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dear people

i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for my
help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more harm than
good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it was a good thing
to try and help people and i dont think that i have put anybodys pc at risk,
as you will see below i have been slated for helping people, please let me
know your feelings on this..

as posted by Malke

"But you *aren't* helping anyone. You don't quote properly and you give
ridiculous answers that at best are useless and at worst could cause
some real damage to the OP. If you were really a "nice guy" you'd
change your ways or find another venue in which to "help" people."
 
pete said:
dear people

i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for
my help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more
harm than good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it
was a good thing to try and help people and i dont think that i have
put anybodys pc at risk, as you will see below i have been slated for
helping people, please let me know your feelings on this..

as posted by Malke

"But you *aren't* helping anyone. You don't quote properly and you
give ridiculous answers that at best are useless and at worst could
cause
some real damage to the OP. If you were really a "nice guy" you'd
change your ways or find another venue in which to "help" people."
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Malke is one of the best informed on this group, and that is not just for
Windows but in all areas. You were lucky it wasn't one or two other MVPs who
responded (no names no pack-drill!)
 
pete said:
dear people

i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for my
help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more harm than
good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it was a good thing
to try and help people and i dont think that i have put anybodys pc at risk,
as you will see below i have been slated for helping people, please let me
know your feelings on this..
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It's hard to tell who you are (apart from the hard-to-read all lowercase
typing) as you use a generic Web Interface name that can be used by anyone.
 
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help And i
Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT AlWays Like
THat!!
 
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help
And i Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT
AlWays Like THat!!
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You just lost what little credibility you had... let the abuse begin!!!
 
In
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help
And i Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT
AlWays Like THat!!
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What difference does it make how you write?

Answer: A *lot*. In here, and everywhere. Write to communicate clearly.
Speak to communicate clearly. Or, do what you wish, type as you wish, but
don't expect to get a lot of kudos for it, and expect flames, or to be
ignored.

I haven't been following your posts, and don't know anything about what
you've written, but:

a) I trust Malke; she's an invalulable resource in these groups
b) You haven't provided any examples of what you've written that you feel
you've been unfairly singled out for abuse of any sort, nor have you quoted
anyone saying "Stay Away".
c) Develop a thicker skin if you're going to post anywhere in usenet. Malke
was gracious. Many others are not.
 
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help And i
Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT AlWays Like
THat!!
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People who come here for help may be using computers which run their
business, and if the advice causes problem, it may affect their livelihood.
I haven't followed the so-called criticism you've been subjected to, but
perhaps the common thread is that you can't post answers you're not sure of,
just to hear yourself talk. Suggestions have to either be totally accurate,
or it must be made clear that you're not exactly sure of the solution you're
suggesting.

In addition to being technically accurate, it's important that advice be
clearly written. This is not a creative writing class, and you are not e.e.
cummings.
 
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help
And i Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT
AlWays Like THat!!
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Look, since you quoted me - your first time ever quoting properly, I
might add and you've dropped that good practice in *this* post - I'll
respond.

A. Regarding your posting "style":

This is Usenet and certain conventions have grown up over the years, not
just because of politeness (although that is good) but because Usenet
posts are archived and when you post incorrectly - like not quoting -
you break the thread and make it difficult for others to follow. There
are real, valid reasons for Usenet conventions.

Think of your behavior on Usenet as if you were visiting a foreign
country. You can take the time to learn about that country's customs
and try to respect them, or you can be a total a**h*le and ignore them.
If you choose the latter way, don't expect the natives to be nice to
you.

So, again - here are links to help you learn about Usenet.

About Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=basics.html - Basics
of Usenet
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a brief
explanation of newsgroups

How to Post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
working properly
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email address
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting vs.
crossposting

B. The content of your posts:

You have not given good technical advice. If you don't know the answer,
don't post. Lurk for a while and learn. Or research the problem
thoroughly. Then post. One of the advantages to newsgroups is peer
review. If I get something wrong or incomplete, I can count on someone
correcting me. This is a Good Thing for me - because I learn something
- and for the OP because it helps insure they get accurate advice. If
you post drivel, you can expect to be called on it. For instance,
telling OP's to use SFC /scannow for a myriad of completely unrelated
problems is drivel. If you were a nicer person and posted correctly, I
would have been nicer to you instead of calling it "drivel". See the
last bit of Part A for clarification if you need it.

It is your choice how you behave, but your behavior in this venue has
consequences.

Malke
 
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help
And i Just GEt Abuse, Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT
AlWays Like THat!!
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I don't care who are you, but if you can't write, or aren't wiling to make
the effort to write, in a way that people can readily understand, your
efforts at helping are useless.

Post like that a couple more times, and I'll just killfile you.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


 
pete said:
dear people

i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for my
help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more harm than
good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it was a good
thing
to try and help people and i dont think that i have put anybodys pc at
risk,
as you will see below i have been slated for helping people, please let me
know your feelings on this..

as posted by Malke

"But you *aren't* helping anyone. You don't quote properly and you give
ridiculous answers that at best are useless and at worst could cause
some real damage to the OP. If you were really a "nice guy" you'd
change your ways or find another venue in which to "help" people."
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Pete

Actually, it looks like you did get a rough deal in that particular thread.

prob with dvd burn

Having said that, you should have been aware that using a web interface is a
pet topic for many on here, and not taken it personally. As Lanwench said, a
thick skin is a prerequisite for this place.

As others have said, Malke is one of the best posters on here, usually
combining expertise with a very human approach. In that particular instance,
however, I think she did overreact. No-one is perfect.

Jon
 
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Jon said:
Pete

Actually, it looks like you did get a rough deal in that particular
thread.
prob with dvd burn
news:%[email protected]
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Where's the rest of it? One of Malke's comments is that he isn't including
quoted text. So I have no way of knowing what the OP's question was, nor
what "Pete's" answer was. That's kind of the point here.
 
i have been posting for a while now and people have thanked me for my
help, but i have now been told to stay away and that i do more harm than
good, i feel this is unjust to say the least, i thought it was a good
thing
to try and help people and i dont think that i have put anybodys pc at
risk,
as you will see below i have been slated for helping people, please let me
know your feelings on this..
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First of all, people often than people for incredibly poor advice, since
they didn't know the answer to their problem in the first place, how are
they going to know if your answer is good or bad. The thanks is just being
polite.
as posted by Malke
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"But you *aren't* helping anyone. You don't quote properly and you give
ridiculous answers that at best are useless and at worst could cause
some real damage to the OP. If you were really a "nice guy" you'd
change your ways or find another venue in which to "help" people."
Click to expand...

I went back and looked at your replies to messages for the past several
months. I must say that I agree with Malke, who if you read responses to
you post has been identified as one of the better "helpers" here. Here is
the result of my review of over 50 of your posts:

1. You put quotes at the end of your answers. Although there is no
consensus
on bottom vs. top quoting, certainly IMO in a newsgroup top quoting is
really easier for people other than the original poster to understand
your
answers.

2. The majority of your responses are either simplistic answers that are
really of
little or no benefit, point to a solution that has no relationship to
the original
poster, add NOTHING to the discussion or worse give advice that as Malke
pointed out could do more harm than good. The fact of the matter is
that in
the 50+ responses you've given, I did not find one that was useful.

Wanting to help, and having the in depth knowledge to help are two entirely
different things. If you read here you will even find that we have a few
MVP's that are less than useful.
 
Pete,

I would venture to guess that this very attitude is what is causing the
negative responses from people on this board. Someone just told you that it
is difficult to read your posts because they do not follow proper writing
style, and instead of thanking that person for the constructive criticism,
you smart mouth him with a mix of CAPs and lower-case.

If you act like a jerk, expect to be treated like one.

Gregg Hill
 
Thank you all for your kind words!!!!, two things i would like to add, i am
using a web interface as im doing this from work and i only have this to use
(our it dept is strict) and will get in serious trouble if found out, this is
another reason for me not using lovely writing, i am trying to do it as quick
as possible so i dont get caught, and i cant write that quick so it has to be
like this, i know that i will probably get another telling off for this but
at least someone is on my side, thanks jon ;-)
 
(e-mail address removed),
Malke said:
Look, since you quoted me - your first time ever quoting
properly, I might add and you've dropped that good practice
in *this* post - I'll respond.

A. Regarding your posting "style":

This is Usenet and certain conventions have grown up over
the years, not just because of politeness (although that is
good) but because Usenet posts are archived and when you
post incorrectly - like not quoting - you break the thread
and make it difficult for others to follow. There are real,
valid reasons for Usenet conventions.

Think of your behavior on Usenet as if you were visiting a
foreign country. You can take the time to learn about that
country's customs and try to respect them, or you can be a
total a**h*le and ignore them. If you choose the latter way,
don't expect the natives to be nice to you.

So, again - here are links to help you learn about Usenet.

About Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=basics.html
- Basics of Usenet
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a
brief explanation of newsgroups

How to Post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your
newsreader is working properly
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email
address http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm -
multiposting vs. crossposting

B. The content of your posts:

You have not given good technical advice. If you don't know
the answer, don't post. Lurk for a while and learn. Or
research the problem thoroughly. Then post. One of the
advantages to newsgroups is peer review. If I get something
wrong or incomplete, I can count on someone correcting me.
This is a Good Thing for me - because I learn something -
and for the OP because it helps insure they get accurate
advice. If you post drivel, you can expect to be called on
it. For instance, telling OP's to use SFC /scannow for a
myriad of completely unrelated problems is drivel. If you
were a nicer person and posted correctly, I would have been
nicer to you instead of calling it "drivel". See the last
bit of Part A for clarification if you need it.

It is your choice how you behave, but your behavior in this
venue has consequences.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Malke,

I think this may be a case of mistaken identity. The person
you're referring to posted as phillip maurice nelson.

This may not wrap, but here's what a search on Google groups
turns up. I think you'll find some of his post familiar.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=a...81&as_maxd=8&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&

If that doens't work
http://tinyurl.com/ddpkx

Nepatsfan
 
pete said:
what diiff dOes It MakE HoW i WrITE Or WHO i Am, I AM tryIng To Help And i
Just GEt Abuse,
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<violin on>
*sniff-sniff* poor baby.
<violin off>

That's because you ask for it as exampled in this lame reply of yours.
Yes YOU Guys May kNOw A Lot MOre BUt iT WasnT AlWays Like
THat!!
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Nah, not me, I was born smarter than you'll ever be because _I_ know how
to _learn_. Obviously _you_ can't, again as evidenced in this reply from
you. Go ahead, keep breaking all the usenet conventions you can, you're
just asking for exactly what you're whining about.

Steve N.
 
As others have said, Malke is one of the best posters on here, usually
combining expertise with a very human approach. In that particular
instance, however, I think she did overreact. No-one is perfect.
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If you bothered to do a find on "Pete's" username you would have found ample
evidence that Malke was not only correct, but actually was a lot more
restrained than I would have been before the discussion and certainly was in
my response in the thread. I have my OE set up to mark all responses (those
with RE: in the subject) as read, and only read the threads if I have an
interest in the original post and its responses so had not noticed Pete's
responses. Going back using the FIND command, I was amazed that someone
hadn't called this person out before Malke did.
 
Notice that "pete" said "i am answering all these from work."

Hmm. If I were his employer, I would not think he is such a "nice guy," I
would think he is a thief for robbing me of the time I paid him to spend
working for ME!

Gregg Hill
 
what you mean is you didnt find one reply that you didnt know already!! how
come a post i replied to today when someone was told they could change there
region code more than 5 times, and it was tuff they had to buy a new
recorder!!, what they were told was rubbish plain and simple, but i dont see
anyone having a dig at them, please supply details of what i said to do that
was going to damage somoneones system as you keep suggesting
 
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