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alexander
could somebody please explain the difference: xp
professional full version VS. xp professional full OEM
version.
professional full version VS. xp professional full OEM
version.
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Cheryl Fischer
OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) software is permanently tied to the
computer with which it was shipped and on which it was installed. It will
not work on another computer. Also, OEM software is supported by the
Original Equipment Mfr, not the manufacturer of the software.
computer with which it was shipped and on which it was installed. It will
not work on another computer. Also, OEM software is supported by the
Original Equipment Mfr, not the manufacturer of the software.
B
Bruce Chambers
Greetings --
FYI, there are some very important reasons that an OEM license
costs so much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very
limited:
1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally
a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft
has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are
_permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An
OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. The only legitimate way to transfer
the ownership of an OEM license is to transfer ownership of the entire
PC. This is the best reason to avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or
is otherwise disposed of (even stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM
license on a new PC.
2) Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. If you have
any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is to
contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email
support for problems with the OS.
3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard
drive. It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a.
an in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.
4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature.
Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum
of device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer
feels necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was
designed. (To be honest, such CDs should not be available on the open
market; but, if you're shopping someplace like eBay, swap meets, or
computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's
too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by
Microsoft and sold to small systems builders, don't have this
particular problem, though, and are pretty much the same as their
retail counterparts, apart from the licensing, support, and upgrading
restrictions.
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH
FYI, there are some very important reasons that an OEM license
costs so much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very
limited:
1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally
a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although Microsoft
has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are
_permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed. An
OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. The only legitimate way to transfer
the ownership of an OEM license is to transfer ownership of the entire
PC. This is the best reason to avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or
is otherwise disposed of (even stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM
license on a new PC.
2) Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. If you have
any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is to
contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email
support for problems with the OS.
3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard
drive. It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a.
an in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.
4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature.
Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum
of device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer
feels necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was
designed. (To be honest, such CDs should not be available on the open
market; but, if you're shopping someplace like eBay, swap meets, or
computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's
too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by
Microsoft and sold to small systems builders, don't have this
particular problem, though, and are pretty much the same as their
retail counterparts, apart from the licensing, support, and upgrading
restrictions.
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH
T
Tech
A minor correction. Installation of an OEM version on another computer
other than that to which it was originally installed WILL WORK, however it
is NOT legal.
other than that to which it was originally installed WILL WORK, however it
is NOT legal.
K
Ken Blake
In
The OEM version has the following disadvantages:
1. Its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's
installed on. It can never legally be moved to another computer,
sold, or given away.
2. It can only do a clean installation, not an upgrade.
3. Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. You have to
get any needed support from your OEM, and that may range anywhere
between good and non-existent.
alexander said:could somebody please explain the difference: xp
professional full version VS. xp professional full OEM
version.
The OEM version has the following disadvantages:
1. Its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's
installed on. It can never legally be moved to another computer,
sold, or given away.
2. It can only do a clean installation, not an upgrade.
3. Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. You have to
get any needed support from your OEM, and that may range anywhere
between good and non-existent.
C
Crusty \(-: Old B@stard :-\)
Depends upon the O.E.M. version.
There are as many O.E.M. versions as there are PC manufacturers. Some of
them have ONLY the necessary drivers, and modified apps, for "their"
computers. Try to install on another manufacturer PC and you WILL get an
incomplete install, along with nothing but headaches.
There are as many O.E.M. versions as there are PC manufacturers. Some of
them have ONLY the necessary drivers, and modified apps, for "their"
computers. Try to install on another manufacturer PC and you WILL get an
incomplete install, along with nothing but headaches.
W
Willit
A minor correction. Only according to the MS EULA. If it's
legal would have be proved in a court and that has not
been done. Like you can only put a Music CD in your car
player and no other player.
legal would have be proved in a court and that has not
been done. Like you can only put a Music CD in your car
player and no other player.
K
Ken Blake
In
That's true of a generic OEM version. However there are also
specific manufacturer's OEM versions that are BIOS-locked to
particular computers, and won't work with others.
Tech said:A minor correction. Installation of an OEM version on another
computer other than that to which it was originally installed WILL
WORK, however it is NOT legal.
That's true of a generic OEM version. However there are also
specific manufacturer's OEM versions that are BIOS-locked to
particular computers, and won't work with others.
R
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
Bad comparison, that's apples and oranges. Your music CD is like a floppy,
you can use it wherever you see fit.
A better analogy is to say that you have 3 vehicles and one license plate
and registration that you put on whichever one you want to drive at any
given moment. That is illegal in most countries, and will easily stand up in
any court.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
you can use it wherever you see fit.
A better analogy is to say that you have 3 vehicles and one license plate
and registration that you put on whichever one you want to drive at any
given moment. That is illegal in most countries, and will easily stand up in
any court.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers aka "Nutcase" MS-MVP - Win9x
Windows isn't rocket science! That's my other hobby!
Associate Expert - WinXP - Expert Zone
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
Willit,
The CD analogy is not valid.
Don't think of the Windows opertaing system as something you just put in a
PC and use then put in any other (like a DVD movie of music CD).
Think of it more like a part of your PC (like your CPU or memory).
That way you will not confuse yourself about licensing by thinking to is
something that you just use on one machine and then another.
--
Regards,
Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups
The CD analogy is not valid.
Don't think of the Windows opertaing system as something you just put in a
PC and use then put in any other (like a DVD movie of music CD).
Think of it more like a part of your PC (like your CPU or memory).
That way you will not confuse yourself about licensing by thinking to is
something that you just use on one machine and then another.
--
Regards,
Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups
D
Drew
Another way to look at this is, OEM's method might be good idea.
For example, some experts would insist on buying a "image software", say,
Drive Image and take a snapshot of your clean state of your brand new
computer. So that anything goes wrong down the road, you can always restore
the image and you have the clean slate as brand spanking new as when you
first purchased it without having to restall the OS, the Apps, drivers that
came with the PC.
For those OEM versions that are tied to the bios, you even eliminate the
step to activate XP (no internet, no phone call, no hassles).
In summary, the OEM in this sense would eliminate the need of buying an
image software because the OEM's "Recovey Disks" have self restoration image
built-in. In essence, as long as you back up your important data, you will
not need to worry about operating system or pre-installed App problems.
Also, you don't always have to restore the whole image because it has the XP
i386 folder in a separate partition where you can extract corrupted DLL's,
etc. It even comes with the Recovery Console pre-installed as well as the
OEM's recovery tool's menu to allow you to re-extract drivers or reinstall
any App that came factory preinstalled. It's pretty much fail safe. After
3 to 4 years, your $499 OEM tower could be thrown out, assuming the bios,
memory, motherboard, Cd writer/Dvd-rom all crashed and burned.
For example, some experts would insist on buying a "image software", say,
Drive Image and take a snapshot of your clean state of your brand new
computer. So that anything goes wrong down the road, you can always restore
the image and you have the clean slate as brand spanking new as when you
first purchased it without having to restall the OS, the Apps, drivers that
came with the PC.
For those OEM versions that are tied to the bios, you even eliminate the
step to activate XP (no internet, no phone call, no hassles).
In summary, the OEM in this sense would eliminate the need of buying an
image software because the OEM's "Recovey Disks" have self restoration image
built-in. In essence, as long as you back up your important data, you will
not need to worry about operating system or pre-installed App problems.
Also, you don't always have to restore the whole image because it has the XP
i386 folder in a separate partition where you can extract corrupted DLL's,
etc. It even comes with the Recovery Console pre-installed as well as the
OEM's recovery tool's menu to allow you to re-extract drivers or reinstall
any App that came factory preinstalled. It's pretty much fail safe. After
3 to 4 years, your $499 OEM tower could be thrown out, assuming the bios,
memory, motherboard, Cd writer/Dvd-rom all crashed and burned.
J
Jim Macklin
Except that the OEM image is the old crap they insist on
loading the OS with, which contributes to the instability
and prevents you from using a later Windows upgrade CD to do
a clean install.
An image of a good, clean install is one thing, an image of
a buggy, non-up-dated, non-patched computer is not a good
idea,
| Another way to look at this is, OEM's method might be good
idea.
|
| For example, some experts would insist on buying a "image
software", say,
| Drive Image and take a snapshot of your clean state of
your brand new
| computer. So that anything goes wrong down the road, you
can always restore
| the image and you have the clean slate as brand spanking
new as when you
| first purchased it without having to restall the OS, the
Apps, drivers that
| came with the PC.
|
| For those OEM versions that are tied to the bios, you even
eliminate the
| step to activate XP (no internet, no phone call, no
hassles).
|
| In summary, the OEM in this sense would eliminate the need
of buying an
| image software because the OEM's "Recovey Disks" have self
restoration image
| built-in. In essence, as long as you back up your
important data, you will
| not need to worry about operating system or pre-installed
App problems.
| Also, you don't always have to restore the whole image
because it has the XP
| i386 folder in a separate partition where you can extract
corrupted DLL's,
| etc. It even comes with the Recovery Console
pre-installed as well as the
| OEM's recovery tool's menu to allow you to re-extract
drivers or reinstall
| any App that came factory preinstalled. It's pretty much
fail safe. After
| 3 to 4 years, your $499 OEM tower could be thrown out,
assuming the bios,
| memory, motherboard, Cd writer/Dvd-rom all crashed and
burned.
| ---
message
| > | >
| > ... However there are also specific manufacturer's OEM
versions
| > that are BIOS-locked to particular computers, and won't
work with others.
| >
| > -- -
message
| > | >
| > OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) software is
permanently tied
| > to the computer with which it was shipped and on which
it was
| > installed. It will not work on another computer. Also,
OEM
| > software is supported by the Original Equipment Mfr, not
the
| > manufacturer of the software.
| >
| > ---
| > | >
| > could somebody please explain the difference: xp
| > professional full version VS. xp professional full OEM
| > version.
| >
|
|
loading the OS with, which contributes to the instability
and prevents you from using a later Windows upgrade CD to do
a clean install.
An image of a good, clean install is one thing, an image of
a buggy, non-up-dated, non-patched computer is not a good
idea,
| Another way to look at this is, OEM's method might be good
idea.
|
| For example, some experts would insist on buying a "image
software", say,
| Drive Image and take a snapshot of your clean state of
your brand new
| computer. So that anything goes wrong down the road, you
can always restore
| the image and you have the clean slate as brand spanking
new as when you
| first purchased it without having to restall the OS, the
Apps, drivers that
| came with the PC.
|
| For those OEM versions that are tied to the bios, you even
eliminate the
| step to activate XP (no internet, no phone call, no
hassles).
|
| In summary, the OEM in this sense would eliminate the need
of buying an
| image software because the OEM's "Recovey Disks" have self
restoration image
| built-in. In essence, as long as you back up your
important data, you will
| not need to worry about operating system or pre-installed
App problems.
| Also, you don't always have to restore the whole image
because it has the XP
| i386 folder in a separate partition where you can extract
corrupted DLL's,
| etc. It even comes with the Recovery Console
pre-installed as well as the
| OEM's recovery tool's menu to allow you to re-extract
drivers or reinstall
| any App that came factory preinstalled. It's pretty much
fail safe. After
| 3 to 4 years, your $499 OEM tower could be thrown out,
assuming the bios,
| memory, motherboard, Cd writer/Dvd-rom all crashed and
burned.
| ---
message
| > | >
| > ... However there are also specific manufacturer's OEM
versions
| > that are BIOS-locked to particular computers, and won't
work with others.
| >
| > -- -
message
| > | >
| > OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) software is
permanently tied
| > to the computer with which it was shipped and on which
it was
| > installed. It will not work on another computer. Also,
OEM
| > software is supported by the Original Equipment Mfr, not
the
| > manufacturer of the software.
| >
| > ---
| > | >
| > could somebody please explain the difference: xp
| > professional full version VS. xp professional full OEM
| > version.
| >
|
|
C
CZ
If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature
Bruce:
As a test, I installed my Dell version of Win XP Pro on a kit computer.
It installed fine, and started the activation period count down.
I removed it, as the sole purpose was to see if it would install.
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature
Bruce:
As a test, I installed my Dell version of Win XP Pro on a kit computer.
It installed fine, and started the activation period count down.
I removed it, as the sole purpose was to see if it would install.
D
Drew
So far, my OEM PC is quite stable. Why would you need to do a "clean
install" (using an upgrade CD)? Would it be just as fast to run the
Recovery Disks as opposed to a clean install? Perhaps I am using a fairly
new OEM PC recently purchased (a brand name). Maybe the OEM PC's have since
increased in quality, with time and experience. I am sure they have tested
over and over before they mass produce the "setup image" and release to
retail market. If not, it would cost OEM more money to fix after the fact
(such as warranty repair, or utilize their tech support over the phone).
There may be "stuff" the OEM may pre-load, but you can use MsConfig or
Startup CPL to disable "stuff" you don't want to load at startup. Any
shortcuts on the desktop could be deleted or moved to a folder and not
displayed. In essence, remove or disable all "companion" software add-ons
you don't wish to commigle with your browser.
I think nowadays, the consumers are more worry "security holes" in the OS
than anything else.
- - - - --
install" (using an upgrade CD)? Would it be just as fast to run the
Recovery Disks as opposed to a clean install? Perhaps I am using a fairly
new OEM PC recently purchased (a brand name). Maybe the OEM PC's have since
increased in quality, with time and experience. I am sure they have tested
over and over before they mass produce the "setup image" and release to
retail market. If not, it would cost OEM more money to fix after the fact
(such as warranty repair, or utilize their tech support over the phone).
There may be "stuff" the OEM may pre-load, but you can use MsConfig or
Startup CPL to disable "stuff" you don't want to load at startup. Any
shortcuts on the desktop could be deleted or moved to a folder and not
displayed. In essence, remove or disable all "companion" software add-ons
you don't wish to commigle with your browser.
I think nowadays, the consumers are more worry "security holes" in the OS
than anything else.
- - - - --
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Jim Macklin said:Except that the OEM image is the old crap they insist on
loading the OS with, which contributes to the instability
and prevents you from using a later Windows upgrade CD to do
a clean install.
An image of a good, clean install is one thing, an image of
a buggy, non-up-dated, non-patched computer is not a good
idea,
C
Crusty \(-: Old B@stard :-\)
I can't begin to tell you how many times I have purchased/installed hardware
for my clients, went on-line, and found 2 (or more) newer sets of drivers!
The same thing occurs with the O.E.M. computer itself.
for my clients, went on-line, and found 2 (or more) newer sets of drivers!
The same thing occurs with the O.E.M. computer itself.
M
Michael Stevens
CZ said:eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature
Bruce:
As a test, I installed my Dell version of Win XP Pro on a kit
computer. It installed fine, and started the activation period count
down.
I removed it, as the sole purpose was to see if it would install.
And if you have a valid OEM XP key, you can activate it.
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me
alexander said:could somebody please explain the difference: xp
professional full version VS. xp professional full OEM
version.
One is that you cannot get support from MS. I bought a Dell OEM from
Ebay and have reinstalled it 4 or 5 times and every time I activated it
via the internet. I was under the impression that I would have to call
MS to activate a second time. Maybe OEM version will activate as many
times as you like?
C
CZ
One is that you cannot get support from MS
Me:
How many people do you know of that have used MS support?
OT: how are you doing with Win2k3 server
TIA
Me:
How many people do you know of that have used MS support?
OT: how are you doing with Win2k3 server
TIA
A
Alex Nichol
CZ said:As a test, I installed my Dell version of Win XP Pro on a kit computer.
It installed fine, and started the activation period count down.
I removed it, as the sole purpose was to see if it would install.
Dell use a regular version of WIndows, with a Setup that BIOS locks if
it is a recognised Dell BIOS. Unlike some OEM versions it is not
specific to their hardware because of its proprietary nature (cf
Compaq). If it is not such a Dell BIOS, then it enters activation in
the normal way. This is what would happen if you replaced just the
motherboard on a Dell with a non-Dell one, keeping everything else the
same. The OEM license aspect applies, but is not monitored by the
activation system, unless the activation center recognises the Product
ID it is sent as being from an OEM machine and forces a phone activation
(I'm not sure on that point)
B
Bruce Chambers
Greetings --
Did it not even give a warning that it was designed expressly for
Dell computers? Sounds like Dell no longer takes as much care as they
used to when building their installation routines. I'll try to
remember to alter my examples, the next time the question comes up.
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH
Did it not even give a warning that it was designed expressly for
Dell computers? Sounds like Dell no longer takes as much care as they
used to when building their installation routines. I'll try to
remember to alter my examples, the next time the question comes up.
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH
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