OEM ok to buy?

[Guest]

Hi
In the web page below microsoft say:

" Another common misconception is that you can transfer a preinstalled or
OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine to a new machine. An OEM software
license may not be transferred from and old machine to a new machine—even if
that machine is no longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on
which it was originally installed and can't be transferred to other machines.
"

Someone i know has offered to sell me a full install of XP Pro with OEM,
CoE, unused key. It has never been installed and (to comply with some rule)
he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless hardware. Is this copy legit
and OK to install?

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

Thanks

 

[Paul Smith]

" Another common misconception is that you can transfer a preinstalled or
OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine to a new machine. An OEM
software
license may not be transferred from and old machine to a new machine-even
if
that machine is no longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine
on
which it was originally installed and can't be transferred to other
machines.

Yup OEM's are tied to the machine they are installed on forever. But you
can buy OEM copies without a full PC (usually just a piece of hardware), so
once you install on your machine then it's locked to that machine.

Someone i know has offered to sell me a full install of XP Pro with OEM,
CoE, unused key. It has never been installed and (to comply with some
rule)
he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless hardware. Is this copy
legit
and OK to install?

You buy OEM copies from many retailers, I'm assuming he has one from such
that has never been used. In which case then yes it's legit.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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[Guest]

should be good if ""CoE, unused key"!!
BUT do you believe them???

he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless hardware???
if uninstalled, it is not yet linked to any hardware, right???

 

[Guest]

Only if it is sold "sealed" with the original
Windows XP CD, Certifiacate of Authenticity,
and documentation. Any other sale is considered
bogus!

 

[Alias]

Only if it is sold "sealed" with the original
Windows XP CD, Certifiacate of Authenticity,
and documentation. Any other sale is considered
bogus!

Not being installed is the criteria, not the packaging. Please do not
mislead people, Carey.

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[Saucy Lemon]

Hi
In the web page below microsoft say:

" Another common misconception is that you can transfer a
preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine to a new
machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred from and old
machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no longer in use.
The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it was originally
installed and can't be transferred to other machines. "

Someone i know has offered to sell me a full install of XP Pro with
OEM, CoE, unused key. It has never been installed and (to comply with
some rule) he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless hardware.
Is this copy legit and OK to install?

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

Thanks

IANAL [I am not a lawyer]
IDNRM [I do not represent Microsoft]

An un-used OEM copy can be legitmately sold to you for your use if a piece
of 'computer hardware' is included in the sale [a floppy drive or a cable or
somesuch qualifies]. Be aware the OEM EULA "ties" the software to the
computer it is installed on and thereafter is considered non-transferable to
another computer, neither in parallel in time nor sequentially.

 

[Alias]

Hi
In the web page below microsoft say:

" Another common misconception is that you can transfer a
preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine to a new
machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred from and old
machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no longer in use.
The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it was originally
installed and can't be transferred to other machines. "

Someone i know has offered to sell me a full install of XP Pro with
OEM, CoE, unused key. It has never been installed and (to comply with
some rule) he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless hardware.
Is this copy legit and OK to install?

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

Thanks

IANAL [I am not a lawyer]
IDNRM [I do not represent Microsoft]

An un-used OEM copy can be legitmately sold to you for your use if a piece
of 'computer hardware' is included in the sale [a floppy drive or a cable or
somesuch qualifies]. Be aware the OEM EULA "ties" the software to the
computer it is installed on and thereafter is considered non-transferable to
another computer, neither in parallel in time nor sequentially.

May I clarify that the hardware trip isn't true in all countries. Spain,
where I live, for example, allows buying generic XP OEMs without any
hardware whatsoever. In fact, you cannot buy a full retail in Spain if
you wanted one.

 

[Saucy Lemon]

Hi
In the web page below microsoft say:

" Another common misconception is that you can transfer a
preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine to a new
machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred from and old
machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no longer in use.
The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it was originally
installed and can't be transferred to other machines. "

Someone i know has offered to sell me a full install of XP Pro with
OEM, CoE, unused key. It has never been installed and (to comply
with some rule) he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless
hardware. Is this copy legit and OK to install?

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

Thanks

IANAL [I am not a lawyer]
IDNRM [I do not represent Microsoft]

An un-used OEM copy can be legitmately sold to you for your use if a
piece of 'computer hardware' is included in the sale [a floppy drive
or a cable or somesuch qualifies]. Be aware the OEM EULA "ties" the
software to the computer it is installed on and thereafter is
considered non-transferable to another computer, neither in parallel
in time nor sequentially.

May I clarify that the hardware trip isn't true in all countries.
Spain, where I live, for example, allows buying generic XP OEMs
without any hardware whatsoever. In fact, you cannot buy a full
retail in Spain if you wanted one.

And for that matter, copyright and copyright law, "fair use" law etc. etc.
is country specific:

[Microsoft Spain / Espana]
http://www.microsoft.com/spain/

 

[Winux P]

:

: Yup OEM's are tied to the machine they are installed on forever. But you
: can buy OEM copies without a full PC (usually just a piece of hardware),
so
: once you install on your machine then it's locked to that machine.

: --
: Paul Smith,
: Yeovil, UK.
: Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
: http://www.windowsresource.net/
:
: *Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*


I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no hardware)
and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with activation nor
WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen these rules and
regulation stuck outside the product packaging before an item is sold? Funny
that neither have I...

- Winux P

 

[Ghostrider]

Winux P wrote:

I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no hardware)
and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with activation nor
WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen these rules and
regulation stuck outside the product packaging before an item is sold? Funny
that neither have I...

- Winux P

While true, there will always be person(s) who does/do not
know how or where to buy such OEM applications and they do
get stuck behind the 8-ball. Caveat emptor is not something
to be taken lightly. Ever seen the warnings, even from some
very reputable software sellers that state that all OEM sales
are final? It doesn't matter whether the EULA is on the box
or can only be read after the installation cdrom disc loads.

 

[Winux P]

:
: Winux P wrote:
:
: <<snipped>>
:
: > I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no
hardware)
: > and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with activation nor
: > WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen these rules and
: > regulation stuck outside the product packaging before an item is sold?
Funny
: > that neither have I...
: >
: > - Winux P
: >
:
:
: While true, there will always be person(s) who does/do not
: know how or where to buy such OEM applications and they do
: get stuck behind the 8-ball. Caveat emptor is not something
: to be taken lightly. Ever seen the warnings, even from some
: very reputable software sellers that state that all OEM sales
: are final? It doesn't matter whether the EULA is on the box
: or can only be read after the installation cdrom disc loads.

Neither of which needs to be agreed with. Let them claim 'their' product
back for a refund if they have any disagreements regarding their own EULA.

- Winux P

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Someone i know has offered to sell me a full install of XP Pro with OEM,
CoE, unused key. It has never been installed and (to comply with some rule)
he would sell it to me with a piece of worthless hardware. Is this copy legit
and OK to install?

You haven't provided enough information to say with any certainty. If
it is an unbranded, generic OEM installation CD, such as Microsoft sells
to small (mom & pop type shop) systems builders, and it is accompanied
by a serviceable, non-peripheral (computer won't run without it) piece
of hardware, the CoA, and a Product Key, than it's likely that it's
legitimate. If it's a branded (i.e., Dell, Sony, etc.) OEM CD, it's
legitimate only if it comes wrapped in the entire PC.


--

Bruce Chambers

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[Bruce Chambers]

I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no hardware)
and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with activation nor
WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen these rules and
regulation stuck outside the product packaging before an item is sold? Funny
that neither have I...

The only "fallacy" here is your assumption that others are as lacking
in integrity as you are.


--

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Winux P]

Crikey Bull Crappers is back sitting on his chair of virtue.

It's OK Bull Crappers the age of genetic engineering is coming, you may get
fixed after all.

- Winux P

: Winux P wrote:
:
: >
: >
: > I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no
hardware)
: > and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with activation nor
: > WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen these rules and
: > regulation stuck outside the product packaging before an item is sold?
Funny
: > that neither have I...
: >
:
:
: The only "fallacy" here is your assumption that others are as lacking
: in integrity as you are.
:
:
: --
:
: Bruce Chambers
:
: Help us help you:
:
:
:
: You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
: both at once. - RAH

 

[Alias]

The only "fallacy" here is your assumption that others are as
lacking in integrity as you are.

And the fact that one cannot reject the EULA before it's too late to get
your money back is what?

Stores, with MS' blessings, say they are selling "software" when, in
reality, if you read the EULA -- and few people do and MS knows that --
you didn't buy any software but a licence to use that software. What
ever happened to truth in advertising, speaking of "integrity"?

 

[Winux P]

: Bull Crappers wrote:
:
: > Winux P wrote:
: >
: >>
: >>
: >> I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no
: >> hardware) and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with
: >> activation nor WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen
: >> these rules and regulation stuck outside the product packaging before
: >> an item is sold? Funny that neither have I...
: >>
: >
: >
: > The only "fallacy" here is your assumption that others are as
: > lacking in integrity as you are.
: >
: >
:
: And the fact that one cannot reject the EULA before it's too late to get
: your money back is what?
:
: Stores, with MS' blessings, say they are selling "software" when, in
: reality, if you read the EULA -- and few people do and MS knows that --
: you didn't buy any software but a licence to use that software. What
: ever happened to truth in advertising, speaking of "integrity"?
:
: --
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:
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Which is all beyond the issue of Bull Crappers' mental capacity, that's why
there's whole hearted agreement from him. EULA does not stand legally and is
*not* a contract, nor is it pescriptive.

Admittingly the only bitterness I hold towards Bull Cappers is I once set
out in life to be a Comedian but,...

http://www.microscum.com/bruce/

....his face beat me to it.

- Winux P

 

[Bruce Chambers]

And the fact that one cannot reject the EULA before it's too late to get
your money back is what?

A blatant falsehood, when you deal with reputable merchants.


--

Bruce Chambers

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[Alias]

A blatant falsehood, when you deal with reputable merchants.

Like who? Show me a merchant online that has the various EULAs to read
before purchasing.

Alias

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[Winux P]

: Bruce Chambers wrote:
:
: > Winux P wrote:
: >
: >>
: >>
: >> I bought my OEM copy just with a bit of money (and absolutely no
: >> hardware) and I can use it anywhere, whenever. Never a problem with
: >> activation nor WGA. Such regulations and EULA are a fallacy. Ever seen
: >> these rules and regulation stuck outside the product packaging before
: >> an item is sold? Funny that neither have I...
: >>
: >
: >
: > The only "fallacy" here is your assumption that others are as
: > lacking in integrity as you are.
: >
: >
:
: And the fact that one cannot reject the EULA before it's too late to get
: your money back is what?
:
: Stores, with MS' blessings, say they are selling "software" when, in
: reality, if you read the EULA -- and few people do and MS knows that --
: you didn't buy any software but a licence to use that software. What
: ever happened to truth in advertising, speaking of "integrity"?
:
: --
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
: Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

Which is all beyond the issue of Bull Crappers' mental capacity, that's why
there's whole hearted agreement from him. EULA does not stand legally and is
*not* a contract, nor is it prescriptive.

Admittingly the only bitterness I hold towards Bull Cappers is I once set
out in life to be a Comedian but,...

http://www.microscum.com/bruce/

....his face beat me to it.

- Winux P