OEM XP Reinstall

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I was given a 1.8ghz P4 by a friend who upgraded. It runs OK , but it's FAT
32 and looks like it's been upgraded from 98 ?
It has an OEM sticker on the case , but no disks. I found a Windows XP
folder on the HD. I slipstreamed SP 2 onto it and made it bootable ,
but when I ran it , it rejected the serial number. I confirmed what was on
the case , and I also ran Belarc Advisor which got the install key from the
registry.
It looks like my only choice might be to reinstall to the same partition ?
Is that a limit of the particular version of XP ?

Thanks
Tom
 
If the machine originally had some other OS (98?) then the sticker number
belongs that 98 installation and is worthless for the XP installation (the
Product Key doesn't survive an Upgrade.) You need the number for the disk
used to upgrade it to XP.

If you didn't get the disk, you should have. If that disk has been used to
upgrade another machine, you'll almost certainly have problems with
Activation and authentication.
 
PS -- There is no OEM Windows XP Upgrade disk. Perhaps the 98 installation
was OEM, but the XP Upgrade one isn't. Also, if you do get the number for
the XP disk, you'll still need the original (98?) OEM disk to prove Upgrade
eligibility.
 
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the reply. The sticker on the case says " Windows XP Home Edition
OEM Software" and looks genuine.
I'll probably just leave 'well enough' alone , but I am curious as to why it
would be rejected ?
You have to select XP or Win 98 at boot , so it didn't overwrite it as far
as I can see....
 
So, it isn't/wasn't an Upgrade, it was a dual-boot. And it probably had 98 installed before the XP was installed. My guess is that whoever had it before did a lot of stuff to it, wiped the disk and installed 98, then installed XP from a disk other than that which came with the machine, and left behind the disk that corresponds to the sticker's PK number. But there are various ways that this could have happened. When you look at System Properties, what version does it say you have?

What bothers me is that I should think the disk you made *should* accept the current PK number, as it appears in the Registry, but now we're getting beyond my knowledge. There's a few oddities there that I've never fully pinned down (or if I have, I've forgotten .)

Assuming the actual 98 installation no longer exists, you can edit boot.ini to get rid of the line that prompts you at startup. Go to System Properties, Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, then the Edit button. Copy what's there and paste it into a reply. We'll see what needs to be done.
 
Hi Gary,
I appreciate your effort, believe me.
I rebooted and selected the menu for 98 , but it wouldn't start ( can't find
win.com , which I KNOW is an important file ! ) XP loads by default after
20 seconds , so it's no big deal.
I'm FAR from an expert , but I know when to leave well enough alone ,
especially when it seems I can't reinstall XP.

System Properties shows Win XP HOME OEM and the OEM type key. It all
works...validation and Genuine Advantage , so it's a legal key ?

All I know about the history of the computer is that it was supplied to my
friend by a company she's affiliated with. They just replaced it with a
Dell. I'm going to try making a bootable CD using her original version of XP
( without slipstreaming SP2....I'm very good at that now !! <G>) and give it
another shot , just for 'fun'. It works fine...I just wanted to do a clean
install.

Once again , many thanks for you time
Tom


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
So, it isn't/wasn't an Upgrade, it was a dual-boot. And it probably had 98
installed before the XP was installed. My guess is that whoever had it
before did a lot of stuff to it, wiped the disk and installed 98, then
installed XP from a disk other than that which came with the machine, and
left behind the disk that corresponds to the sticker's PK number. But there
are various ways that this could have happened. When you look at System
Properties, what version does it say you have?

What bothers me is that I should think the disk you made *should* accept the
current PK number, as it appears in the Registry, but now we're getting
beyond my knowledge. There's a few oddities there that I've never fully
pinned down (or if I have, I've forgotten .)

Assuming the actual 98 installation no longer exists, you can edit boot.ini
to get rid of the line that prompts you at startup. Go to System Properties,
Advanced tab, click Settings under Startup and Recovery, then the Edit
button. Copy what's there and paste it into a reply. We'll see what needs to
be done.
 
Well, if it came from a corporation, then it probably has a volume license,
and regardless of what WGA says, it's not "legal" for you to own and use it.
Those licenses aren't transferable in that way, and that's probably why the
PK doesn't work with your disk -- it belongs to the volume license, not to
the CD you have, or even to the one you made from the files on the HD. But
I'm not an expert in the field, so I can't give you the gory details.

All in all, I'd say you really need to get your own copy. That's what you
*should* do, anyway. It's up to you.
 
Well, if it came from a corporation, then it probably has a volume license,
and regardless of what WGA says, it's not "legal" for you to own and use it.
Those licenses aren't transferable in that way, and that's probably why the
PK doesn't work with your disk -- it belongs to the volume license, not to
the CD you have, or even to the one you made from the files on the HD. But
I'm not an expert in the field, so I can't give you the gory details.

All in all, I'd say you really need to get your own copy. That's what you
*should* do, anyway. It's up to you.


Garry,
If it is Windows xp home oem edition, they don't usually have volume
license.

However,
You brought up some interesting questions.

What if the business gives you the computer with xp volume license on
that?
Are they technically suppose to remove xp?
What happens if they don't?
Is the new owner suppose to remove it?

See Windows 98se OEM,. Window ME oem was transferable with a
computer.


The reason I asked all this.
This guy was throwing out a lot of stuff. He gave me some items.
He lost his original paper work for the xp pro. He is not sure what
type it his himself.

My question is.
How do you tell what type of product you have (before installing)?

My problem is with the stupid windows genuine advantage. I do not
want to clash with a person that may have the same key.

I have not installed it. I am not reporting him, he was just
throwing away stuff. (Remember in most states, once you throw
something on the curb for the trash, it becomes public property and
anyone could take it).


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Tom,

I think you do have a legal oem version of windows xp home. Since,
they gave you a computer.

My tip. This is legal. Is look for a program that can read the xp
key. Then use that key to reinstall Windows xp oem. Not the key on
the back.

However, if you also got a booklet with the key that is the same as
back of your computer. Than you could you that key. This way you
may be required to activate your computer. If you have to call. Tell
them they gave you their computer. They will reset under your name.



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HI Gary
I THOUGHT it might be something along those lines....it's complicated !!
Just one other question you might be able to help me with. I successfully
made a bootable CD with the copy of XP from the Hard drive ( original , not
Slipstreamed SP2)
I just want to try the code again to see if it would be accepted. It's a
while since I've reinstalled XP so I can't quite remember the sequence.
It identified the existing installation and asked if I wanted to repair or
install Fresh. I didn't continue. Can I proceed to the enter code screen
WITHOUT screwing anything up if it's not accepted ?
I know you have to jump through several hoops before the installation
actually begins...

I HAVE imaged the drive with Acronis , just in case , but I would like to
try...
Thanks
Tom
 
Greg Rozelle said:
Garry,
If it is Windows xp home oem edition, they don't usually have volume
license.

You've got a point there. Not much of a corporation, <g>. But in that case,
the business should have passed on the installation CD with the machine. As
it is, it would appear that the i386 folder isn't complete, or doesn't match
the installed copy. Maybe someone put it there from some other CD just for
convenience.
However,
You brought up some interesting questions.

What if the business gives you the computer with xp volume license on
that?
Are they technically suppose to remove xp?
What happens if they don't?
Is the new owner suppose to remove it?

AFAIK, the business isn't allowed to transfer ownership of a volume license,
unless it's the entire license (all of teh installations done under that
license.) If the user wants legal title, he needs to either reinstall with a
retail copy or, possibly, go through channels at MS to obtain just the
license. Considering that it will probaly cost as much as the retail copy,
in fact more, I'd want the latter. In any case, it's no skin off the
business's nose, nobody is likely to go after them for a few machines, it's
just a problem for the new owner, who doesn't have a legit license.
See Windows 98se OEM,. Window ME oem was transferable with a
computer.

Yes, and so is XP OEM. But not volume licenses. And when such a transfer is
made, the rules stipulate that the installation media be part of the
transfer.
The reason I asked all this.
This guy was throwing out a lot of stuff. He gave me some items.
He lost his original paper work for the xp pro. He is not sure what
type it his himself.

You're not being clear. What, exactly, did he give you? The machine with XP
already installed? A disk to go with it? Just the disk? Paperwork isn't
important, you just need a legit copy of Windows with a legit Product Key
and know that it isn't under a volume license (Product Key does not equal
license.) If he can't give you all that, then your best bet is to buy a new
copy of XP.
My question is.
How do you tell what type of product you have (before installing)?

You mena if it's under a volume license? I don't know.
My problem is with the stupid windows genuine advantage. I do not
want to clash with a person that may have the same key.

Now you're losing me. If you have a legit copy with a legit PK, then you
shouldn't have any problem and neither should anyone else. Are you talking
about some PK found on the internet that works with your OEM copy of
Windows? AFAIK, you just takes your chances, same as everyone else who uses
those PKs. Not having any direct experience, I don't know how WGA handles
those. I'm sure there are others here who will gladly fill you in.
I have not installed it. I am not reporting him, he was just
throwing away stuff. (Remember in most states, once you throw
something on the curb for the trash, it becomes public property and
anyone could take it).

Installed what? Are you saying that all you found was an installation CD?
That does not qualify as a legitimate copy of Windows, and that is not a
legitimate transfer of title. For all you know, the guy still has that
installed on his machine and the tossing of the CD was by mistake. Even if
you found the PK, too, doesn't mean that he uninstalled the thing, and in
any case, an OEM license is generally only licensed to the first machine
it's installed on.

Sorry, but to be honest I'm only mostly sure of what I'm saying here. Others
here have a far more encyclopedic knowledge of the issue.
 
No, you can't test the key without destroying the current installation. It
isn't asked for until well into the procedure. Too late to turn back. I'm
not even sure I'd try a Repair installation. I could test a bit and get back
to you. I just happen to have installed a testbed a few hours ago, and now
that I figured out the problem I installed it to test, it's just going to
waste.

But what is your scenario? What kind of installation do you think to
perform? A second installation to a new folder? A Repair installation? You
have to choose that long before you get to the PK.

How big is the HD and how much free space? Maybe you'd like to shrink the
existing partition and create a new one to test with? That's not hard to do
if the HD has the space. Or you can put in another HD if you have one lying
around.
 
Hi Gary,
Thanks for all your attention. As the computer came from a friend and
neighbour , I already deleted all her documents , in her presence , assuring
her I wasn't able to retrieve them , and as it's currently FAT32 etc etc
etc , I just wanted to start from fresh. I'm about to reinstall my own XP on
my main machine , and I wanted to experiment on the other one. That's all.
All things considered, it doesn't run 'badly' and drive space isn't an issue
, I just assumed that because it has a Genuine MS sticker on it , I'd be
able to reinstall. I guess you learn something new every day
Regards
Tom
 
Well, then, I think you should learn some things on that machine, like how
to resize partitions, install Windows to a second partition, etc. Just ask
if you want details. Otherwise, it' been a pleasure. See you later.
 
Greg Rozelle said:
Tom,

I think you do have a legal oem version of windows xp home. Since,
they gave you a computer.

From all the evidence, no, the machine he has does not have a legit license.
But it's impossible to know. Yes, it activated, obviously. That doesn't mean
it's legit.
My tip. This is legal. Is look for a program that can read the xp
key. Then use that key to reinstall Windows xp oem. Not the key on
the back.

He tried the PK from the Registry (which is where the kind of utility you
speak of gets it.) Didn't work with the CD he made from the i386 folder,
which is the only copy he has.
However, if you also got a booklet with the key that is the same as
back of your computer. Than you could you that key. This way you
may be required to activate your computer. If you have to call. Tell
them they gave you their computer. They will reset under your name.

He got no book, no PK number. Not even the PK from the sticker on the
outside of the machine works, and it isn't the same as that in the Registry.
Note that he got no CD, either, but made one from the i386 folder on the
machine. All in all, he's got a mess that isn't going to be easily remedied
short of buying a new copy or reinstalling from scratch, hoping that he can
find a PK that works with the CD he made. Won't be in the least bit legit,
but there you have it.
 
Comments appreciated
I was given a 1.8ghz P4 by a friend who upgraded. It runs OK , but it's FAT
32 and looks like it's been upgraded from 98 ?
It has an OEM sticker on the case , but no disks. I found a Windows XP
folder on the HD. I slipstreamed SP 2 onto it and made it bootable ,
but when I ran it , it rejected the serial number. I confirmed what was on
the case , and I also ran Belarc Advisor which got the install key from the
registry.
It looks like my only choice might be to reinstall to the same partition ?
Is that a limit of the particular version of XP ?

Thanks
Tom

I really think you have a legit computer but you didn't get all the
stuff.

Since the back of the Case has the windows xp oem sticker.
You need to get the xp oem cd from your friend to install it correctly
or the manufature restore cd from him. A copy is ok, if he does not
have the orginal. Otherwise he needs to give you both.

Download xp sp2 for later install.

Disconnect any connection from the internet.

Install windows xp or use the restore windows xp CD.
Some restore cds may require you to enter a key
Use the key on the back of the computer for either method.

Now install windows xp sp2.
Restore connection to the internet
Then do updates.

Slipstreaming does not always work with upgrade version of xp.
That is why you can not install this. I am surprise Gary did not
know this.


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Hey Guys, I'm new to this group and didn't want to start WW3 ?? <G>
Just to recap so there's no misunderstanding.
My friend has her own company and is affiliated with a larger company in
some way or other ( not sure of the details )
The computer was supplied and ' maintained ' by the company who also
installed Office etc etc etc. She gave it to me because I help her with
general computing tasks.
She wasn't given ANY disks with it and I imagine if something happened that
required reinstalling , the company would have taken care of it. When I saw
the OEM sticker, I ASSUMED it was legit and just wanted to do a fresh
install. I don't know why the key is rejected ( Belarc Advisor reports the
same PK from the registry...) , but if it aint gonna work , I'm not gonna
screw with it !!

Thanks for all your time

Tom
 
Just to finish.. I heartily applaud your desire to do a fresh install. While
this was a business machine and probably wasn't used for nefarious purposes
(trolling for kiddie porn, etc.) it is standard advice that you reformat and
reinstall a used system that you've obtained.
 
Hey Guys, I'm new to this group and didn't want to start WW3 ?? <G>
Just to recap so there's no misunderstanding.
My friend has her own company and is affiliated with a larger company in
some way or other ( not sure of the details )
The computer was supplied and ' maintained ' by the company who also
installed Office etc etc etc. She gave it to me because I help her with
general computing tasks.
She wasn't given ANY disks with it and I imagine if something happened that
required reinstalling , the company would have taken care of it. When I saw
the OEM sticker, I ASSUMED it was legit and just wanted to do a fresh
install. I don't know why the key is rejected ( Belarc Advisor reports the
same PK from the registry...) , but if it aint gonna work , I'm not gonna
screw with it !!


Actually, depending on how xp oem was originally installed. It
could be legit. That is the key to the debate, Me and Gary are
having.

Technically, I think you have to remove office if she still has it on
or another computers.



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