New SATA Install

[Coope]

Apologies for replying to myself but I'd just like to go back to mySATAproblem. I've borrowed my brother's old PC which is newer than
mine and plugged my newSATAdrive right into it and it worked. The PC
had only ever had an IDE drive in before. So I can confirm that the
drive itself and the cable works fine.

I may be back onto this thread in a few days when I get my PC back up
again if I need more help. Then I'll go back and read the previous
stuff posted on here that I didn't get a chance to reply to (as I had
bigger problems!)

Thanks again.

Ahhh...one more thing. I have the PLCC? 32 pin chip...I've already
taken it out and peeled off the label to get the text under it. When
my new one arrives do I have to install it a certain way round? Or can
it be either?

 

[JS]

Orientation is important, there should be
a notch or guide so that you can only insert
in the proper direction so check the chip
and socket to verify.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com

Apologies for replying to myself but I'd just like to go back to
mySATAproblem. I've borrowed my brother's old PC which is newer than
mine and plugged my newSATAdrive right into it and it worked. The PC
had only ever had an IDE drive in before. So I can confirm that the
drive itself and the cable works fine.

I may be back onto this thread in a few days when I get my PC back up
again if I need more help. Then I'll go back and read the previous
stuff posted on here that I didn't get a chance to reply to (as I had
bigger problems!)

Thanks again.

Ahhh...one more thing. I have the PLCC? 32 pin chip...I've already
taken it out and peeled off the label to get the text under it. When
my new one arrives do I have to install it a certain way round? Or can
it be either?

 

[Craig Coope]

5 years old ? - is the SATA controller motherboard based or is it a
PCI or PCIe add-in card ?

I have onboard SATA and also a Promise controller. I was just using
the onboard but I'm pretty sure that when I firs got this PC the drive
was plugged into SATA PRI on the Promise side.

If I understand your post XP was originally on the SATA and the
IDE was an additional physical drive. How did you switch over to
the IDE drive ( Image or alternate XP install ? ). When you changed
the SATA drive you copied the original SATA drive contents to the
new SATA. In it's current configuration is the IDE drive still in the
hardware profile ?

When my drive failed I just installed XP onto my additional IDE and
then when I was able to access the failing SATA from within Windows
and just copied files I wanted (none program files or anything...just
photos anf music mainly)

I'm still running on my old IDE with the new SATA failing to be
recognised during boot. However if you have followed this threadI've
said that my BIOS died and I've just received a new chip so it's back
up. Originally it would say Failed to initiate press g to continue but
now it doesn't act like the drive is in at all when I plug into my
onboard SATA port.

However when I now plug the drive into one of the Promise ports it
does get recognised and asked me to setup a RAID array....But it's my
understanding that with this one drive connected by SATA I do not use
an array. I let it do its thing anyway and it set up an array on
stripe and the drive was there to see on the setup screen...but like I
said...surely I don't need this array?

 

[Craig Coope]

If it's 5 years old, I see it the other way, IDE was the boot drive,
SATA was added. And it doesn't sound like he's copied anything to the
new drive yet.


Terry R.

No it originally came with just one SATA drive all set up. I added the
IDE later (it was a spare drive I used to have on my old PC) as I
wanted a bit more storage.

 

[Craig Coope]

The date and time was Friday, April 17, 2009 4:02:55 AM, and on a whim,
Craig Coope pounded out on the keyboard:


Hi Craig,

Check all your SATA options in your BIOS. Maybe since you connected two
a setting was changed. Also check your RAID options that none of them
are turned on.


Terry R.

I cannot find anything to do with RAID at all unless it has a
different acronym. I can only find "onboard SATA boot ROM" enable and
disable and Promise controller enable and disable....

 

[Craig Coope]

If your PC is 5 years old it most likely
supported SATA-I drives. If the new
SATA drive you bought is SATA-II
then check user's manual for the new
drive and see if there is a jumper setting
to make it SATA-I compatible.

I came up with this conclusion myself and I have downloaded the patch
from the Sammy website to patch it but when the floppy boots and
starts to run the patch program doesn't recognise the drive at all so
it doesn't patch.

I'm pretty sure this 3.0gbps to 1.5gbps is the problem though.

 

[Craig Coope]

Orientation is important, there should be
a notch or guide so that you can only insert
in the proper direction so check the chip
and socket to verify.

Thanks....on second look I could see that one corner was different...

 

[Paul]

Thanks....on second look I could see that one corner was different...

The ones I used at work, had a triangle moulded into the
brown plastic. The chip itself, had a "dot" embedded in the
center of one side. The dot lines up with the triangle.
Generally, it pays to leave the old one installed, until
you're ready to transfer, as then you'll remember how
it was oriented.

+----------+
| \/ | +---------+
| | | O |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | +---------+
+----------+

I've changed about a hundred of these, and it gets
boring after a while I've only messed up the
pins on a few of them, using the wrong tool to
remove them. Easy to fix with a pair of pliers.
Fortunately, I've never damaged a brown socket.

Paul

 

[JS]

It's a jumper on the hard drive that allows
the drive to be recognized by your SATA-I
motherboard (as long as the proper motherboard
chipset drivers are installed).

Whets with the Sammy adaptor, how any why are
you using it?

 

[JS]

Check the BIOS again and look for
key words like: "Enhanced", "Combined",
and possibly other combinations. If you
do see "Enhanced" mode, then try setting
the BIOS it and exit and save changes.

 

[JS]

I'm not familiar with that specific Promise card.
But I have seen motherboards with RAID controller
chips and in at least some cases they are only used
for RAID configurations, however if you do not load
the RAID driver then maybe the Promise card will
function in plain old SATA mode. Check their web
site for more information on your specific model number.

 

[JS]

You're welcome.
Glad you got it fixed and saved the motherboard
from the recycling center.

 

[Craig Coope]

It's a jumper on the hard drive that allows
the drive to be recognized by your SATA-I
motherboard (as long as the proper motherboard
chipset drivers are installed).

In this case there are no jumpers. You have to download a patch and
use that. It's written in the manual and on the website.

Whets with the Sammy adaptor, how any why are
you using it?

I'm not sure what you mean here...what adaptor?

 

[Craig Coope]

I'm not familiar with that specific Promise card.
But I have seen motherboards with RAID controller
chips and in at least some cases they are only used
for RAID configurations, however if you do not load
the RAID driver then maybe the Promise card will
function in plain old SATA mode. Check their web
site for more information on your specific model number.

I know but when I first got the PC I'm almost 100% sure the drive was
connected to the Promise socket and I've never done anything with
drivers and such....

I'll look into it though...

 

[Craig Coope]

Check the BIOS again and look for
key words like: "Enhanced", "Combined",
and possibly other combinations. If you
do see "Enhanced" mode, then try setting
the BIOS it and exit and save changes.

I've looked everywhere for these things...with no luck

Oh..on a different note obviously my BIOS is new and I've not changed
any settings. My AGP card is X8 and has 512meg of mem. Currently in
BIOS the apperture size is 64meg....(it goes up to 256meg I
think)...do I need to change this to get the most out of my card?

Thanks for your help

 

[JS]

Is you hard drive connected directly to the motherboard
please post back the link to the patch web site you mentioned
and user's manual site. This will help me get a better understanding.

 

[Craig Coope]

Is you hard drive connected directly to the motherboard
please post back the link to the patch web site you mentioned
and user's manual site. This will help me get a better understanding.

It is connected directly to the mobo yes.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=126&orderNum=2

That is the link to the "jumper" patch.

Here is my manual

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...419200104171_3.5_Install_Gudie_Eng_200704.pdf

it's a little generic though as it talkes about the jumper settings
for master and slave etc and shows a set of 4 jumpers...the actual
drive only has 2 sets of jumpers (4 pins in total) and doesn't tell
you what they are for!

 

[JS]

64MB to 128MB is typical setting
even for your card.

Did I ask you for the motherboard
manufacture's name and model number.
Maybe I can find something in the user's manual
on BIOS settings.

 

[Craig Coope]

64MB to 128MB is typical setting
even for your card.

Did I ask you for the motherboard
manufacture's name and model number.
Maybe I can find something in the user's manual
on BIOS settings.

ASUS K8V

I have AMIBIOS on it.

I've had another look through the BIOS settings and I can still only
find 2 reference to onboard SATA and the one to onboard Promise....and
they don't bring up subsettings when enabled.

 

[Craig Coope]

64MB to 128MB is typical setting
even for your card.

Did I ask you for the motherboard
manufacture's name and model number.
Maybe I can find something in the user's manual
on BIOS settings.

I've tried so many things now without joy...

Others have suggested buying a PCI SATA card...

Will I have any speed issues if I have my Windows installation on it?