Norton Ghost

[Guest]

I am trying to clone a 6GB HDD with all data, XP files, drivers etc. onto a
new 80GB unpartitioned HDD. I have installed the Ghost utilities and have run
the program, the new HDD is connected as a 'slave' with the old HDD being
master still, browsing for a location to make the backup (on the new HDD) i
can't seem to locate the new HDD on the screen although it is located in
Device Manager.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Rich.
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- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England

 

[Detlev Dreyer]

Any suggestions?

http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/index.html

 

[AJR]

Rich you state "...unpartitioned HDD" - HD must be partitioned. Consider
using the "install CD" that came with the HD to do initial setup and cloning
(not backup).
..

 

[Guest]

well the HDD didnt come with a install disk, i was under the impression that
Norton Ghost took care of the partitioning process for you, would the HDD's
site have the drivers ready for download so i can do a clone onto the new HDD?

And to the reply that was not helpful in any way, im posting about an XP
question on an XP forum/newsgroup, my question didnt involve a question about
Norton Ghost, i just stated that i want to use the software but i cant find
the HDD, please read my post carefully.


thankyou for your replies.
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- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England

 

[Bob Harris]

GHOST can do two similar, but different, things: (1) make/restore an image
of a hard drive, (2) clone a hard drive.

You want to use the "clone" option. That should copy everything form the
small disk to the larger one, including the master boot record.

It has been a while since I did this, but along the way GHOST may offer to
one of the following (1) retain size, (2) expand to fill new hard drive, (3)
custom/advanced. The first will result in 6GB of used sapce and about 74GB
of unused/free space on the new hard drive. The second will result in all
80 GB being used. The third will permit more than 6 GB but less than 80GB
to be used.

The primary reason for chosing anything but expand to fill is if you want to
create a second partition for some other purpose. Note that XP can create
partitions from free space, but it can not resize/merge/split existing
partitions. For that you would need something like Partition Magic.

An alternative to cloning is to make an image on a third hard drive (e.g.,
external USB), manually partition the new drive, then restore the image to
the new drive. But, in your case that would be extra work, unless you want
some special partition structure.

A couple of cautions: (1) This sort of operation is best done from a
bootable floppy or CD, not from some hidden partition. That is, do not
attempt cloning from within XP. (2) After cloning the hard drive, and
before booting XP, disconnect the old hard drive, move the new one to the
master position, and change the jumper to master. Otherwise XP might get
confused.

 

[Guest]

but how do i clone it all without me actually seeing the HD there?

thankyou so much for your long reply.

Rich
--
- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England

 

[DL]

Perhaps your version of ghost has problems with sata drives, if you are
using such,?

 

[Anna]

but how do i clone it all without me actually seeing the HD there?

thankyou so much for your long reply.

Rich

Rich:
Yes, that's the "rub" all right...

A few questions...

1. Re your 6 GB HDD - the "source" disk. Can we assume it's non-defective;
it was your bootable HDD containing the XP OS; it booted without incident
and thereafter functioned without any problems?

Assuming your answer to 1. above is "yes"...

2. What version of Ghost are you using? We've used the Ghost 2003 version
for a fair number of years in an XP environment and by & large it has proven
to be an effective disk-cloning program. We've never been taken with its
disk imaging capability but I guess that's of no import to you anyway. When
we've used the Ghost 2003 program it was nearly always with a Ghost bootable
floppy disk or Ghost bootable CD to undertake the program. We seldom, if
ever, used Ghost's Window's GUI for undertaking the disk-to-disk cloning
process. I believe that's what Bob was referring to in his (1) "caution".

3. It's hard (if not impossible) to tell from this distance why your source
HDD is not being detected by the Ghost program (again, assuming your answer
to 1. above was "yes"). I don't know if you're working with the Ghost 9 or
10 versions. Our experience with those versions was, for the most part,
quite negative, and we stopped working with those programs some time ago.
(Although I quickly have to add that many users were satisfied with those
versions).

Anyway, if you're using the Ghost 2003 program or would be receptive to
using that version (it was bundled with the Ghost 9 & 10 retail, boxed
versions) using a Ghost 2003 bootable floppy disk or CD as described above,
I can provide you with step-by-step instructions for carrying out the disk
cloning process if you think it will be of any help to you.
Anna

 

[Guest]

yeah that would be brilliant, yeah it was the boot Hd and is the Hd that XP
was installed upon, i am using Ghost 10 but i have ghost 9 aswell, i dont
think i have a 2003 version although. The thing is ( i dont know if i said it
clearly, sorry) that even its not showing in my computer (as a Disk Drive) or
Norton Ghost, but in Device manager. The ghost CD is a bootable one as it
states it is anyway lol.

To answer your first question Anna, yes it was loaded onto the HD without
problems and has worked since.

Hope this helps,

thanks again for all support,

Rich
--
- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England

 

[Anna]

yeah that would be brilliant, yeah it was the boot Hd and is the Hd that
XP
was installed upon, i am using Ghost 10 but i have ghost 9 aswell, i dont
think i have a 2003 version although. The thing is ( i dont know if i said
it
clearly, sorry) that even its not showing in my computer (as a Disk Drive)
or
Norton Ghost, but in Device manager. The ghost CD is a bootable one as it
states it is anyway lol.

To answer your first question Anna, yes it was loaded onto the HD without
problems and has worked since.

Hope this helps,

thanks again for all support,

Rich

Rich:
I'm not sure I quite understand your comment that your intended source HDD -
the 6 GB one that is your boot HDD - is "not showing in my computer (as a
Disk Drive)", but is shown in Device Manager (I assume you're referring to
its listing in the "Disk drives" section?). Are you indicating that the
drive is not being shown in My Computer as the "Local Disk C:" or some such
designation? And it's not listed, or if it is listed, it's not assigned a
drive letter in Disk Management?

If I correctly understand what you're saying, these are your problems - not
the Ghost program.

And once again - that HDD boots & functions without any problems?
Anna

 

[Guest]

yes like, it shows in Device manager under Disk Drives and i can view the
properties, drivers blah blha, but in my computer it isnt showing as a local
Drive no. No icon, Drive letter or anything, just the 6GB old HDD although
the 80GB isnt partitioned but is brand new.

hope that helped, im beginning to confuse myself.

Rich
--
- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England

 

[HeyBub]

I am trying to clone a 6GB HDD with all data, XP files, drivers etc.
onto a new 80GB unpartitioned HDD. I have installed the Ghost
utilities and have run the program, the new HDD is connected as a
'slave' with the old HDD being master still, browsing for a location
to make the backup (on the new HDD) i can't seem to locate the new
HDD on the screen although it is located in Device Manager.

Any suggestions?

Suggest you visit the web site of your new disk's manufacturer. They should
have a utility to copy your existing stuff to their new disk. Free.

 

[JCO]

Depending you your ghost version, you might not be able to see the SATA type
drives.
What type of HD do you have?

Alternately you can try TrueImage v9 or v10 (v8 will not see SATA's either).

Also; Bob's lengthy (and accurate) answer is a better method. The slave
drive should have 2-partitions. Store the image of drive 1 on the second
partition. Then do what Rich says about the changing the drives and make it
master. When you boot, you can restore the image to the blank C-Partition.

Very important:
Create a floppy that has Ghost on it or if you use TrueImage, it has an
option to create a bootable CD. Its the best and safest way.

 

[JCO]

Another option... this might sound weird but here goes. If savvy enough
with ghost, prepare your ghost disk but boot using an old Windows 98 disk.
Once you boot up, then swap disks and invoke the GhostPe. I've found this
to be a better way to do things with ghost. I created my own Win98 boot
disk that has GhostPE on it too. I've even created a bootable CD that used
Win98 and has the Ghost Utility on it. Ghost 2003 will see SATA for sure
because I've done it.

Did you ever partition and format your new drive yet. I never saw a reply
to that. We still don't know if that's causing your issue of not seeing the
new drive.

Once again, TrueImage 10 has proven to be a better utility and it will see
SATA drives. Once installed, you can create a bootable CD which is the
safest method.

 

[Anna]

Rich:
I wonder if at this point you would be best served to simply fresh install
the XP OS onto your new 80 HDD and forget about the disk cloning operation
involving your old 6 GB HDD. Then just connect the latter as a secondary
HDD, copy whatever data you can (and that you need) from that drive onto
your new HDD and be done with it. Needless to say, that 6 GB HDD is
virtually a useless storage device in a PC and it's hard to believe it will
serve any practical use in your system. My advice would be to just dump that
6 GB HDD.
Anna

 

[Guest]

thanks for your replies. I guess i will just do a clean install of it,
thankyou.

For the record, i said the HD isnt parttioned aswell as being an IDE not a
SATA.

Once again thanks,

XRichX
--
- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England

 

[Shimmo]

Rich,

Had this problem twice over 2 years using Ghost 9.0 and Norton Save & Restore 2.0.

The answer is in the geometry of your source HDD. If there is anything wrong with your drive geometry Ghost just ignores the drive and will not list it in the drive list. I had a drive that had a partition end on a cylinder beyond the last cylinder of the physical disk. Vista formatting did the last one I had.

The best answer is to run Partition Magic on it and resize the partition down and then back to the maximum for the disk. This will need the Partition Magic standalone CD if it is your boot disk.

Ghost will then see the disk and you can clone it to your new drive using the Ghost recovery CD.

Ghost 9.0 onwards can see SATA drives.

regards, shimmo

 

[JCO]

Noted!
Good luck

thanks for your replies. I guess i will just do a clean install of it,
thankyou.

For the record, i said the HD isnt parttioned aswell as being an IDE not
a
SATA.

Once again thanks,

XRichX
--
- skin our way through XP -

Richard Edmonds,

Sleaford,
Lincolnshire,
England