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[NoStop]

From Ron Schenone, MVP Blog

Quote ...
* It is unbelievable it took five years to achieve this and the results
are disappointing to say the least.
* Where are the OEM hardware manufacturers? I can’t believe it is taking
so long for them to come up with Vista compliant drivers. Is it they
suspected that Vista would be a dud?
* For the amount of money people are spending for the new OS, I don’t
think it is unreasonable for them to expect it to work. At least be on par
with XP, or we had all hoped it would surpass XP. This does not seem to be
the case.
* This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or even
Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right out
of the box (actually, it’s a free download), it worked perfectly. Go
figure. And, again, it’s FREE!

.... End Quote

Full article here:
http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-experts-are-giving-up-on-it/
or ...
http://tinyurl.com/38crd5

Cheers.

--
The "Wow" starts now.

"No sane person wants Vista, so Microsoft is making sure they have no
choice."
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html

 

[kirk jim]

I predicted the IT experts will bash vista like no other OS ever before....

First of all I bashed it... I am always ahead of my time.. it took months
for the others to catch on...

 

[JimR]

From Ron Schenone, MVP Blog

Quote ...
* It is unbelievable it took five years to achieve this and the results
are disappointing to say the least.
* Where are the OEM hardware manufacturers? I can’t believe it is
taking
so long for them to come up with Vista compliant drivers. Is it they
suspected that Vista would be a dud?
* For the amount of money people are spending for the new OS, I don’t
think it is unreasonable for them to expect it to work. At least be on par
with XP, or we had all hoped it would surpass XP. This does not seem to be
the case.
* This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or
even
Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right out
of the box (actually, it’s a free download), it worked perfectly. Go
figure. And, again, it’s FREE!

... End Quote

Full article here:
http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-experts-are-giving-up-on-it/
or ...
http://tinyurl.com/38crd5

Cheers.

--
The "Wow" starts now.

"No sane person wants Vista, so Microsoft is making sure they have no
choice."
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a little
hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista beta. You want
honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW for a kit car.
That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of wasting everyone's time
here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe you can help make it look better
than a high school computer project.

 

[Mike]

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a
little hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista
beta. You want honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a
BMW for a kit car. That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of
wasting everyone's time here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe
you can help make it look better than a high school computer project.

ROFL. Love it.

 

[HEMI-Powered]

Today, kirk jim made these interesting comments ...

I predicted the IT experts will bash vista like no other OS
ever before....

If by "IT" you mean them who get paid to keep the lights on at
their company, "they" have long been very conservative wrt new
anything, new O/S, new apps, new utilities, new NOS, new E-mail
clients/servers, new CAD/CAE/CAM systems, etc. And, they get paid
to ensure to the best of their ability that all surprises are
pleasant. That's impossible, of course, but running out and
installing Vista across an enterprise is simply foolhardy,
whether it is one or two or 20,000.

 

[Dustin Harper]

You'll always have the supporters and the naysayers. With Vista, I'm a
supporter. I love it. I've had the best of luck with it, and have built
quite a few machines and upgraded quite a few.

Although, with 512 of main memory and 64MB of it shared, one system is kinda
slow... But added another GB of RAM and it's fast.

For me, it's surpassed XP by a long shot. Linux has nothing for me on the
desktop, neither does a Mac. And yes, we are still waiting on OEM drivers.
MS can't be blamed on that one, though.

To each his own. Depends on your needs. Some guys swear by 3Com, others by
Cisco. And they will fight to the death (NERD FIGHT!).

 

[Guest]

Thank you JimR[MVP]!
While your version is more accurate, I don't see the overlap in quotes:

http://www.newsalloy.com/feed/5096/07/03/09/1/
http://www.betanews.com/article/Vista_Torrent_Offline_After_Legal_Threat/1150397386
http://torrentfreak.com/vista-beta-torrent-not-an-option/
http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/06/11/windows-vista-bittorrent-tracker/

On-the-other-hand:
It seems anytime anyone acknowledges that Mac or Linux even exist, their
underlings feel obligated to tell you the sky is falling.

Let's look at the real story: (Put your money where your mouth is...)
Despite negative reports, MSFT stocks exceed DJIA and NASDAQ in the months
prior to release of Vista. (It was Christmas.) Following the release, MSFT
stocks follow the Feb. dip and recovery that occurred across the board.
Oversea release is more strongly contested due to the unusually high prices
for Vista in foreign areas. Current volume: 23.7 million today. [A 1.5%
increase. 1.5% of 23.7 million is 355,000 more users.]

Apple had the same increase in the months prior to Vista release (again,
Christmas), but appears to have recovered better than MSFT after the February
dip. Current volume: 0.2 million trades today. [A 5% increase! 5% of 200,000
is 10,000 more users. Congratulations!]

How did Linux do? ROFL

At this rate Apple and Linux should catch up by the end of the century.

 

[LaRoux]

I'm not sure there is any real relationship between stock share trading
volume and market share\number of users but look at it this way, the Mac
debuted in 1984, about 3 years behind IBM's first DOS based PC. So in 23
years (longer if you count Lisa), with Billions of $ in R&D and marketing,
the Mac has climbed up to about 6% in market share.

Linux, introduced in 1992, has climbed to 3% in 15 years. With the thousands
of semi-pro developers working part time on making improvements to one or
more of the dozens of variants, I'm sure if enough people hate Vista, Linux
could double their current growth rate and still not even catch up to Mac
like numbers by the end of the decade. By then, everyone will be hating on
Vienna and Vista will probably be the best OS MS ever produced, but that's a
different story.

Let's look at the real story: (Put your money where your mouth is...)
Despite negative reports, MSFT stocks exceed DJIA and NASDAQ in the months
prior to release of Vista. (It was Christmas.) Following the release, MSFT
stocks follow the Feb. dip and recovery that occurred across the board.
Oversea release is more strongly contested due to the unusually high
prices
for Vista in foreign areas. Current volume: 23.7 million today. [A 1.5%
increase. 1.5% of 23.7 million is 355,000 more users.]

Apple had the same increase in the months prior to Vista release (again,
Christmas), but appears to have recovered better than MSFT after the
February
dip. Current volume: 0.2 million trades today. [A 5% increase! 5% of
200,000
is 10,000 more users. Congratulations!]

How did Linux do? ROFL

At this rate Apple and Linux should catch up by the end of the century.

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a little
hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista beta. You
want
honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW for a kit car.
That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of wasting everyone's time
here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe you can help make it look
better
than a high school computer project.

 

[Roy Schestowitz]

__/ [ JimR ] on Wednesday 21 March 2007 16:53 \__

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a little
hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista beta. You
want honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW for a kit car.
That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of wasting everyone's time
here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe you can help make it look better
than a high school computer project.

It's not just Pirillo. See what Ron said in the past:

Vista - Even The Experts Are Giving Up On It

,----[ Quote ]
| This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or even
| Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right
| out of the box (actually, it's a free download), it worked perfectly.
| Go figure. And, again, it's FREE!
`----

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-experts-are-giving-up-on-it/

--
~~ Best wishes

Roy S. Schestowitz | Windows O/S: who ownZ you tod4y?
http://Schestowitz.com | RHAT Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
9:05pm up 10 days 5:08, 8 users, load average: 1.12, 0.46, 0.26
http://iuron.com - Open Source knowledge engine project

 

[cc]

__/ [ JimR ] on Wednesday 21 March 2007 16:53 \__

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-expe...

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a little
hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista beta. You
want honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW for a kit car.
That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of wasting everyone's time
here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe you can help make it look better
than a high school computer project.

It's not just Pirillo. See what Ron said in the past:

Vista - Even The Experts Are Giving Up On It

,----[ Quote ]
| This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or even
| Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right
| out of the box (actually, it's a free download), it worked perfectly.
| Go figure. And, again, it's FREE!
`----

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-expe...

You repeated the same quote and link that the original poster used,
which is what JimR was responding to. In short, your response makes no
sense.

 

[Hadron Quark]

__/ [ JimR ] on Wednesday 21 March 2007 16:53 \__

From Ron Schenone, MVP Blog

Quote ...
* It is unbelievable it took five years to achieve this and the results
are disappointing to say the least.
* Where are the OEM hardware manufacturers? I can?t believe it is
taking
so long for them to come up with Vista compliant drivers. Is it they
suspected that Vista would be a dud?
* For the amount of money people are spending for the new OS, I don?t
think it is unreasonable for them to expect it to work. At least be on par
with XP, or we had all hoped it would surpass XP. This does not seem to be
the case.
* This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or
even
Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right out
of the box (actually, it?s a free download), it worked perfectly. Go
figure. And, again, it?s FREE!

... End Quote

Full article here:
http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-expe...





or ...
http://tinyurl.com/38crd5

"No sane person wants Vista, so Microsoft is making sure they have no
choice."
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a little
hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista beta. You
want honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW for a kit car.
That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of wasting everyone's time
here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe you can help make it look better
than a high school computer project.

It's not just Pirillo. See what Ron said in the past:

Vista - Even The Experts Are Giving Up On It

,----[ Quote ]
| This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or even
| Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right
| out of the box (actually, it's a free download), it worked perfectly.
| Go figure. And, again, it's FREE!
`----

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-expe...

You repeated the same quote and link that the original poster used,
which is what JimR was responding to. In short, your response makes no
sense.

I challenge you to find a post from Roy which is more than 3 sentences
which makes any sense at all. He really might be a spambot. An AI if you
will.

 

[DanS]

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a
little hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista
beta. You want honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW
for a kit car. That's honest.

So Jim, 'kitcars' have come a long way in since the 70's. They're not
just fiberglass bodies on a VW chassis anymore.

In fact, the top-of-the-line kit cars are just that, a complete car in
pieces you assemble, in kit form. Like this one (which I'd rather have
than a BMW):

http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/standard.html which comes
with a full tubular pre-welded frame.

General info:

http://www.kitcarmag.com/

 

[Guest]

I am new to microsoft forums, never needed them with 98 or xp. I have
noticed that the only things so called MVPs ever do is FLAME other people for
not being certified microsoft tech profesionals, or for spelling errors. Do
any of these MVP people actually try to help us with our problems? Yes, I
know I will get flamed for this post.

 

[Charlie Tame]

As you pointed out you are new to these forums, and therefore what you are
interpreting as someone being "Flamed" may be nothing more than a regular
MVP reacting to a persistent "Troll".

Yes the MVPs generally do try to help, and not every MVP makes an issue of
being awarded an MVP title so your references to "So called MVPs" and your
apparent disdain for their status (All are unpaid volunteers with no
obligatory connection with Microsoft at all) is neither correct nor likely
to help your case.

The problem with the type of conversation you are in at the moment is that
it rapidly becomes negative and benefits nobody. This is caused by the
participants having fairly rigid views about what is "Right" and equates to
the sort of argument you get when people refuse to accept that different
groups of people have different needs, which may be contradictory but are
nevertheless valid.

Charlie

 

[Dale M. White -LV32]

I don't follow Dustin's ever move, but he's fairly helpful, especially over
in the Vista.games group. There was a MVP poster named Rock, haven't seen
him in a while, but he was always helpful.

I don't see that many MVPs talking about tech certs or spelling, until
someone starts flaming about MACs or Linux, or endlessly bashing Vista,
especially, if it's clear they don't want help, but to just flame away on
Vista.. I'm sure they would prefer their to be a Vista.discussion group that
they didn't have to monitor and everyone could just flame away.

I can't complain, so far the MVPs have all answered my "how do I turn this
crap off" post. And while I think Kerry B is Coo coo for cocca puffs for
loving the UAC, I can respect his different opinion on it.

 

[BearItAll]

From Ron Schenone, MVP Blog

Quote ...
* It is unbelievable it took five years to achieve this and the
results
are disappointing to say the least.
* Where are the OEM hardware manufacturers? I can’t believe it is
taking
so long for them to come up with Vista compliant drivers. Is it they
suspected that Vista would be a dud?

That isn't quite fair to the vendors, MS didn't give them enough details
quickly enough for them to come up with the drivers. Even HP with their
huge resources couldn't manage it in time, so what chance would companies
with less developer resources have. MS had five years, but they didn't
give the hardware folk five years, they gave many less than a year.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

The venders have had the information for the years of the Vista Beta.
Beta code was available to manufacturers through various sources.
But they failed to act.
Often they wait until their customers complain which does not happen
in large numbers until RTM is publically released and even then some
drag their feet.

This is the same thing that happened when Windows XP was released.
There is little Microsoft can do when the manufacturers have little
desire to please their customers quickly.
Many of the manufacturers have chosen not to "manage it in time".

Also drivers can not be verified until the RTM code is available.
RTM code was available in November to manufacturers through several
sources and that gave them over 2 months to work on their drivers.
By now all manufacturers have had plenty of time.

How has the manufacturer of your products chosen to support the
products?

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

You need to do the following immediately:

1) Fill Bathtub
2) Bring PC into bathroom, plug in, turn on
3) Get in Tub
4) Grab PC
5) Bye bye Roy

__/ [ JimR ] on Wednesday 21 March 2007 16:53 \__

So what. The guy is qouting Chris Pirillo who has been more than a little
hostile since he got spanked for hosting a torrent of a Vista beta. You
want honest? Giving up Vista for Linux is like trading a BMW for a kit
car.
That's honest. You want more honest? Instead of wasting everyone's time
here, go help with the Linux groups. Maybe you can help make it look
better
than a high school computer project.

It's not just Pirillo. See what Ron said in the past:

Vista - Even The Experts Are Giving Up On It

,----[ Quote ]
| This may be a time for people to explore alternatives like Mac or even
| Linux. I just installed PCLinuxOS 2007 beta on a test system and right
| out of the box (actually, it's a free download), it worked perfectly.
| Go figure. And, again, it's FREE!
`----

http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/blade/2007/02/28/vista-even-the-experts-are-giving-up-on-it/

--
~~ Best wishes

Roy S. Schestowitz | Windows O/S: who ownZ you tod4y?
http://Schestowitz.com | RHAT Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
9:05pm up 10 days 5:08, 8 users, load average: 1.12, 0.46, 0.26
http://iuron.com - Open Source knowledge engine project