new Vista

[AlexB]

I turned on my new computer this morning, fresh out of the box. It is DELL
Dimension T7400 with X5450 Quad processor.

It is almost 4 times as heavy as my old GX-280s and has 2 RAID HDDs with
Vista Ultimate. After some upgrades and adjusting screen resolution it was
ready for work.

I have three flat monitors on my desk, two of them attached to this new baby
and the remaining to an old GX-280 which I consider sill capable of doing a
handsome work for me in terms of development. The new machine is just
overwhelming. It is awesome. I began installing SQL Server Express and it
took perhaps 1/10th of the time it usually takes for the same installation
on GX.

I do have a couple of questions, though.

The second disk (D appeared to be not empty to my surprise. It has a
"System Recovery" folder. It is really huge. The size of it seems to be 5
times larger than the OS on C:, unless I've made a hurried observation in
the excitement of the moment. What shall I do with it?

(1) Leave it alone?
(2) make sure that it is being updated via some mechanism I haven't learned
yet?
(3) Can I use the remaining space on this folder for some other storage? It
is not that I need it badly. I have plenty of storage devices attached to
the machine but I am sill curious.

I do computer backups but they seem to be conceptually different, right? In
what sense are they different? I want an exact technical description.

I do backups almost daily on my other Vistas but this is not helpful (or
helpful?) in recovery?

What is the difference between the recovery partition and the computer
backup?

Any information that will help me to understand the new phenomenon would be
appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[John Smith]

Hello, you will be back many times to this newsgroup because you will keep
running into problems,

Vista sucks and it will prove it to you!

 

[DanS]

I turned on my new computer this morning, fresh out of the box. It is
DELL Dimension T7400 with X5450 Quad processor.

What is the difference between the recovery partition and the computer
backup?

Any information that will help me to understand the new phenomenon
would be appreciated.

This is by far not anything new.

This post is just another one by you that shows that you really shouldn't
be giving anyone advise, as it's obvious you have little computer
experience.

 

[forty-nine]

I turned on my new computer this morning, fresh out of the box. It is DELL
Dimension T7400 with X5450 Quad processor.

It is almost 4 times as heavy as my old GX-280s and has 2 RAID HDDs with
Vista Ultimate. After some upgrades and adjusting screen resolution it was
ready for work.

I have three flat monitors on my desk, two of them attached to this new
baby and the remaining to an old GX-280 which I consider sill capable of
doing a handsome work for me in terms of development. The new machine is
just overwhelming. It is awesome. I began installing SQL Server Express
and it took perhaps 1/10th of the time it usually takes for the same
installation on GX.

I do have a couple of questions, though.

The second disk (D appeared to be not empty to my surprise. It has a
"System Recovery" folder. It is really huge. The size of it seems to be 5
times larger than the OS on C:, unless I've made a hurried observation in
the excitement of the moment. What shall I do with it?

(1) Leave it alone?
(2) make sure that it is being updated via some mechanism I haven't
learned yet?
(3) Can I use the remaining space on this folder for some other storage?
It is not that I need it badly. I have plenty of storage devices attached
to the machine but I am sill curious.

I do computer backups but they seem to be conceptually different, right?
In what sense are they different? I want an exact technical description.

I do backups almost daily on my other Vistas but this is not helpful (or
helpful?) in recovery?

What is the difference between the recovery partition and the computer
backup?

Any information that will help me to understand the new phenomenon would
be appreciated.

Thanks.

If you have the Vista installation DVD, and don't need the other Dell crap
that was preinstalled...delete the recovery partition.

 

[AlexB]

Thanks forty-nine. Much appreciated.

If you have the Vista installation DVD, and don't need the other Dell crap
that was preinstalled...delete the recovery partition.

 

[AlexB]

That remains to be seen. As compared to your advice.... You better stay at a
safe distance from my sharp tongue.

 

[Rick Rogers]

Hi AlexB,

A system recovery volume is used by many manufacturers to allow the end user
to return the system to factory state. Normally, this is a small volume
(less than 10GB) that has little room for additional data. You may want to
recheck the size reports. (could be 9.8GB, not 98GB). The volume should be
left alone.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

 

[John Smith]

then he should delete the main vista partition format and install a real OS
like XP...

not that vista crap lol

 

[AlexB]

In almost 12 hours nobody's answered my essential question: what is the
difference (in detail) between a

(1) recovery partition,

(2) an image that perhaps WinImage or Acronis would create (I've got the
former),

(3) the Vista' "Backup Computer" file and

(4) a MS system recovery disk.

I actually understand the MS recovery OS disk quite well, since I used them
numerous times with my XPs and installed Vistas quite a few times already
and overall I've installed a least 30 OSs but I still do not understand the
others.

I am sure Mr. DanSS know it all. I am also sure he will never stoop so low
as to give me a helping hand, however, perhaps he will post the information
on behalf of the community for everyone's benefit?

Please Dan, show your non-knowhow!

P.S. Again, my thanks to Ninety-nine, I am sorry, Forty-nine for giving me
that assurance about the DELL recovery partition. it was important.

 

[MICHAEL]

That remains to be seen. As compared to your advice.... You better stay at a
safe distance from my sharp tongue.

Fortunately, I don't stop by this newsgroup much anymore. The few posts
of yours that I have read indicate you are rather ignorant. You certainly
think you know more than you actually do. I agree with Dan. Please, stop
pretending and stop giving advice. While you have your head firmly placed
between your buttocks, use that sharp tongue of yours to clean up your
dingleberry drivel. Thanks.


-Michael

 

[Emil Lulic]

Maybe if DanSS doesn't help you, you can use my post (surely not as good,
but somewhat usefull):

1. A recovery partition is created by the (laptop) manufacturer, to enable
you to restore the PC to the factory state if anything goes wrong... This is
available only with laptops...

3. The Vista Backup computer file restores your PC to the state when the
file was created (if it's an entire computer backup), and restores your User
Files (only the last, if it's not an entire computer backup). The only
difference between 3 and 1 is that you can create many 3s of your own, but
the 1s are created by the manufacturer.

The other two, as I understand, you are already familiar with...

Hope I helped, maybe a little...

Emil Lulic

 

[AlexB]

Thank you very much, Emil, I appreciate it. I have a huge blind spot on this
issue which I am trying to close.

 

[AlexB]

And could you be specific and quote exactly which posts of mine were so
ignorant?

For the lack of quotations I must assume you have an ulterior motive to
smear my reputation but it will certainly stand.

If I am not mistaken you must be one of those Ubuntu Sub-Saharan guys reared
in the vicinity of the heroics of African Queen and other safaris.

It seems I remember some of your Ubuntu posts, or the ones you acted as a
cheerleader.

No thanks, not at all.

 

[MICHAEL]

Yes, you are obviously ignorant.

I've been posting in these Vista newsgroups since their
inception. I've been using Vista regularly since June 2006,
and have Vista installed on three machines. While I have
been underwhelmed by Vista, I do not think it sucks.... it has
gotten better since its RTM.

No, you've not seen me cheerlead for Ubuntu. Although, I do
think it could be viable alternative for many users. My Linux flavor
of choice is PCLinuxOS. However, at this point, I primarily use Vista
and still have an install of WinXP Pro on another laptop. I have made
a few posts stating I do not hate Linux and hope that it continues
to improve. But, I use Windows, you big goober.

The very first post I read of yours was when you were so sure
SP1 was already out and included in Vista. Needless to say,
you were wrong. Since then, much of the context in many of
your posts really sheds light on your lack of knowledge.... you
should be embarrassed. Unfortunately, fools such as yourself,
rarely see their own intellectual inadequacies.

Perhaps, instead of spending time sharpening your tongue,
you should sharpen your knowledge.


-Michael

 

[alexB]

I was wrong on SP1, you are right, but you were wrong on Ubuntu. That was
perhaps one of my few mistakes. There might be a few others. Obviously you
will have hard time quoting them. Also if I am not mistaken after the
information transpired I posted an apology which is my practice. But even if
we bring that into focus that mistaken statement cannot be regarded as of
anything technical nature when you and your friends give people advice not
in good faith. As usual for individuals with an agenda, a crapss to sell or
some other underhanded tactics you throw around baseless accusations.

Haven't heard much about your Ubuntu latterly. You were swaggering around
saying that Ubuntu will beat Vista with your member down. Has it since
expired?

Although, I do
think it could be viable alternative for many users.

This is of course, not cheerleading, not at all.

Do not backpedal on your Ubuntu commitment. I can go back and pull your
quotes. You are a Ubuntu cheerleader and perhaps even promoter/owner.

As to the advice what I am supposed to be doing it is not up to your meager
intellectual means to show me the way.

 

[DanS]

I was wrong on SP1, you are right, but you were wrong on Ubuntu. That
was perhaps one of my few mistakes. There might be a few others.
Obviously you will have hard time quoting them.

Not hard at all quoting, here's a few of your posts. Not that any are
'wrong', but some sound bizarre and out there......rambling an incoherent
at some points. I think in one fo them somewhere, maybe not here, you
started out by saying something about you are rambling incoherently.

The first 3 are your series from today about finding duplicate files.

And what I still fail to understand, is how losing your internet
connection made you lose 6 months of work. (That's the last post at the
bottom.)

-----------------
Yes but it is time consuming.

Something off the top of my head but you can improve on it. It has
nothing
to do with Vista. You open the command prompt and make a CD C:
\myImageFiles\
directory. Obviously it is just a made up example. When you get there you
type in something like this:

Copy *.* D:\myImageFiles\*.*

In response you will get a prompt. The emulation DOS will ask you if you
want to replace the duplicate files. the options will be: Y/N/All. Type A
for All. You can use lower case also.

What will follow is that ALL files from the first directory will be
copied
to the next directory. Thus you will be assured that the second directory
is
a total redundancy. DELETE all files in the second directory by using del
*.* (at this stage Vista may show its personality by asking you to
confirm
your identity), then remove directory from the directory on n-1 level by
using rmdir myImageFiles command and go to the next directory.

It might take you a bit of time but it is doable.

Now, if your tiding up includes deleting discriminately unwanted files
this
is another matter. This also can be done with a method like this but it
is
much more complicated.
---------------------
I am sorry, that statement: "make a CD C:..." does not mean that you have
to
MAKE a directory. It is just a command you will have to use.

You type in

cd C:\myImageFiless and do carriage return and this will place you into
that
"current directory"
----------------------
Another correction:

Unfortunately I might have sent you on a dangerous path. in that scenario
I
outlined so carelessly. You should remove the *first* directory, not the
*second* one, because the second directory will not be identical to the
first directory but it will contain all the files that the first
directory
does.

When you do such things, take a deep breath, think carefully, triple
check
everything and then remove directories.

I may still be goofing up somewhere but it is DOABLE without their magic
software.
-----------------------

And some others......

I need to burn some iso images I get from MSDN like Visual Studio 2008,
etc/
MS does not provide a way to deal with iso files. They officially
recommend
to use third party software. I searched the MSDN sites to get a trusted
opinion. People recommend various apps and today I decided to download
and
install Daemon Lite.

I got in trouble very quickly. They say that it is a workable tool to
burn
images but I could not find any buttons to do it. I downloaded a bunch of
adds and links to other websites to purchase $69.00 applications which I
do
not even know what they will be doing.

I tried to uninstall the Demon, and it really deserves a name change, but
although Vista said that the uninstall was complete it is nothing but.

The desktop link is on. At least that was removable.

The registry is full of this cr***.

The folder in Program Files\DAEMON Tool Lite is impossible to delete.
First
it was read only. I unchecked that. But after you closed it it comes
back:
read only.
I do Right Click==>Properties==>Security==>

They set up a user: ***TrustedInstaller***. I cannot remove it through
Edit
Button. If I press Remove, I get a security warning:

You can't remove TrustedInstaller because this object is inheriting
permissions from its parent. To remove the trusted installer, you must
prevent the object from inheriting permissions, and then try removing
TrustedInstaller again.

It also completely wiped out my Spybot S&D download which I have used for
weeks. It has been removed from the desktop, removed as a file folder
from
Program Files.

It is a criminal company, I'll tell you. Our lawmakers probably get fat
tips
from such guys to run their business unrestricted.

Who is the parent of the TrustedInstaller? How can I sever the
Inheritance?
Why has it never come up as an issue with other software and folders I
has
been removing? I may resort to just deleting all registry keys which
contain
the devil marks. Is it a good Idea?

What shall I do?

Thanks.
-----------------------

Mozilla is a malware. Works well in Ububtu though.

----------------------

It is up to an individual to make it a pile of poo poo. You've made your
best (locally). Don't generalize. For me XP was a pile of poo poo when I
lost my Internet connection on my XP partition where I had my development
set up. At least 6 months of my work was lost because NOBODY could
restore
it. I called DELL and they walked me thru all possible manuals and
nothing
worked. They changed the motherboard, they usual answer to software
hang-ups, and it did not help either. From my past experience I knew that
installing a new clean XP is a total nightmare. It takes at least a week
to
collect all drivers.

 

[MICHAEL]

You are thoroughly confused.


-Michael

I was wrong on SP1, you are right, but you were wrong on Ubuntu. That was
perhaps one of my few mistakes. There might be a few others. Obviously you
will have hard time quoting them. Also if I am not mistaken after the
information transpired I posted an apology which is my practice. But even if
we bring that into focus that mistaken statement cannot be regarded as of
anything technical nature when you and your friends give people advice not
in good faith. As usual for individuals with an agenda, a crapss to sell or
some other underhanded tactics you throw around baseless accusations.

Haven't heard much about your Ubuntu latterly. You were swaggering around
saying that Ubuntu will beat Vista with your member down. Has it since
expired?


This is of course, not cheerleading, not at all.

Do not backpedal on your Ubuntu commitment. I can go back and pull your
quotes. You are a Ubuntu cheerleader and perhaps even promoter/owner.

As to the advice what I am supposed to be doing it is not up to your meager
intellectual means to show me the way.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Fortunately, I don't stop by this newsgroup much anymore. The few posts
of yours that I have read indicate you are rather ignorant. You certainly
think you know more than you actually do. I agree with Dan. Please, stop
pretending and stop giving advice. While you have your head firmly placed
between your buttocks, use that sharp tongue of yours to clean up your
dingleberry drivel. Thanks.


-Michael

I noticed you don't post in here that often recently. I do so miss you
wit and witticisms! Charlie Tame too!


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[Charlie Tame]

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:

I noticed you don't post in here that often recently. I do so miss you
wit and witticisms! Charlie Tame too!

Hehe, I have been considerably distracted recently, and also rather busy
at work, and trying to get my new apartment set up.

I estimate available time as
5% apartment
45% work
50% 30 yr old blonde

and I have to sleep some time

 

[Charlie Tame]

In almost 12 hours nobody's answered my essential question: what is the
difference (in detail) between a

(1) recovery partition,

(2) an image that perhaps WinImage or Acronis would create (I've got the
former),

(3) the Vista' "Backup Computer" file and

(4) a MS system recovery disk.

I actually understand the MS recovery OS disk quite well, since I used
them numerous times with my XPs and installed Vistas quite a few times
already and overall I've installed a least 30 OSs but I still do not
understand the others.

I am sure Mr. DanSS know it all. I am also sure he will never stoop so
low as to give me a helping hand, however, perhaps he will post the
information on behalf of the community for everyone's benefit?

Please Dan, show your non-knowhow!

P.S. Again, my thanks to Ninety-nine, I am sorry, Forty-nine for giving
me that assurance about the DELL recovery partition. it was important.

The recovery partition will usually put the machine back to exactly how
it left the factory meaning you will need to start completely over and
lose any personal stuff.

It is like a clean install using the retail DVD but probably has lots of
extra manufacturer's junk.

It is NOT a backup.

Acronis will make an exact image of the machine as it is when you make
the image, exactly, including your docs, personal stuff and updates. Of
course you have to make one full image but you can then do "Incremental"
backups which only takes as long as it does to copy any "Changes".

I have never trusted any MS backup systems, so cannot help you with
that. Acronis is not the only system, there are others but I have not
used them so can't honestly advise but Acronis has never let me down
yet. You can use the supplied CD / DVD (or make one yourself) to restore
the image to a brand new drive if yours ever fails.

In addition to the above if your recovery partition gets damaged you are
in deep crap so try and start with a fairly clean system and use Acronis
to record an image to DVD or something if you can.

The problem with getting rid of the recovery partition completely and
using a retail version to reinstall is that some drivers may not be
available for the hardware but this is pretty unlikely and quite
honestly any OEM that doesn't have drivers available on their website
these days needs a kick up the ass.