NO SHARED BORDER WITHOUT THEME ?

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Richard Weerts

Been banging my head here, cannot get shared borders to work.

Site:

http://dpfwiw.com

I have no theme applied.

I've added a top and bottom shared border to all pages and this meta tag is
generated:

<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb, default">

Shared border content IS visible in the FrontPage editor, pages are saved
with the result being the above metatag.

I have tried adding a theme to a page, this worked, the shared border
suddenly appeared, and removing the theme the shared border stayed:

http://dpfwiw.com/advice.htm

(google ads are in shared border)

So ... I thought I was onto something; applied shared border to all pages
(now they all have the meta tag above), applied a theme ... shored borders
do not show on ANY other pages. But they DO show in the Preview in
FrontPage editor.

I have removed the theme and again the shared borders do not show when
browsed there.

It appears that the shared border is :

1) not applied properly to the pages ?
2) only work when used with a theme?
3) something to do with navigation (no navigation is applied, either)

I am just looking for a way to get this google code into each page on a
global basis. But this shared border does NOT behave as one might expect.

Any ideas???

Please reply to email (e-mail address removed) as well as post.

Thanks in advance.

Richard
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Are you doing this with a web / site open in FP (File Menu | Open web / Site) and not just
individual pages?

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Richard Weerts

Yes, this is all being done with FrontPage 2003 client connected to
w2003/IIS6/FP 2002 extensions.

I began by enabling shared border on one page (have done so by selecting it
when in Folders view and also while the page is open in editor, both using
Format ... Shared Borders) to test this.

I've been fully saving and closing the pages to make sure everything is
done. I understand that what is supposed to happen is that the border code
is actually installed on the .htm pages upon saving; this does not appear to
be happening.

When I found that only after applying a theme did the shared borders show up
on my one page http://dpfwiw.com/advice.htm , I went back and tried applying
shared borders to "All Pages" radio button (top and bottom), they did not
show. Then I applied a theme site-wide. Still did not show. Removed
theme. still does not show.

Now I cannot replicate the single-page approach (install theme) at:
http://dpfwiw.com/digital.htm , it does not work there.

If this is going to be page-at-a-time, I will certainly use <!-- #INCLUDE
.... --> and associate .htm with ssinc.dll instead. I had the impression
that FrontPage had all this wired, but I must be missing something..

Thanks for the reply, Tom. I used to prowl this newsgroup years ago and I
recall your name.

Richard.
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Have you tried applying themes/shared border to the entire site, instead of page by page? As both
function are designed really being applied to the global site.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
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Richard Weerts

Tom, as I mentioned I first got it to work by applying the theme to a page,
then the shared border magically appeared (the disign-time code was
installed to the page source file).

THEN, because that worked, I tried applying shared borders TO THE ENTIRE
SITE; effect was only the meta tag in the source for EVERY PAGE.

THEN, because it worked on the individual page, I applied a theme TO THE
ENTIRE SITE. But it did not make the shared borders appear, though it did
show the theme's styles now. On all pages.

ALL pages now show the shared border in editor's preview. But none show the
border when browsing to the IIS web.

NOW I can add and remove the shared border to this page and it works fine
(actually puts the HTML code in the source file). But does not work for any
others, with or without Theme!! Just like /advice.htm, I apply the shared
border and it only adds <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb"> and no
HTML content (when opened with notepad).

I have tried changing the "top.htm" file in _borders, and saving it. Seems
to do a lot of work when I do (border is thoretically applied to the whole
site). AND I have tried modifying the shared border while editing a page.
Upon saving this also seems to do a lot of work.

I think I am remembering now whay I left FP behind in favor of SSI/XSLT/CSS
.. You are never quite sure what is going to actually happen. I inherited
this from someone else, and thought it was an opening to get re-engaged with
this product.

Thanks. Any other ideas?

R
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

You need to remove the theme/shared border from the entire site and individual page, then run Tools
| Recalculate Hyperlinks then re-apply themes/shared borders to the entire site. Themes and shared
borders are not intended to be apply page by page and can cause problems when you later try to apply
them to the entire site.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
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Stefan B Rusynko

Unrelated to themes
Your problem is malformed html preventing the shared borders from being applied at
http://dpfwiw.com/index.htm
- missing <body> tag after </head> in
</head>
<div align="left">
and </body> tag before </html>

Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/ the content (inside the <BODY> tags) of the Shared Border or Include page
"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you save any of the file(s) using them (or save the borders / include pages
themselves)

FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include the Shared borders, (which are really just a special case of Include
pages)
But FP can not build those tables if either your shared border page content or main page content has illegal html or broken tag
pairs
- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or unmatched table / cell tags (unclosed table / cell tags), or some other unclosed
html block element

If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they will publish in as part of your pages

If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's because FP can not build the included content tables, so you need to
validate and correct your broken html

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| Tom, as I mentioned I first got it to work by applying the theme to a page,
| then the shared border magically appeared (the disign-time code was
| installed to the page source file).
|
| THEN, because that worked, I tried applying shared borders TO THE ENTIRE
| SITE; effect was only the meta tag in the source for EVERY PAGE.
|
| THEN, because it worked on the individual page, I applied a theme TO THE
| ENTIRE SITE. But it did not make the shared borders appear, though it did
| show the theme's styles now. On all pages.
|
| ALL pages now show the shared border in editor's preview. But none show the
| border when browsing to the IIS web.
|
| NOW I can add and remove the shared border to this page and it works fine
| (actually puts the HTML code in the source file). But does not work for any
| others, with or without Theme!! Just like /advice.htm, I apply the shared
| border and it only adds <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb"> and no
| HTML content (when opened with notepad).
|
| I have tried changing the "top.htm" file in _borders, and saving it. Seems
| to do a lot of work when I do (border is thoretically applied to the whole
| site). AND I have tried modifying the shared border while editing a page.
| Upon saving this also seems to do a lot of work.
|
| I think I am remembering now whay I left FP behind in favor of SSI/XSLT/CSS
| . You are never quite sure what is going to actually happen. I inherited
| this from someone else, and thought it was an opening to get re-engaged with
| this product.
|
| Thanks. Any other ideas?
|
| R
|
|
|
| | > Have you tried applying themes/shared border to the entire site, instead
| of page by page? As both
| > function are designed really being applied to the global site.
| > --
| > ==============================================
| > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >
| > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > ==============================================
| > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >
| | > > Yes, this is all being done with FrontPage 2003 client connected to
| > > w2003/IIS6/FP 2002 extensions.
| > >
| > > I began by enabling shared border on one page (have done so by selecting
| it
| > > when in Folders view and also while the page is open in editor, both
| using
| > > Format ... Shared Borders) to test this.
| > >
| > > I've been fully saving and closing the pages to make sure everything is
| > > done. I understand that what is supposed to happen is that the border
| code
| > > is actually installed on the .htm pages upon saving; this does not
| appear to
| > > be happening.
| > >
| > > When I found that only after applying a theme did the shared borders
| show up
| > > on my one page http://dpfwiw.com/advice.htm , I went back and tried
| applying
| > > shared borders to "All Pages" radio button (top and bottom), they did
| not
| > > show. Then I applied a theme site-wide. Still did not show. Removed
| > > theme. still does not show.
| > >
| > > Now I cannot replicate the single-page approach (install theme) at:
| > > http://dpfwiw.com/digital.htm , it does not work there.
| > >
| > > If this is going to be page-at-a-time, I will certainly use <!--
| #INCLUDE
| > > ... --> and associate .htm with ssinc.dll instead. I had the impression
| > > that FrontPage had all this wired, but I must be missing something..
| > >
| > > Thanks for the reply, Tom. I used to prowl this newsgroup years ago and
| I
| > > recall your name.
| > >
| > > Richard.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > > Are you doing this with a web / site open in FP (File Menu | Open web
| /
| > > Site) and not just
| > > > individual pages?
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > > ==============================================
| > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > >
| > > > FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > ==============================================
| > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > >
| > > | > > > > Been banging my head here, cannot get shared borders to work.
| > > > >
| > > > > Site:
| > > > >
| > > > > http://dpfwiw.com
| > > > >
| > > > > I have no theme applied.
| > > > >
| > > > > I've added a top and bottom shared border to all pages and this meta
| tag
| > > is
| > > > > generated:
| > > > >
| > > > > <meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb, default">
| > > > >
| > > > > Shared border content IS visible in the FrontPage editor, pages are
| > > saved
| > > > > with the result being the above metatag.
| > > > >
| > > > > I have tried adding a theme to a page, this worked, the shared
| border
| > > > > suddenly appeared, and removing the theme the shared border stayed:
| > > > >
| > > > > http://dpfwiw.com/advice.htm
| > > > >
| > > > > (google ads are in shared border)
| > > > >
| > > > > So ... I thought I was onto something; applied shared border to all
| > > pages
| > > > > (now they all have the meta tag above), applied a theme ... shored
| > > borders
| > > > > do not show on ANY other pages. But they DO show in the Preview in
| > > > > FrontPage editor.
| > > > >
| > > > > I have removed the theme and again the shared borders do not show
| when
| > > > > browsed there.
| > > > >
| > > > > It appears that the shared border is :
| > > > >
| > > > > 1) not applied properly to the pages ?
| > > > > 2) only work when used with a theme?
| > > > > 3) something to do with navigation (no navigation is applied,
| either)
| > > > >
| > > > > I am just looking for a way to get this google code into each page
| on a
| > > > > global basis. But this shared border does NOT behave as one might
| > > expect.
| > > > >
| > > > > Any ideas???
| > > > >
| > > > > Please reply to email (e-mail address removed) as well as post.
| > > > >
| > > > > Thanks in advance.
| > > > >
| > > > > Richard
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Richard Weerts

Stefan:

You were absolutely right! Thanks for looking under the covers! Nice
catch!

Virtually all of the pages in this site were missing <body> tags. Which is
especially embarassing considering that I inherited this project but in all
others I am religious about well-formed XML source, XSLT transformations and
XHTML results. I should make it a practice to run w3c validator against any
inherited code to see what other interesting things may await.

Yes, shared borders apply just fine when <body> tag is now present. While
placing these tags I also placed <!-- #INCLUDE ... --> directives so in the
future I can associate the ssinc.dll to have more direct control over
borders with or without FrontPage shared borders.

BUT the shared borders on all pages WERE visible using the FrontPage
Preview. This preview must be driven by the <meta name="Microsoft Border"
content="tb"> tag and not by the presense of the code that should be planted
there when shared borders are applied.

Thanks again, good luck and success to you.

Richard Weerts




Stefan B Rusynko said:
Unrelated to themes
Your problem is malformed html preventing the shared borders from being applied at
http://dpfwiw.com/index.htm
- missing <body> tag after </head> in
</head>
<div align="left">
and </body> tag before </html>

Shared borders and Include Pages are design time tools w/ the content
(inside the said:
"embedded" or included as html in your pages when you save any of the
file(s) using them (or save the borders / include pages
themselves)

FP converts your page(s) to a series of tables to include the Shared
borders, (which are really just a special case of Include
pages)
But FP can not build those tables if either your shared border page
content or main page content has illegal html or broken tag
pairs
- usually due to missing </body></html> tags, or unmatched table / cell
tags (unclosed table / cell tags), or some other unclosed
html block element

If you can see them using File Preview in Browser they will publish in as part of your pages

If you can't see them using File Preview in Browser, it's because FP can
not build the included content tables, so you need to
 

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