OEM License

[OEM Licensing Guru]

Even under the new OEM licensing, the license is tied to the Computer,
which is now defined as more than a single part - Kurts post even shows
that it's now more than a single part.

No it doesn't, not when it comes to when upgrading a computer to a
point it becomes a new computer. All the SBL defines is what a "fully
assembled computer system" is, for the purposes of distribution by the
System Builder.

"We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual
software license only with a fully assembled computer system. A 'fully
assembled computer system' means a computer system consisting of at
least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power
supply, and a case."

I love how you twist things! Or is it that you aren't bright enough
to comprehend what you read?

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Thanks to al for the responsesl, after posting here I got through to
MS and they told me exactly what you have said, NO!

Oh well I'll just have to cough up for a OEM with my new PC.

If I were you, I'd look into getting an Upgrade version instead of an OEM
one. It usually costs very little more than an OEM version, and will protect
you against this problem recurring. And contrary to what many people think,
an Upgrade version *can* do a clean installation, as long as you have an
installation CD Of a previous qualifying version to insert when prompted to
do so.

 

[nubian]

So, the OP has two choices. Read the EULA the way you do and run out and
buy another copy of XP and throw the one he has away OR lie (if asked,
doubtful or if asked to activate by phone, also doubtful if 120 days
have passed) to MS and install it on the new computer.

And, Leythos, please spare me the moral lecture on lying. Everyone lies,
even a saint like you.

Alias

There is no moral issues about it the way I see it Alias. Why would the
OP have to lie when the only information required is the country you are
installing it in and the WPA key? When you call in for activation, you
don't need to answer those privacy violating questions like, "What have
you done with your computer to make XP prompt you for activation?" Is
that not correct?

(Scroll down to the first question under the "Technical Activation
Details" heading)
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

 

[Alias]

There is no moral issues about it the way I see it Alias. Why would the
OP have to lie when the only information required is the country you are
installing it in and the WPA key? When you call in for activation, you
don't need to answer those privacy violating questions like, "What have
you done with your computer to make XP prompt you for activation?" Is
that not correct?

(Scroll down to the first question under the "Technical Activation
Details" heading)
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

Very good point.

Alias

 

[nubian]

So it comes down to this: We can either tell them the truth, which you
don't like, even though it's fact, or we can ignore the truth and always
tell people how to violate the license issue, making them pirates, and
not letting them know about the license issue?

I'll stick with telling people how it is suppose to be, on the legal
side, without violating the license agreement.

You can keep telling people to violate the license agreement, but that
doesn't make it proper, ethical, and says a lot about your moral
standing.

Why don't you just send him your PA Key, as long as both of you
reinstall outside of the 120 day windows you should both be happy all
the time.

Why would the OP have to lie when the only information required is the
country you are installing it in and the Installation ID? When you call
in for activation, you don't need to answer those privacy violating
questions like, "What have you done with your computer to make XP prompt
you for activation?" Is that not correct?

(Scroll down to the first question under the "Technical Activation
Details" heading)
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

Get off of your moral high horse Leythos. You support and back a greedy
corporation with a criminal history about their EULA (which is an
unconscionable license) while preaching to Alias about morals and lying?
You are as big a hypocrite as MS!

 

[Gene K]

No, you cannot install an OEM version to a new computer [ except in
extraordinary situations which would have be arranged by the original
computer manufacturer]. Simply replacing a defective hard drive in the old
computer would not prevent reinstallation so long as you had the key.

 

[Vanguard]

What don't you understand about the terms "shorted out", "burned" and "not
recoverable"?

And what part of "hard drive shorted out" do YOU see that infers the
motherboard is unusable? Remember to take your meds at the prescribed
intervals.

 

[Vanguard]

In

Maybe they have important data that cannot be retrieved from a Linux
distro. Please include this information with your recommendation to switch
to a new platform, they might want to make sure the data will be available
when they change. Please if you have OS opinions, give viable information
on how to transition to a new OS. Otherwise you are just an annoying
uninformed troll with an agenda only to disrupt this newsgroup.

Not only data, but the OP might also have critical or important software for
which there is no UNIX version of that software. If the OP was asking about
how to reinstall IBM's VM operating system, suggesting a different OS is
totally irrelevant.

NoStop doesn't intend to help. NoStop is just another "I chose UNIX so I
need to stroke, er, defend my ego" troll. I suppose there are Windows
proselytizing trolls over in the *NIX groups, too. They're everywhere.

 

[Daniel]

Why spend money AGAIN, just because of MickeyMouse's stupid rules. Go and
take a look at the latest Linux distros. Linux has come a long ways these
days and is now ready for the desktop. It'll give you an operating system
significantly more powerful than XP and it'll be thousands of times more
secure and stable, along with literally hundreds of free applications.

Learn more about gettting a FREE version at ... http://distrowatch.com/

You'll find a distro like Mandriva 2006 or Ubuntu easy to install and fun
to
use. You can even download what is called a LiveCD, so that you can run it
directly from a CD and test it out before taking the leap.

What a load of crap, in 10 years I've not had any issues with Windows,
I look after my PC's and their security.
The only reason Linux is more secure is because no one is trying
to undermine it.

Windows for me, if it wasn't for Windows I would never have
got past first base with computers and I am not in the least bit jealous
of Bill's money.

cheers

Daniel

 

[Daniel]

Very good point.

Alias

I would not do all of this crap anyway, I am proud of my 100% legal
software and am not interested in breaking the rules

Daniel

 

[Daniel]

Ken

sorry it took so long to get back to you,
I've been installing etc.
I ended up getting the OEM because in December, hopefully
I will be getting an upgrade to Vista.

cheers

Daniel

 

[NoStop]

And what part of "hard drive shorted out" do YOU see that infers the
motherboard is unusable? Remember to take your meds at the prescribed
intervals.

Well a PC that has "burned" certainly sounds like something more than a
failed hard drive. Anyways, the mystery is solved later ...

The OP also posted later: "BTW the MB and Graphics card also went west so it
is cheaper to by new than repair."

Get it yet? <sigh> Probably not.

 

[NoStop]

Nope, the license is tied to the FIRST COMPUTER it's installed on, it
doesn't say anything like - If you can get away with installing it on
another computer you have an additional valid license, it would be a
license violation - simple.

But it's ok to upgrade a computer isn't it? So we have the original computer
that Windoze was installed on. The user then, USING THE ORIGINAL CASE
SCREWS, decides to UPGRADE his computer by ADDING a new case, motherboard,
video card, hard drive, etc. Are you telling me that it would be impossible
and "illegal" to re-activate Windoze under this scenario?

 

[NoStop]

In

Maybe they have important data that cannot be retrieved from a Linux

^^^^^^^
Maybe? We don't know. Maybe they don't. Maybe, they'd be well advised to
looking at an alternative that won't cost them money AGAIN?

distro. Please include this information with your recommendation to switch
to a new platform, they might want to make sure the data will be available
when they change. Please if you have OS opinions, give viable information
on how to transition to a new OS. Otherwise you are just an annoying
uninformed troll with an agenda only to disrupt this newsgroup.

I have not intention to disrupt this newsgroup. It's certainly disrupted
enough by all the postings from the Wintards around here. I was simply
suggesting that the OP could investigate a FREE alternative and get out
from under the insanity of MickeyMouse's EULA rules. Too bad, you have a
problem with that. I thought my post was quite constructive in view of the
predicament the OP was in.

 

[OEM Licensing Guru]

I would not do all of this crap anyway, I am proud of my 100% legal
software and am not interested in breaking the rules

LOL! Its still 100% legal.

But hey, if you got money to throw away needlessly . . . .

 

[Leythos]

But it's ok to upgrade a computer isn't it? So we have the original computer
that Windoze was installed on. The user then, USING THE ORIGINAL CASE
SCREWS, decides to UPGRADE his computer by ADDING a new case, motherboard,
video card, hard drive, etc. Are you telling me that it would be impossible
and "illegal" to re-activate Windoze under this scenario?

I'm not telling you anything. You are free to make your own way, your
own decisions, to read the licensing agreement, to research your
question on the MS Site.

 

[Leythos]

I have not intention to disrupt this newsgroup. It's certainly disrupted
enough by all the postings from the Wintards around here.

Except that lame statements like the above seek to disrupt, cause you to
look immature, and don't help your position any.

I was simply
suggesting that the OP could investigate a FREE alternative and get out
from under the insanity of MickeyMouse's EULA rules. Too bad, you have a
problem with that. I thought my post was quite constructive in view of the
predicament the OP was in.

Many people, while using a MAC or Linux system will not be any better
off. Most people don't care about the licensing, as it doesn't matter
99% of the time, what they care about is ease of use, working with the
latest/current hardware, application base, and being able to get
support.

 

[Alias]

I would not do all of this crap anyway, I am proud of my 100% legal
software and am not interested in breaking the rules

Daniel

I didn't suggest that you break the law, just save some money.

Alias

 

[TK]

Sorry for my ignorance: but what is an OP please.

 

[Alias]

Sorry for my ignorance: but what is an OP please.

Original Poster.

Alias