutely MUST be
approved by me, not some fuggin official at the state, OR expecially federal
level.

 

[GMAN]

It's time that humans stopped breeding like rodents and give our
polluted planet a chance to recover.

We are so insignificant the the whole scheme of things that the Earth will go
on regardless of us.

 

[John Doe]

It's time that humans stopped breeding like rodents and give our
polluted planet a chance to recover.

More people means more drilling for oil and gas. If I were Mother
and Earth, I certainly wouldn't want that nasty gooey stinky stuff
left inside of me. Mother Earth breathes a sigh of relief with the
drilling of every new oil well.

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[SC Tom]

It will stop, no matter what you do. It's called a sigmoid curve.

http://www.ibguides.com/images/biology/5.3.1.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function

"A typical application of the logistic equation is a common model of
population growth, originally due to Pierre-François Verhulst in 1838,
where the rate of reproduction is proportional to both the existing
population and the amount of available resources, all else being equal."

If you test that with single cell organisms, you're likely to get
the requisite (sigmoid) shape.

When human population is "resource limited", the shape of the
curve is not likely to be smooth. Likely some big downward spikes.
That's where intelligence fits in. And lethality multipliers.

At the moment, I don't see intelligence playing much of a part.

"Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here."

Sooner or later, growth will stop because of lack of resources (as quoted above). The bad part is, if we (as a race)
wait that long, what will life be like afterwards? I keep thinking of scenes from "Soylent Green" or "Terminator 3."

In reply to GMAN, China really doesn't have a bad idea; they just have a terrible way of going about it.

As far as the "vaccines" go, would reversible sterility until age 21 (or older) really be all that bad an idea? Doesn't
anyone besides me get tired of seeing 15 year old girls wheeling their 2 year olds through the store? Where are the
resources going to come from to support this uneducated horde (since most drop out of school after childbirth) that will
be the next two generations? You can't eat tax dollars, even if there will be a working force left to tax.

I better stop here. I'm sure I'll get enough flame out of this to heat my house this coming winter (unless the
"terrorists" decide to provide us all with a nuclear winter).

 

[John Doe]

China really doesn't have a bad idea; they just have a terrible
way of going about it.

In other words... Your creed is "Greed is good, jobs Americans
won't do, I couldn't care less about anything except money". You
don't think twice about putting your fellow Americans out of work
when you go to the store, so you can save a few pennies.

Communism China sucks. Communist Chinese slave labor sucks. Stop
helping the ruling class destroy our democracy.

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[Paul]

In other words... Your creed is "Greed is good, jobs Americans
won't do, I couldn't care less about anything except money". You
don't think twice about putting your fellow Americans out of work
when you go to the store, so you can save a few pennies.

Communism China sucks. Communist Chinese slave labor sucks. Stop
helping the ruling class destroy our democracy.

I think he was referring to the Chinese ideas on limiting population
growth. Where a family is limited as to how many children they can have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

Paul

 

[Metspitzer]

If you don't want to read further, this is the question.

Are vaccines used for birth control?

I thought the claim was strange, and maybe Bill Gates misspoke,
but...

Here is the YouTube video.

Here is the point of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=T9vZLlJhI7o#t=120s

He says "if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care,
reproductive health services...we could lower the population by 10 or
15%".

Vaccines are used for birth control?

I would ask the same about "health care", but everybody knows what
health care is (or at least what it is supposed to be).

 

[John Doe]

That would be a good question for Bill Gates to dodge.

Should a poor woman be allowed to have as many children as she
can, with the government supporting her and every last one of her
children?

What if she doesn't want "reproductive health services"...

Women's "rights" advocates have no answer for that question.
Or maybe it's "Let's all be like Communist China."

 

[SC Tom]

In other words... Your creed is "Greed is good, jobs Americans
won't do, I couldn't care less about anything except money". You
don't think twice about putting your fellow Americans out of work
when you go to the store, so you can save a few pennies.

Communism China sucks. Communist Chinese slave labor sucks. Stop
helping the ruling class destroy our democracy.

My answer had nothing to do with their politics, greed, or money. The response was to GMAN's reply about birth control,
which is not a bad idea, but their way of going about it is not so good.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

We are so insignificant the the whole scheme of things that the Earth will go
on regardless of us.

Earth will. The biosphere, though...

1) We could shoot it out. The result very well might do as much
damage as the KT impactor.

2) If global warming causes the methane hydrate layers to let go we
might do far worse than that. There's a point in the fossil record
that's almost blank due to heat, it could happen again.

 

[KR]

That would be a good question for Bill Gates to dodge.

Should a poor woman be allowed to have as many children as she
can, with the government supporting her and every last one of her
children?

What if she doesn't want "reproductive health services"...

Women's "rights" advocates have no answer for that question.
Or maybe it's "Let's all be like Communist China."

I don't have a problem with people having as many kids as they want,
as long as it can be shown that they can fully pay for them at the
time. I do have a problem with the taxpayer paying for people having
kids, (except in the case of legitimate parents becoming
incapacitated, widowed or other things beyond their control)
especially when we are talking about bogans who make a career out of
breeding for welfare income and the taxpayer is forced to foot the
bill for the "child support"