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This thing boot successfully from floppy. But I'm facing a problem, the
keyboard is not responding, i can't type anything in NTFS4DOS. But I can use
the keyboard in normal windows and access BIOS.
 
Hi,

You may need a PS/2 keyboard if you are using a USB one. A USB board may
not be supported by the boot floppy.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
From: "Donny Broome" <[email protected]>

| Yes, and more and more OEMs are shipping PC's with no PS/2 port.
|

Yes. But the BIOS usually has a setting for "legacy USB devices". This includes keyboards
and mice.
 
aisis said:
This thing boot successfully from floppy. But I'm facing a problem, the
keyboard is not responding, i can't type anything in NTFS4DOS. But I can use
the keyboard in normal windows and access BIOS.

for completeness, i'll mention some possiblities that haven't been
mentioned,
-your computer is old and doesn't support USB very well.
-Your BIOS isn't up to date to support USB properly .
-Your MBRD is using WakeOn or WakeUp or "Wake up" or whatever it's
called, USB. Powering them from 5V SB / 5VSB, and the bad PSU isn't
supplying enough amps on that purple wire.

I suggest as David Lipman said, that you look in your BIOS to get your
USB keyboard and Mouse detected. The option is hidden sometimes.

For some ideas on where in the BIOS the setting is
In the "Phoenix Award BIOS . Under the "Integrated Peripherals"
section.
Then Under "OnChip PCI Device" , it lists about enabling USB either in
the BIOS or OS." You want BIOS. [1]
Enable USB Legacy is another thing that option may be called.
If that doesn't work. Try disabling WakeUp/WakeOn USB in the BIOS.
perhaps under power management.
For USB options in power management, i've seen a situation where I had
to hold the down key, and it scrolled down. Yet no scroll bar was
visible. So that came as a suprise that there were more options there.

If you do find it in your BIOS, and i'm sure you will. Do include what
menu/sub menu it was under.

[1]
(not an impressive reference!)
http://tinyurl.com/qybgt
thread "my NF7 S2 MBRD doesn't see US Keyboard pressing F8 to get
Windows menu"
(I meant USB keyboard, not US keyboard)
 
aisis said:
This thing boot successfully from floppy. But I'm facing a problem, the
keyboard is not responding, i can't type anything in NTFS4DOS. But I can
use
the keyboard in normal windows and access BIOS.

No.
Accessing the bios to use a USB keyboard in msdos real mode or the bios
setup required it be set that way to begin with. Or, using a PS/2 or
standard keyboard connector keyboard to set it up that way. Or, using a
PS/2 or keyboard connector connected keyboard and forget the bios setup.

Most PCs without a PS/2 keyboard connector already have this set as default
in the bios setup. Apparently, that's the case with you.

What operating system is booting from the floppy?
 
ok, I'm using USB keyboard. Is that any possibility that can use the USB
keyboard to boot floppy? I have the USB>PS/2 plug converter so I convert my
USB keyboard into a PS/2 keyboard but my pc seems like can't detect it.
 
Hi,

You might check that the PS/2 port is enabled in the system BIOS. It may not
be as the system was using the USB board and likely used legacy support.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
I just downloaded the Freeware NTFS4DOS bootdisk. The reason it's free is
cause it won't do anything, you need to buy the retail. The freeware allows
only viewing.
 
if NTFS4DOS only for viewing, so is there anything that act like NTFS4DOS,
and can do copying.
 
enabling the USB keyboard support solved my problem. But when I want to use
the Command Prompt by Shift+F5 . The boot ask me to select a command
intepreter. So I just type COMMAND.COM but it doesn't work. So I go to look
for COMMAND.COM in C drive and I found it in system32. So I copy it and paste
it in boot floppy. Then I boot it, the boot ask me again, so I key in
COMMAND.COM
and the boot says Invalid DOS version. So where to find COMMAND,COM that
compatible to my boot floppy?

This thing boot successfully from floppy. But I'm facing a problem, the
keyboard is not responding, i can't type anything in NTFS4DOS. But I can use
the keyboard in normal windows and access BIOS.

for completeness, i'll mention some possiblities that haven't been
mentioned,
-your computer is old and doesn't support USB very well.
-Your BIOS isn't up to date to support USB properly .
-Your MBRD is using WakeOn or WakeUp or "Wake up" or whatever it's
called, USB. Powering them from 5V SB / 5VSB, and the bad PSU isn't
supplying enough amps on that purple wire.

I suggest as David Lipman said, that you look in your BIOS to get your
USB keyboard and Mouse detected. The option is hidden sometimes.

For some ideas on where in the BIOS the setting is
In the "Phoenix Award BIOS . Under the "Integrated Peripherals"
section.
Then Under "OnChip PCI Device" , it lists about enabling USB either in
the BIOS or OS." You want BIOS. [1]
Enable USB Legacy is another thing that option may be called.
If that doesn't work. Try disabling WakeUp/WakeOn USB in the BIOS.
perhaps under power management.
For USB options in power management, i've seen a situation where I had
to hold the down key, and it scrolled down. Yet no scroll bar was
visible. So that came as a suprise that there were more options there.

If you do find it in your BIOS, and i'm sure you will. Do include what
menu/sub menu it was under.

[1]
(not an impressive reference!)
http://tinyurl.com/qybgt
thread "my NF7 S2 MBRD doesn't see US Keyboard pressing F8 to get
Windows menu"
(I meant USB keyboard, not US keyboard)
 
aisis said:
enabling the USB keyboard support solved my problem. But when I want to use
the Command Prompt by Shift+F5 . The boot ask me to select a command
intepreter. So I just type COMMAND.COM but it doesn't work. So I go to look
for COMMAND.COM in C drive and I found it in system32. So I copy it and paste
it in boot floppy. Then I boot it, the boot ask me again, so I key in
COMMAND.COM
and the boot says Invalid DOS version.

Side point - just butting in. It says "Incorrect DOS version". As
oppose to the Win 9X and old DOS ones which say "Incorrect MS-DOS
version" when run in a different version of DOS (I have a copy of the
win98 one in a directory and looked in it, the words are written in
there, similarly with the win xp one, and all commands).
So where to find COMMAND,COM that
compatible to my boot floppy?

When booting off a floppy, you will get the command.com error if either
a) command.com is corrupt
b) the path isn't set to refer to it
And as you say, you want the right dos version too.

If you had a Win 98 machine around, you could easily make a boot disk
with the command "sys a:" But those days are past.
go to www.bootdisk.com and download a Windows 98 Boot disk. That will
have 'a','b' and the right version of command.com.
You could make an 'msdos boot disk' from windows xp too, but
www.bootdisk.com is more of a standard way!

You shouldn't be doing SHIFT+F5 I think that is for Windows XP Safe
Command Prompt Only. Once you've got as far as a windows xp menu,
you are technically in win xp, you haven't booted (Win 9X) off the
floppy.

You want to go to your BIOS and set the boot sequence to check Floppy
first. Then reboot, and it should take you to a command prompt (and
not give an error about command.com). It'll be an. A prompt (or if the
win98 boot disk creates a ram disk, then a C prompt) . Then you know
it's correctly booted off the floppy.

Note. If you get a C prompt, that is not your NTFS drive. NTFS drives
aren't recognized naturally. It will see FAT32 drives naturally. If
you have none of them and you get a C prompt, it'll be a RAMDRIVE
created by that particular type of Win 9X boot disk. So, your NTFS
drives when you run the NTFS in DOS program will be D,E. e.t.c..

Regarding NTFS in DOS programs.
There is
NTFS4DOS(by datapol), <-- probably good, worth a try. i haven't
tried it.
NTFSDOS and NTFSDOS PRO (by the famous "sysinternals") <-- great. but
not free
NTFSREAD by ntfs.com <-- free, rubbish and only reads

To this issue of reading/writing NTFS drives.
Many people use Win XP PE. It's like a cut down Win XP on a CD.
Or put the HDD into another Win XP machine as a secondary drive (since
Win XP can read/write NTFS partitions)





This thing boot successfully from floppy. But I'm facing a problem, the
keyboard is not responding, i can't type anything in NTFS4DOS. But I can use
the keyboard in normal windows and access BIOS.

for completeness, i'll mention some possiblities that haven't been
mentioned,
-your computer is old and doesn't support USB very well.
-Your BIOS isn't up to date to support USB properly .
-Your MBRD is using WakeOn or WakeUp or "Wake up" or whatever it's
called, USB. Powering them from 5V SB / 5VSB, and the bad PSU isn't
supplying enough amps on that purple wire.

I suggest as David Lipman said, that you look in your BIOS to get your
USB keyboard and Mouse detected. The option is hidden sometimes.

For some ideas on where in the BIOS the setting is
In the "Phoenix Award BIOS . Under the "Integrated Peripherals"
section.
Then Under "OnChip PCI Device" , it lists about enabling USB either in
the BIOS or OS." You want BIOS. [1]
Enable USB Legacy is another thing that option may be called.
If that doesn't work. Try disabling WakeUp/WakeOn USB in the BIOS.
perhaps under power management.
For USB options in power management, i've seen a situation where I had
to hold the down key, and it scrolled down. Yet no scroll bar was
visible. So that came as a suprise that there were more options there.

If you do find it in your BIOS, and i'm sure you will. Do include what
menu/sub menu it was under.

[1]
(not an impressive reference!)
http://tinyurl.com/qybgt
thread "my NF7 S2 MBRD doesn't see US Keyboard pressing F8 to get
Windows menu"
(I meant USB keyboard, not US keyboard)
 
aisis said:
sorry, i don't know. I just download the NTFS4DOS from bootdisk.com and I
boot it.

:

You could use that boot disk. But if there is a problem with that one,
you could use a standard win98 boot disk (also from www.bootdisk.com),
and copy NTFS4DOS onto it.

You won't know if the boot disk you used has a problem or not, unless
you (correctly ) boot from it. Meaning, not SHIFT+F5. But choosing to
boot A (floppy) first, in the BIOS. Look where in the BIOS it says
"Boot Sequence"

You won't have to press anything afetr you save an exit the BIOS. It
should boot from the disk, and you'll get a prompt.
If it says "Bad or missing command interpreter" Then the files in the
boot disk image are wrong/misconfigured. And you should download a
different boot disk.
 
aisis said:
ok, I'm using USB keyboard. Is that any possibility that can use the USB
keyboard to boot floppy? I have the USB>PS/2 plug converter so I convert my
USB keyboard into a PS/2 keyboard but my pc seems like can't detect it.


USB Keybs support PS2, so are fine with ps2 adaptors. (It's the other
way where the problem sort of is).

Do Ps2 keybs work in your ps2 socket? Does another USB keyboard also
not work with that adaptor? It could be the adaptor that is broken

you have to do some monkey style troubleshooting here
 
=?Utf-8?B?YWlzaXM=?= said:
enabling the USB keyboard support solved my problem. But when I want to use

Use a standard ps/2 keyboard when installing windows. As recommended.
 
Plato said:
Use a standard ps/2 keyboard when installing windows. As recommended.

recommended by whome?

if a USB Keyb/Mouse isn't working in DOS or with F8 getting the windows
98 or xp menu up, Or with installing windows.

As a temporary solution or workaround it's an ok idea to use ps2
keyb/mouse . AFTER trying to enable usb in the BIOS (a quick thing to
do), and trying turning off wakeon usb. THat is very quick to do. Then
if it still doesn't work, then it makes sense to use Ps2, since further
solutions (change PSU, change Wakeon jumper on MBRD) may be a bit of a
hassle.


But if you're not giong to fix that USB issue, (because it's too much
hassle for the moment) then better to use a ps2 all the time (nost just
when installing windows). Otherwise, what if you need to use a boot
disk, what if you wnat to bring up Win 98 or Win xp F8 menu, what if
you need to reinstall windows.
 
Bob said:
Buy the retail version. I know of no other.

are you sure? perhaps you'er confusing it with NTFS PRO.

Every posting on usenet says NTFS4DOS is free, and it's in a directory
called freeware on the site of the guys that make it.

There are a few "NTFS in DOS" programs out there. You may be confusing
them.

NTFS PRO <-- great, not free. r/w made by the famous sysinternals
(sysinterals also do a free one that only reads)

NTFS4free <-- looks like it's free and r/w But I haven't tried it
made by datapol

READNTFS <-- not so good. And only reads. made by ntfs.com

An alternative to using an "NTFS IN DOS" type program, is
- Win XP PE (very very useful. These days, I find people do this
instead of the "NTFS in DOS" programs)
- putting the HDD in another machine running win xp or some other OS
that reads/writes
to NTFS (pain in the ass to open comps up and change HDD)
 
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