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"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Where's the rest of it? One of Malke's comments is that he isn't including
quoted text. So I have no way of knowing what the OP's question was, nor
what "Pete's" answer was. That's kind of the point here.

Well I've given you the title of the thread. I'm sure you are capable of
finding and reading the full thread yourself. No reference to "quoted text"
in that particuar thread, that I can see.

Jon
 
Nepatsfan said:
Malke,

I think this may be a case of mistaken identity. The person
you're referring to posted as phillip maurice nelson.
Nepatsfan

You are quite right. I got my trolls mixed up! I still stand by what I
said about posting properly and giving good advice, though. Thanks for
your insight as always.

Best regards,

Malke
 
Steve Shattuck said:
If you bothered to do a find on "Pete's" username you would have found
ample evidence that Malke was not only correct, but actually was a lot
more restrained than I would have been before the discussion and certainly
was in my response in the thread. I have my OE set up to mark all
responses (those with RE: in the subject) as read, and only read the
threads if I have an interest in the original post and its responses so
had not noticed Pete's responses. Going back using the FIND command, I
was amazed that someone hadn't called this person out before Malke did.

Well I'll let others do the extensive research into the relative merits of
pete's responses in each of his threads. In that particular thread,
however, he asked a simple question and was slated unnecessarily.

Jon
 
pete said:
what you mean is you didnt find one reply that you didnt know already!!
how
come a post i replied to today when someone was told they could change
there
region code more than 5 times, and it was tuff they had to buy a new
recorder!!, what they were told was rubbish plain and simple, but i dont
see
anyone having a dig at them, please supply details of what i said to do
that
was going to damage somoneones system as you keep suggesting

Unrelated to the content of the above paragraph: Being at work and trying
to post quickly is absolutely NOT the reason for your writing being the way
it is. I realize it's probably a sensitive issue, but I think you need to
face the facts at some point in the future.
 
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Jon said:
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Where's the rest of it? One of Malke's comments is that he isn't
including quoted text. So I have no way of knowing what the OP's
question was, nor what "Pete's" answer was. That's kind of the point
here.

Well I've given you the title of the thread. I'm sure you are capable
of finding and reading the full thread yourself.

Yep, if I were so inclined, I suppose I could. I'm not interested enough to
do a search in here....I have work to do, too :)
No reference to
"quoted text" in that particuar thread, that I can see.

There was a mention of it elsewhere, and it's still true that people should
quote text when they reply.
 
Now, why the hell did you have to go and put in that last paragraph!!!!
Since I have been using these groups I have come to rely on advice, which in
particular has come in the main from MVP's, to a great extent. I can
honestly say that to date, I have not yet found any advice to be 'useless'.
I have also had good and sound advice from non-MVPs.
I have read and saved much advice that has been given to others.
If you see wrong advice(in your opinion) being given from any contributor,
do you yourself post a counter suggestion? - or dare to say the advice is
wrong?
If you don't bother, then you are not helping people like myself.
Nor do I think it helps to come out with a blanket comment that '...we have
a few MVPs that are less than useful'
Name and shame I say if that's what you 'know' as opposed to believe or
think!
Rgds
Antioch
'You cant educate pork' - I'm not alone it would seem!
Sorry - I top-posted
 
: pete wrote:
:
: > what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng
To Help And i
: > Just GEt Abuse,
:
: <violin on>
: *sniff-sniff* poor baby.
: <violin off>
:
: That's because you ask for it as exampled in this lame reply of
yours.
:
: > Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT AlWays Like
: > THat!!
: >
:
: Nah, not me, I was born smarter than you'll ever be because _I_
know how
: to _learn_. Obviously _you_ can't, again as evidenced in this
reply from
: you. Go ahead, keep breaking all the usenet conventions you
can, you're
: just asking for exactly what you're whining about.
:
: Steve N.

Acutally, he "won't" learn, not "can't". I recognize the style
of writing and attitude progression - that's a hate-monger troll
and morphs constantly. S/h/e-it knows me, BTW, and I can almost
predict a couple of the nouns he'd use in his response to this if
I hadn't mentioned it.

IMO, when a response to a well respected group member goes off
course twice in a row, the poster should simply be ignored and
allowed to go elsewhere for its food. Personally I use a 3-time
rule, but ymmv, oviously, and rightly so.

Personally though, that said, I am impressed by the quick
rebuttals and substantions provided for Malke in this thread;
which is why I'm still reading it. Good going guys, and stay
focused - EVERYthing is temporary <g>.

Regards,

Pop
 
a thousand thank you's i was just about to sign off for good, but reading
your post has just put a big smile on my face, like you said im no expert but
i try to help as best i can and if i can find a post that relates to one im
looking at and it has an answer then i will copy that in my reply, and yes
99% of the time i will tell them that its from a previous post.

at least this way it saves all these so called experts from answering again,
and it least the poster has an answer and i thought it was all about helping
people solve a problem no matter how you get to the answer, its only the same
as people pasting in links to ms answers or kellys corner, thanks a million
again, pete ;-)
 
"First of all, people often than people for incredibly poor advice", WHAT IS
THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN!!!!! stevey!!!!
 
Pete,

Don't worry about it, there are a few here who think they are the
Allotollah of PCs and I have seen answers that have made me shrudge. When
people advise others to hook their PCs up to an Amplifier thru the headphone
jack for one example, they are quite possibly going to fry the guys INPUTS,
but some people feel if the plug fits the hole then it must work... TSK

Do your best, offer to lend a hand and tell them up front you aren't a
rocket sciectist. If you feel your answer is correct then post it as such.
Don't listen to all of these whahoos, there is some damn good advice on these
boards and some not so good advice, let the poster be the judge.

Good Luck and keep on trying.
 
pete said:
Thank you all for your kind words!!!!, two things i would like to add, i am
using a web interface as im doing this from work and i only have this to use
(our it dept is strict) and will get in serious trouble if found out, this is
another reason for me not using lovely writing, i am trying to do it as quick
as possible so i dont get caught, and i cant write that quick so it has to be
like this, i know that i will probably get another telling off for this but
at least someone is on my side, thanks jon ;-)

Good luck keeping your job, Pete.

Steve N.
 
Hi Pete

I'd like to add my thoughts also. Jon is right - you are being treated a bit
shoddily. I can't believe you are getting so much stick from writing in
lowercase - and I say that as a professional, published writer. This isn't a
creative writing forum for heaven's sake!

And I know how you feel: I've been posting questions for a couple of years
in this forum and I've always been extremely grateful for the help and
support I've received. I don't doubt others who say Malke is respected for
her knowledge but Malke is the ONLY person who has been unnecessarily rude to
me. That's not bad going in three years. Usually the responses are considered
and courteous. Don't be deterred. Keep posting, I say...
 
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Jackie D said:
Hi Pete

I'd like to add my thoughts also. Jon is right - you are being
treated a bit shoddily. I can't believe you are getting so much stick
from writing in lowercase - and I say that as a professional,
published writer. This isn't a creative writing forum for heaven's
sake!

And that's precisely why good writing counts.....aside from content.
 
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
In

And that's precisely why good writing counts.....aside from content.

If you have kids, you must drive them crazy. Good for them.
 
pete said:
dear people

i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for my
help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more harm than
good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it was a good
thing
to try and help people and i dont think that i have put anybodys pc at
risk,
as you will see below i have been slated for helping people, please let me
know your feelings on this..

as posted by Malke

"But you *aren't* helping anyone. You don't quote properly and you give
ridiculous answers that at best are useless and at worst could cause
some real damage to the OP. If you were really a "nice guy" you'd
change your ways or find another venue in which to "help" people."

--

There are many of us who mourn the bygone days of usenet's yesteryear.
However, I took myself out of self-appointed hall monitor mode in the latter
nineties when AOL and broadband providers began offering usenet access. It
was a new ballgame and the top-posting meme was the order of the day. In
fact, going by the numbers, I would say top-posting is the de-facto standard
while us die-hard bottom-posters are the non-conformists. Of course, then
we have the "in-line" posters which was historically a no-no, but it a
helluva lot easier to follow an answer.

I haven't read any of your past posts and I don't care. You have as much
right to respond to a message as anyone else. I think the majority of
visitors to this group understand the advice is given on an "as-is" basis.
I've seen some pretty bad advice and some responses that were flat-wrong
given by MVPs, but that is rare.

Stick to it and don't sweat the small stuff. It is, after all, only a
usenet forum.

carl
 
You are very welcome.
Offering to help someone should never be shunned by any man. The offer in
itself is worth mention. Many don't even want to take the time to do that.
I hated computers when I was told back in 76 I was going to sell them,
when I sold one and a person had a problem, it was ME, hour after hour on the
phone trying to figure out what they did, how they did it etc. Yeah! I am
sure over the years I gave some God awful advice and I am sure over the years
I made alot of people very happy. You learn by Trying, so keep trying and
everyone knows when they come to these type of boards to be careful. So hey,
I salute you for trying and offering your time and assistance. Don't ever
stick your nose in the air and always be willing to help.
Head up, chest out and be proud that you are one of the very few that
would even offer to help. Failures are what people learn from and there are
only TWO kinds of people on this Planet
1. THOSE WHO HAVE
2. THOSE WHO WILL
 
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help
And i Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT
AlWays Like THat!!
It does make a difference who you are. There is a person here named Kelly
whose every word is sterling. She is a most helpful and knowledgeable
person. She uses the name Kelly and has a sig and everyone knows it is her.
You can trust the advice Kelly gives you. Then another, not quite so
sterling, person named Kelly started posting also and refused to alter the
name a bit just so it would be easier to tell which Kelly was which. It got
confusing and it was difficult to know if you were getting sterling advice
or tarnished advice unless you went through the note to check if Kelly's sig
was there.

If you would lurk here awhile, you can begin to see a pattern in how good or
bad a poster's advice is. If I am searching the posts for a quick fix for a
problem, I need to be able to weed out the bad from the good, and knowing
who is who is a great way to do that.

As far as how you write, why would anyone want to take the advice of someone
who can't be bothered to spell correctly and write intelligibly? Really
smart people can appear really stupid if they can't write well. It is hard
enough for some people to follow instructions and advice without also making
it difficult to read. If you don't care that nobody reads your posts because
of how you write, why bother posting?
 
pete said:
dear people

i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for my
help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more harm than
good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it was a good
thing
to try and help people and i dont think that i have put anybodys pc at
risk,
as you will see below i have been slated for helping people, please let me
know your feelings on this..

as posted by Malke

"But you *aren't* helping anyone. You don't quote properly and you give
ridiculous answers that at best are useless and at worst could cause
some real damage to the OP. If you were really a "nice guy" you'd
change your ways or find another venue in which to "help" people."


Since you use such a nondescript moniker (just "Pete"), there is no way to
do a good search within the newsgroup to find just your posts. I don't know
if Malke based his response on just one or two of your posts or has been
monitoring you for awhile. If you quote improperly, readers may not be able
to decipher your posts so they become fluff. Remember that you are not
talking to your long-time buddy sitting next to you, so word your posts the
same way that you would write to your teacher or employer. It is already
evident by your post here that you have problems with capitalization and
using periods to delineate your sentences (and commas are NOT the same as
periods!). If you are going to make your writing difficult to read by
rambling without structure, expect others to simply ignore them.

Any "me, too" posts are superfluous since they add nothing to the
discussion. Most of what I saw for your posts (based on your lack of
grammar, capitalization, and your IP address) were one-shot blurbs; i.e.,
you don't follow up in thread. This is more ego stroking than of providing
help. As per your post at http://snipurl.com/mcto, it looks like you're
just trying to accumulate "points" somewhere rather than to actually help.
Note due to the difficulty in identifying just your posts in a Google Groups
search (since I cannot search by your IP address of 195.217.99.160 in the
headers, and "Pete" is too generic), I cannot get an accurate picture of
your posts. I just look at the first half dozen.

If you need to watch the thread, don't bother adding a fluff post just so
you can search on your moniker later to find the thread. Mark the thread
with the Watch flag and sort by the watch flag so they are at the top of the
header list pane. Then you can see your watched threads very easily. Of
course, that means you will need to use OE or some other *real* newsreader
rather than the webnews-for-dummies interface provided by Microsoft's CDO
(their interface doesn't have anywhere near the rich feature set available
in an NNTP client). You mention in another post of having to use the
webnews-for-dummies interface to circumvent policies at work. If you think
you are hiding by using HTTP instead of NNTP, you are sorely mistaken. They
DO KNOW where you connect and can monitor your traffic. It is, after all,
*their* property and not yours so it is entirely within their right on how
to regulate the use of their resources and to eliminate their employees from
wasting their paid-time on unrelated tasks. They may not say anything
(until your actions become severe) until it is time for your review or to
provide further explanation for your termination. I know of technically
expertised users that thought they weren't being monitored but ended up
getting fired because of their violations of company policy. If you truly
have a need to access newsgroups during the time for which you are getting
paid by your employer then you have a reasonable argument to gain that
access. I'm in software QA and need the help of the community regarding the
tools and technologies involved, so I get newsgroups access at work that
others are denied, and I have no qualms about restrictions regarding to
which newsgroups that I visit since any that are blocked that I need can be
allowed on request. Our company also uses Websense to censor to where their
employees can navigate (ours is a technology company so restricting the web
is not doable) and occasionally I have to contact our IT department to get a
site recategorized (but can't if it is a subdomain to which I need access
because Websense blocks by domains, not subdomains or hosts). Just because
you can get around your company policies doesn't make it a smart thing to
do. It's THEIR property (along with them paying you during that time).

Be aware that while you feel your signature is okay, it is somewhat
flammatory. You are posting in a Microsoft newsgroup yet your proselytize
conversion to Linux. Also, your other replies implicate you as a troll
wanting to inflame. Even if you want to counter, it helps maintain your
credibility if you do it in manner that shows some expertise, not as some
kid screaming back "oh yeah, oh yeah".

Although unlikely, below are some helpful articles that will help you when
posting to the Usenet. You don't need to follow everything noted in these
articles (most posters don't) but it should provide a framework to
understand the community to which you are communicating. You will find the
atmosphere far more informal in many alt.* newsgroups (but even many there
deal with technical issues); otherwise, even when insulting someone, do it
professionally (and that will be affected by your writing skills). While
these are guidelines, you are still allowed your own "style" but don't make
it just to accumulate points or to make it difficult for others to actually
read your posts.

--
How to post:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
http://www.newsreaders.com/guide/netiquette.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1/
 
Steve Shattuck wrote:
2. The majority of your responses are either simplistic answers that are
really of
little or no benefit, point to a solution that has no relationship to
the original
poster, add NOTHING to the discussion or worse give advice that as Malke
pointed out could do more harm than good. The fact of the matter is
that in
the 50+ responses you've given, I did not find one that was useful.

Wanting to help, and having the in depth knowledge to help are two entirely
different things. If you read here you will even find that we have a few
MVP's that are less than useful.

Sounds exactly like Carey Frisch!
 
pete said:
what you mean is you didnt find one reply that you didnt know already!! how
come a post i replied to today when someone was told they could change there
region code more than 5 times, and it was tuff they had to buy a new
recorder!!, what they were told was rubbish plain and simple, but i dont see
anyone having a dig at them, please supply details of what i said to do that
was going to damage somoneones system as you keep suggesting

Pete,

Has it yet occurred to you that we could use your IP address which is in
your headers to complain to both your place of employment and their ISP
about your posts here?
 
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