New NVU pre-release

[John Corliss]

"New Announcement Apr 14, 2005:

The fourth pre-release version of Nvu 1.0 Preview Release is now
available for download. To download the installation files for available
platforms visit the download section."

http://www.nvu.com/

Can't wait for the final.

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[null]

"New Announcement Apr 14, 2005:

The fourth pre-release version of Nvu 1.0 Preview Release is now
available for download. To download the installation files for available
platforms visit the download section."

http://www.nvu.com/

Can't wait for the final.

I just started using Nvu, and I'm delighted with it. I had used
Netscape and then Moz Composer for years to put up a quick and easy
web site, and avoid learning much about html. I'm still in that
ignorant state so I really appreciate a good WYSIWYG composer.

Reminds me of the guy who said naked bungee jumping is less
humiliating than using Front Page Well, humiliating or not, and
lousy html or not, I couldn't care less as long as the major browsers
render the resuts perfectly, and I can design a decent looking page
in a matter of minutes.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Jim Scott]

"New Announcement Apr 14, 2005:

The fourth pre-release version of Nvu 1.0 Preview Release is now
available for download. To download the installation files for available
platforms visit the download section."

http://www.nvu.com/

Can't wait for the final.

Hi John
I have been using Nvu for some time and find that it sometimes refuses to
Publish. The problem is solved by 'going out' and 'coming back in'. The
same can happen when trying to validate.
Otherwise it's coming along nicely.

 

[null]

I have been using Nvu for some time and find that it sometimes refuses to
Publish. The problem is solved by 'going out' and 'coming back in'. The
same can happen when trying to validate.
Otherwise it's coming along nicely.

That's one problem don't have since I've never used composer
publishing. I use the FTP program that comes with Windows
and a script in a batch file to upload all files (and delete old
unused files off the server). It's really quite easy to do it this
way, and I like having the control and software glitch
independence.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[John Corliss]

Hi John
I have been using Nvu for some time and find that it sometimes refuses to
Publish. The problem is solved by 'going out' and 'coming back in'. The
same can happen when trying to validate.
Otherwise it's coming along nicely.

Jim,
One can only hope that this version will fix that problem. 80)>

I'm still mainly using Mozilla and want to make the switch over to FF
and TB. Main thing holding me back is that I like the (admittedly buggy)
Composer module in Moz and don't want to give it up. Nvu is a very
worthy replacement from what I understand. In fact though, Nvu is on
Composer. From http://www.nvu.com/about.html:
_____________________________
About Nvu
Nvu (pronounced N-view, for a "new view") is an Open Source project
started by Linspire, Inc. Linspire is committed exclusively to bringing
Desktop Linux to the masses, and realized that an easy-to-use web
authoring system was needed for Linux to continue its expansion to the
Desktop. Linspire contributes significant capital, expertise, servers,
bandwidth, marketing, and other resources to guarantee the continuation
and success of the Nvu project.

Linspire is pleased to have been able to contract with Daniel Glazman
from Disruptive Innovations to be the lead developer and maintainer for
the Nvu project. Daniel has been the chief architect for Mozilla
Composer and brings a tremendous amount of experience and expertise to
the Nvu project. Other developers are also encouraged to get involved in
this project.

Nvu was started from the Mozilla Composer code base. The Mozilla
Internet suite is in the process of being broken up into individual
pieces (browser, email, etc.). Nvu will pick up where Composer left off,
adding additional features, functionality and ease of use.
_____________________________

I'm not thrilled about Nvu being sponsored by Linspire. From
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120096,00.asp, the following:

"With version Five-0, Linspire has crafted a Linux operating system that
just about anyone can use--but these days, such a thing really isn't all
that unique. Unfortunately, Linspire Five-0 distinguishes itself only
with its custom applications and its penchant for repeatedly clawing at
your wallet. Better Linux alternatives are out there."

But since they're not charging for Nvu, perhaps that's not an issue and
hopefully won't be in the future.

One last thing - from what I can see the Mozilla website says nothing
about Nvu taking over for Composer. Maybe I missed something?

 

[Jim Scott]

Hi again John
There seems no clear statement that the stand-alones F'fox T'bird Sunbird
and Nvu WILL inherit the earth, but it seems likely.
I use all of these as I never got on with Netscape/Mozilla.
I have no trouble with any of them, except the points in Nvu I mentioned.

Having migrated to Nvu from Frontpage, via Dreamweaver, HTML-Kit and
1stPage, I had a look at Composer along the way and found no real
difference to Nvu. By then having got used to the quirks of Nvu I have
stuck with it (except for css for which I use TopStyle-Lite).

Don't think by any of this that I am anything but a novice at HTML, but Nvu
seems a nice bridge between WYSIWYG and real markup skills which are
sometimes necessary even with Nvu.

 

[null]

Hi again John
There seems no clear statement that the stand-alones F'fox T'bird Sunbird
and Nvu WILL inherit the earth, but it seems likely.

I dumped Mozilla since its Composer was the only reason I had to keep
it. I really like the Firefox, Tbird and Nvu combo.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[John Corliss]

I dumped Mozilla since its Composer was the only reason I had to keep
it. I really like the Firefox, Tbird and Nvu combo.

Jim and Art,
Yep, it's looking more and more like this is what I will be doing
real shortly. Already have Firefox installed and I loved the way it
imported all my settings and the profile in fact from Moz. I also was
real happy that it runs all of my favorite extensions (Prefbar, Tinyurl
Creator, IE View, Nuke Anything.)
Not only that, but the day after I installed FF, they came out with a
new version. I uninstalled the one I'd just installed and tweaked with
extensions, then installed the new one. The upgrade was just that simple
and all the extensions worked perfectly. Granted, sometimes extensions
get disabled (according to the FF site) but it didn't happen to me this
time.

Will be shortly installing Tbird and hope that it does as good a job
of importing my backed up email as FF did with my preferences.

I was kind of surprised to see somebody wanting to make FF look like
Moz. Using the classic skin, about the only difference is the button
images and those differences were very small indeed.

As for the phasing out of the Moz suite, in the
newsgroup (off of the
news.mozilla.org server) Michael Gordon posted a reply in a thread
titled "Mozilla Suite to be discontinued" that said:
____________________________________________
"Mozilla the Suite is not dead like the media thinks, that media spin.

Read the "Head Lizard Wrangler's" blog and she will explain it as
clearly as possible.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/ "
_____________________________________________

I went to the link and looked, but without a specific date for the
applicable blog entry, I couldn't find the reference Michael was
refering to. I posted a reply which requested that info.

As for Nvu, since this is the fourth preview release, 1.0 final should
be out any day.

 

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

I was kind of surprised to see somebody wanting to make FF look like
Moz.

That was me
BTW: Welcome back, John!

regards from

--
Vegard Krog Petersen - Norway

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____________________________________________
"Mozilla the Suite is not dead like the media thinks, that media
spin.

Read the "Head Lizard Wrangler's" blog and she will explain it as
clearly as possible.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/ "
_____________________________________________

I went to the link and looked, but without a specific date for the
applicable blog entry, I couldn't find the reference Michael was
refering to. I posted a reply which requested that info.

"Community Transition Plan for Seamonkey", under RECENT ENTRIES.

 

[John Corliss]

That was me

Ahh..... Well, since you're here, what was it that you found different
enough between the two to notice? (Just curious.)

By the way, did you notice that in Firefox you can drag the location
dropdown up to the menu bar? I've always considered that bar to have way
too much wasted space since I run 1024 X 768 screen resolution.

BTW: Welcome back, John!

Thanks, Vegard! Every once in a while I get what we call where I live,
"a case of ass" and storm out. Usually it's when I start reading the
group before I have my morning cup of coffee and then later I regret the
decision. At least this time I left myself a window to crawl through.
I'm glad most in this group are so forgiving.

 

[John Corliss]

"Community Transition Plan for Seamonkey", under RECENT ENTRIES.

Thanks. Here's a link to the article that Michael was refering to:

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2005/03/community_trans.html

I had forgotten that the codename for the Moz suite is "Seamonkey".

 

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Ahh..... Well, since you're here, what was it that you found different
enough between the two to notice? (Just curious.)

John, the default theme in FireFox is very different from the *Classic*
Netscape / Mozilla theme...
And I'm very conservative in some ways...

regards from vegard

--
Vegard Krog Petersen - Norway

My sites:
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Solitaire MahJongg: http://home.halden.net/vkp/vkp/
Sarah Michelle Gellar Solitaire: http://home.halden.net/vkp/
Freeware Logo & symbol: http://home.no/buffy2/
Chinese Checkers: http://home.no.net/vkp/
Pachisi & Ludo: http://home.no.net/vkp3/
My fishy site (fishing games): http://home.no/vkp32/
a.c.f.g information: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acfg/acfg.php
18+ - Adult Solitaire: http://home.no.net/rachel12/
18+ - Fishy Pictures: http://home.no.net/rachel12/fishy/
Fredrikshald Havfiskeklubb: http://www.fredrikshald-havfiske.no
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[mike ring]

Thanks, Vegard! Every once in a while I get what we call where I live,
"a case of ass" and storm out. At least this time I left myself a window

to crawl through. I'm glad most in this group are so forgiving.What's to forgive; I have a little problem with what I regard as
"inflexibility", but now I know it's an issue I won't knowingly provoke
you.

And you've always been courteous in disagreement, and helpful when you were
able to.

I don't join in these personal things, so I don't post in the arguments but
as a personal note I find your detractors obnoxious, which you aren't

mike

 

[John Corliss]

John, the default theme in FireFox is very different from the *Classic*
Netscape / Mozilla theme...
And I'm very conservative in some ways...

Strange. On my system, I only have one theme currently listed in Firefox
and it's the "Default" one by Gerich and Horlander called"Firefox
(default) 2.0". Thus, I assume that's the one that I'm using currently.
It appears almost identical to the "Classic" theme in my copy of Mozilla
(which I'm currently running.) Maybe something got imported from my
preferences when I installed Firefox.

I'll post an image to abf so you can see what I mean.

 

[John Corliss]

What's to forgive; I have a little problem with what I regard as
"inflexibility", but now I know it's an issue I won't knowingly provoke
you.

And you've always been courteous in disagreement,

Heh. Well, at least I'm glad you think so. There are those to whom I've
been discourteous in the past when they did nothing to provoke it and I
regret that behaviour on my part.

and helpful when you were able to.

I don't join in these personal things, so I don't post in the arguments but
as a personal note I find your detractors obnoxious, which you aren't

Well thanks, Mike. I really do appreciate that. 80)>

 

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Strange. On my system, I only have one theme currently listed in Firefox
and it's the "Default" one by Gerich and Horlander called"Firefox
(default) 2.0". Thus, I assume that's the one that I'm using currently.
It appears almost identical to the "Classic" theme in my copy of Mozilla
(which I'm currently running.) Maybe something got imported from my
preferences when I installed Firefox.

I'll post an image to abf so you can see what I mean.

Strange. I'll probably not see the images in abf (my isp is not good at
binaries newsgroups). But I'll post these images there for you:

default_firefox.gif, classic_mozilla.gif, firefox_perennial.gif

regards from vegard


--
Vegard Krog Petersen - Norway

My sites:
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Solitaire MahJongg: http://home.halden.net/vkp/vkp/
Sarah Michelle Gellar Solitaire: http://home.halden.net/vkp/
Freeware Logo & symbol: http://home.no/buffy2/
Chinese Checkers: http://home.no.net/vkp/
Pachisi & Ludo: http://home.no.net/vkp3/
My fishy site (fishing games): http://home.no/vkp32/
a.c.f.g information: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acfg/acfg.php
18+ - Adult Solitaire: http://home.no.net/rachel12/
18+ - Fishy Pictures: http://home.no.net/rachel12/fishy/
Fredrikshald Havfiskeklubb: http://www.fredrikshald-havfiske.no
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[null]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:11:05 -0700, John Corliss

Thanks, Vegard! Every once in a while I get what we call where I live,
"a case of ass" and storm out. Usually it's when I start reading the
group before I have my morning cup of coffee and then later I regret the
decision. At least this time I left myself a window to crawl through.
I'm glad most in this group are so forgiving.

I know the feeling. My home base since 1999 has been the virus
newsgroups. Things often get really rough and abusive there. While
I've never gone "storming out", I have in the past let fly with the
four letter words. Patience has never been one of my virtues. Then
I beat up on myself for allowing my frustrations to get the better of
me.

On this ng I skim, and only try a freeware sometimes that interests
me. It's nice to just be a "lurker" and rare participant ... and
completely ignore the ng politics and bickering.

The virus newsgroups have completely disintegrated over the past few
years. The "old guard" of regulars are mostly gone. The lack of
"enforced" discipline and structure, as it were, at least cuts out
most politics and bickering. As long as there are a small handful
of knowledgeable "lurking regulars" to offer good advice, a ng
is worthwhile, IMO.

Is the phrase "lurking regular" a contradiction in terms? Pick better
terminology if you think so, but I have in mind those wonderful people
who have no interest whatsoever in controlling what other people post,
or how they post, and who only post when they know they're going to be
helpful to those with less experience and knowledge.

It's easy for me to now do that on the virus newgroups since I only
have experience with Win 9X/ME. Most posters getting nailed with
malware now are XP users. I made up my mind to never respond again
to such users. And to spend very little time on newsgroups. Time to
"getta life" and do other things

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

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Thanks. Here's a link to the article that Michael was refering to:

Sure. And I didn't mean to be shouting -- Mitchell's page itself
has the link in all caps.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2005/03/community_trans.html

I had forgotten that the codename for the Moz suite is
"Seamonkey".

They've decided on a new name for the product, but aren't announcing
it until they have secured the trademark. SeaMonkey will probably
still be the codename, but the new name will be on the released
versions.

<http://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Name_And_Version>

 

[John Corliss]

Strange. I'll probably not see the images in abf (my isp is not good at
binaries newsgroups). But I'll post these images there for you:

default_firefox.gif, classic_mozilla.gif, firefox_perennial.gif

Thanks for doing this Vegard. Your image shows that Firefox on your
system even more closely resembles Mozilla than the two do on my system.
I have Firefox toolbars configured to use small icons, but even when I
turn that off the two programs have different icons on their buttons. I
wonder why this is, but oh well. Guess I can live with it. 80)>

I know what you mean about not wanting to change to another interface
though.