NFSTDos query

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Frank Booth Snr

I recently downloaded and installed NTFSDos, and I can now see my main
HDD (NTFS). My second HDD is FAT32 so I've never had a problem seeing
that through traditional Dos. When I tried to delete files on the main
HDD, I get a message of 'access denied'. Going back into Win2k and
viewing the security settings, all of the files concerned have the
'Everyone' setting. Once back running NTFSDos the Dos Attrib command
shows A, R as attributes, implying I can only read these files. On
running 'attrib -r' this has no effect. The read only attribute is not
removed.

So why is it not possible to remove the r attribute on an NTFS disk from
Dos mode?
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Frank Booth Snr said:
I recently downloaded and installed NTFSDos, and I can now see my main
HDD (NTFS). My second HDD is FAT32 so I've never had a problem seeing
that through traditional Dos. When I tried to delete files on the main
HDD, I get a message of 'access denied'. Going back into Win2k and
viewing the security settings, all of the files concerned have the
'Everyone' setting. Once back running NTFSDos the Dos Attrib command
shows A, R as attributes, implying I can only read these files. On
running 'attrib -r' this has no effect. The read only attribute is not
removed.

So why is it not possible to remove the r attribute on an NTFS disk from
Dos mode?
Click to expand...

Instead of using NTFSDOS, you might want to change to
a Bart PE boot CD. It's free, you can make your own and
it is far more powerful than NTFSDOS.
 
B

Bill_M

Pegasus (MVP) said:
Instead of using NTFSDOS, you might want to change to
a Bart PE boot CD. It's free, you can make your own and
it is far more powerful than NTFSDOS.
Click to expand...

Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro? Always wanted to use it but thought
it only worked with server.
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Bill_M said:
Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro? Always wanted to use it but thought
it only worked with server.
Click to expand...

It will work with any version of Windows and it will give you full
access to any FAT/NTFS partition. It will recognise many USB
devices and it has inbuilt drivers for quite a few network adapters.
It's an indispensable tool to me!
 
D

David Webb

You cannot create the BartPE disc using a Windows 2000 Pro CD as a source, but
you can build/compile it on a Windows 2000 Pro system.

Here's an excerpt from the web page:

Requirements to build:

1.. The files from your Windows Installation CD-Rom.

Supported Windows versions are:
a.. Windows XP Home Edition (must be slip streamed with Service Pack 1 or
higher)
b.. Windows XP Professional (must be slip streamed with Service Pack 1 or
higher)
c.. Windows Server 2003, Web Edition
d.. Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition
e.. Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition
2.. PE Builder runs on Windows 2000/XP/2003/BartPE systems.
3.. CD/DVD writer if you want to create a bootable CD/DVD.


|
| | >
| > | > > I recently downloaded and installed NTFSDos, and I can now see my main
| > > HDD (NTFS). My second HDD is FAT32 so I've never had a problem seeing
| > > that through traditional Dos. When I tried to delete files on the main
| > > HDD, I get a message of 'access denied'. Going back into Win2k and
| > > viewing the security settings, all of the files concerned have the
| > > 'Everyone' setting. Once back running NTFSDos the Dos Attrib command
| > > shows A, R as attributes, implying I can only read these files. On
| > > running 'attrib -r' this has no effect. The read only attribute is not
| > > removed.
| > >
| > > So why is it not possible to remove the r attribute on an NTFS disk from
| > > Dos mode?
| >
| > Instead of using NTFSDOS, you might want to change to
| > a Bart PE boot CD. It's free, you can make your own and
| > it is far more powerful than NTFSDOS.
| >
| >
|
| Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro? Always wanted to use it but thought
| it only worked with server.
|
|
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

David Webb said:
You cannot create the BartPE disc using a Windows 2000 Pro CD as a source, but
you can build/compile it on a Windows 2000 Pro system.
Click to expand...

I don't think so. To build a Bart PE boot CD you need
a Windows XP Pro CD (but no product code!).
 
D

David Webb

I built/compiled mine successfully on my Windows 2000 Pro system. I used my
Windows XP Pro SP2 CD as a source.

That's what my response was supposted to clarify this issue since yours could
lead one to believe that a Windows 2000 Pro would work as a source (at least
that's the way I read it).


|
| | > You cannot create the BartPE disc using a Windows 2000 Pro CD as a source,
| but
| > you can build/compile it on a Windows 2000 Pro system.
| >
|
| I don't think so. To build a Bart PE boot CD you need
| a Windows XP Pro CD (but no product code!).
|
|
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

David Webb said:
I built/compiled mine successfully on my Windows 2000 Pro system. I used my
Windows XP Pro SP2 CD as a source.

That's what my response was supposted to clarify this issue since yours could
lead one to believe that a Windows 2000 Pro would work as a source (at least
that's the way I read it).
Click to expand...

Bill's question was: "Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro?"
The answer is, of course, that it will ***work***. However,
as you clarified above you need at least Win2000 as an OS plus
a WinXP Pro CD in order to ***create*** a Bart CD.
 
B

Bill_M

Pegasus (MVP) said:
Bill's question was: "Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro?"
The answer is, of course, that it will ***work***. However,
as you clarified above you need at least Win2000 as an OS plus
a WinXP Pro CD in order to ***create*** a Bart CD.
Click to expand...

Thanks all for the answer. Since I don't have WinXP Pro, I can't create a
Bart CD. Had hoped I missed something when I was at the Bart site a while
back.
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Bill_M said:
Thanks all for the answer. Since I don't have WinXP Pro, I can't create a
Bart CD. Had hoped I missed something when I was at the Bart site a while
back.
Click to expand...

Don't you have any friends who can lend you a CD? As I said,
you do not need a product code, just the CD (or a copy of one).
And it's completely legal!
 
D

David Webb

If you have a friend that has a Retail or OEM CD, borrow it and then make a 1:1
copy for yourself. The XP Home version will also work, but it must be up to SP1.
Keep in mind that you do not need a Product Key to make a BartPE disc. There is
no activation requirement when you run the final product, i.e., the BartPE CD.

If you're seriously interested in creating a tool like this, the BartPE boot
disc is a good place to start, but it takes a lot of time to find/create/add and
test the additional plug-ins you may want or need.

I recommend the UBCD4WIN CD instead. This is a BartPE CD on steroids. It
utilizes the Bart compiler (PEBuilder) to generate the ISO image and then burn
the image to a CD and it has most of the freeware utilities and drivers you'll
need already established for you. Naturally, some updates are required for the
AV utilities.

See this link for more info and to download all requirements, which now includes
the BartPE builder software. It's all free:

http://www.ubcd4win.com/

|
| | >
| > | > > I built/compiled mine successfully on my Windows 2000 Pro system. I used
| > my
| > > Windows XP Pro SP2 CD as a source.
| > >
| > > That's what my response was supposted to clarify this issue since yours
| > could
| > > lead one to believe that a Windows 2000 Pro would work as a source (at
| > least
| > > that's the way I read it).
| > >
| >
| > Bill's question was: "Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro?"
| > The answer is, of course, that it will ***work***. However,
| > as you clarified above you need at least Win2000 as an OS plus
| > a WinXP Pro CD in order to ***create*** a Bart CD.
| >
| >
|
| Thanks all for the answer. Since I don't have WinXP Pro, I can't create a
| Bart CD. Had hoped I missed something when I was at the Bart site a while
| back.
|
|
 
D

David Webb

An already built PE disk? Not quite. It has the same basic requirements that the
BartPE product has. See this link for "How to Build" info:

http://www.ubcd4win.com/howto.htm

| Bill_M wrote:
| > | >
| >>| >>
| >>>I built/compiled mine successfully on my Windows 2000 Pro system. I used
| >>
| >>my
| >>
| >>>Windows XP Pro SP2 CD as a source.
| >>>
| >>>That's what my response was supposted to clarify this issue since yours
| >>
| >>could
| >>
| >>>lead one to believe that a Windows 2000 Pro would work as a source (at
| >>
| >>least
| >>
| >>>that's the way I read it).
| >>>
| >>
| >>Bill's question was: "Will Bart work with standard Win2K Pro?"
| >>The answer is, of course, that it will ***work***. However,
| >>as you clarified above you need at least Win2000 as an OS plus
| >>a WinXP Pro CD in order to ***create*** a Bart CD.
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
| > Thanks all for the answer. Since I don't have WinXP Pro, I can't create a
| > Bart CD. Had hoped I missed something when I was at the Bart site a while
| > back.
|
| Big download but this is an alternative
| http://www.ubcd4win.com/index.htm In essence it's an aleredy built PE disk.
|
| John
|
 
J

John John

Thanks for the correction, so in essence it's a bunch of plug-ins for a
PE disk. Without an XP cd the o.p. is no further ahead...

John
 
B

Bill_M

Thanks all for the help. Based on all the valuable info so far I'm now on my
way to a Bart Disk. Thanks also Pegasus, missed the legal OK part before!
 
A

Art

I recently downloaded and installed NTFSDos, and I can now see my main
HDD (NTFS). My second HDD is FAT32 so I've never had a problem seeing
that through traditional Dos. When I tried to delete files on the main
HDD, I get a message of 'access denied'. Going back into Win2k and
viewing the security settings, all of the files concerned have the
'Everyone' setting. Once back running NTFSDos the Dos Attrib command
shows A, R as attributes, implying I can only read these files. On
running 'attrib -r' this has no effect. The read only attribute is not
removed.

So why is it not possible to remove the r attribute on an NTFS disk from
Dos mode?
Click to expand...

There is a free product now from Avira called NTFS4DOS which allows
both read and write on NTFS partitions. When first run, it offers to
create a Free DOS boot disk with NTFS4DOS. Here's a direct download
link:
http://www.free-av.com/down/windows/ntfs_h.exe

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 

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