New KB Article: How to ask a question

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I downloaded it in the expectation that it would be pulled, in case anyone
who cared that much wanted it. Personally I'm more concerned with my own
posts that get disappeared, so I don't see posting this particular article
as much of a blow against censorship.


Shane
 
Shane said:
I downloaded it in the expectation that it would be pulled, in case
anyone who cared that much wanted it. Personally I'm more concerned
with my own posts that get disappeared, so I don't see posting this
particular article as much of a blow against censorship.

Could you send it to:

(e-mail address removed)

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kurttrail said:
And *IF* is comes back, and that is a big *IF*, it will have been
censored.

Both "RTFM" and "Google" will have been magically disapeared.

It's BA-CK!

"*RTFM*" has been totally eliminated. The line "*Google* is your best
friend" has been purged, though it is mentioned twice as a search
engine.

"Use online search engines such as MSN Search, *Google*, Yahoo! or other
search engines."

"Do not make us ask your clarification questions, and do not make us
point you back to the manual or readme file, or ask you to search the
web by using search engines such as *Google*, MSN Search or Yahoo!."

There is a mention that the KB was "Last Review"-ed yesterday, but the
scum didn't change the "Revision" number. It is still 1.0!

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How to ask a question?

(or - How do I ask a question on a professional forum/newsgroup without getting flamed?)

How many times did you post a question on a technical newsgroup or forum, waited quite a lot of time for an answer, and the only thing you got was either a long silence, or this type of answer:

"Your question does not contain all the required information needed for us to help you. Please re-write your question, this time make sure you have all the needed info and we'll try to help."

If you've seen such answers before (not to mention plain simple RTFMs) then it's highly likely that you'll benefit from reading this article.

When posting a question to a professional forum or newsgroup it is vital to format the question and it's content in a proper way. Doing so will greatly increase the possibility for quickly receiving a good answer, and thus saving you time and frustration. Failing to do so will cause your question to be ignored by the forum's readers and thus wasting your time and delaying the solution to the original problem. In the worst case scenario your badly-written question might cause other readers to flame you or even ban you from that forum or newsgroup. After posting a question to a professional forum or newsgroup and waiting for a while, you get the following answer(s) from the active forum/newsgroup members: members:



"Your question does not contain all the required information needed for us to help you.

Please re-write your question, this time make sure you have all the needed info and

we'll try to help."



Another symptom of this error is getting the following answer: answer:



"You question has been answered a zillionhundred times. Please use a decent search engine

and/or search our archives before posting any future questions:

questions"



or

"RTFM"

"STFW"

"Google is your best friend" and others.

and others.

Other variations of the same answer exist, all depending on the forum/newsgroup quality and tolerance level. level.



In some severe cases, when trying to reply to this answer yourself, you may find out that the nickname you've been using to post on the forum, or that the alias you've been using to read and post on the newsgroup has been banned for any future use.

Many people do not know how to properly format a technical question and what information should be given when posting it on the web. This article will try to give you some guidelines to follow. These guidelines might not be suitable for all types of questions, as more specific information might be needed in order to solve your specific problem, but even so, they should be used as a kind of recommendation and rough bullets you should follow.

As one great article nicely put it: "If you decide to come to us for help, you don't want to be one of the losers. You don't want to seem like one, either. The best way to get a rapid and responsive answer is to ask it like a person with smarts, confidence, and clues who just happens to need help on one particular problem.

This article is a loose how-to guide for correct forum and newsgroup question-asking and general netiquette.

CAUSE

In most cases, getting such an answer (also called "Flame") indicates that you have not taken the right steps in formulating your question. In other instances, this type of answer might indicate that the information you saw fit to provide in your original question is either too little, too late, or totally missing or irrelevant to the question.

RESOLUTION

Use the following guidelines when posting questions to a professional forum or newsgroup:

newsgroup:



Before asking



*- Search the archives/FAQ before you post. Most forums and newsgroups have some sort of online FAQ (FAQ stands for Frequently Asked Questions) or archives. You should always perform a search on these resources before asking your "very important and unique" question. Many questions have already been answered, there is no point in answering them again, and some communities have members who will flame you for not doing so before asking. Another good idea is to do a keyword search for words relating to your question on the archives before you post.



*- Use online search engines such as MSN Search, Google (which, by now, you should know is your friend), Yahoo! and others.Google, Yahoo! or other search engines. Post the error message you're getting on your preferred search engine and see what you come up with. Let us know what you found, especially if your problem is identical or similar to your findings.

findings.



*- Look for an answer in the manual (or RTFM for short), documentation or Readme file.

readme file and tell us about it.



*- Ask a skilled friend, but don't take their advice for granted. Many troubleshooting scenarios just got worse because "my friend told me to erase the E00.log file and"...

and"...



The title of your question



Although it might seem silly for some, selecting a good title for the question/thread will be the one of the main driving forces for others to want to actually read your item. Choosing a badly-formatted title will drive people away, thinking that since the title is so badly written, so must be the information and the question within the thread. For example: example:



"PLEASE HELP, I NEED HELP N O W !!!"



is an example for a really bad selection of a title for your question. People don't like to waste time trying to help people that don't seem to be able to help themselves, or at least not being able to correctly describe their problem. Titles like these are likely to be filtered by reflex. reflex.



On the other hand. a short, informative title like this one: one:



"After swing server restore - MBX store won't mount on Exchange 2003 - error C1041737"



will actually bring people in. Skilled members can tell, at a glance, what problem you're having, on what product version, and perhaps even the reason for your problem. The ones that know the answer will gladly try to help, and those that do not know will gladly enter because they would like to find what the answer is for their own benefit.

benefit.



The question



Know how to ask the question, and provide all the necessary information in your initial post. For example, a question like: like:



"Please help me, I cannot mount exchange mailbox store!!! I must repair this ASAP,

will someone help me?"



will also receive the same sort of answers that this article tries to teach you how to avoid, or no answers at all. And if someone did want to try to answer, they'd need to ask for more information, which in turn will cause you to come back and explain yourself, thus lengthening the answering process. process.



Good examples of questions will include information from most of the following categories: categories:



- What are you trying to do?

- Why are you trying to do it?

- What did you try already, why, and what was the result of your actions?

- What was the exact error message that you received?

- How long have you been experiencing this problem?

- Have you searched the relevant forum/newsgroup archives?

- Have you searched for any tools or KB articles or any other resources?

- Have you recently installed or uninstalled any software or hardware?

- What changes were made to the system between the time everything last worked and when you noticed the problem? problem?



Don't let us assume, tell us right at the beginning. beginning.



Some technical information we need to have (naturally, hardware or network-specific questions need their topic-specific information): information):



- What Operating System and Service Pack level are you using?

- What Exchange version and Service Pack level are you using?

- Tell us about your Active Directory domain environment, or if on a SOHO network, then information about your workgroup settings.

- Tell us about your name resolution topology (DNS, WINS etc.)

- If applicable, what does the LAN/WAN topology look like? Include TCP/IP-relevant information.

- Migration scenarios - add in your exact details.

- What does the Event Log say?

- Do you have current backups? Why not?

- What does the backup log say?

- Are you using Anti-Virus or Anti-Spyware/Adware tool?

- Have you checked for virus infection?

- Is there a Firewall on the host or on the network?

- Do you have sufficient free disk space? Check again.

- Any other information you think we might need in order to help you.

you.



- Do not make us ask your clarification questions, and do not make us point you back to the manual or readme file, or ask you to search the web by using search engines such as Google, MSN Search or Yahoo!. The more relevant info you provide, the more likely it is that your problem can be resolved quickly. Help us help you. If you chose not to provide us with the relevant information you're just making it more difficult for us to provide you with good answers in a timely fashion. If you don't care enough about your own problem, it will be much harder for us to care enough about it to help you. Don't be surprised if people are less enthusiastic about helping you under such conditions.

conditions.



- Tell what you have done prior to asking your question. This will help us understand that you've done so far. Add information about the steps you took so far towards what you think might be the solution to your problem, related KB articles you found, relevant search results you found when searching the web and any other information you've gathered from various sources. Most active forum/newsgroups members like to help those who they think are doing a better job in trying to help themselves. They tend to ignore or give laconic answers to those who, in their opinion, are not doing their own research, and seem to be to lazy to do the work themselves.

themselves.



- Write in a clear language, avoiding spelling mistakes or grammatical errors. Don't type IN ALL CAPS, which in most cases is read as shouting and considered rude. Try to express yourself in a clear language, and by all means - do try to use punctuation marks in the right place.

place.



Follow-up



Follow up with a brief note on the solution. If one of the answers helped you, we would all like to know which one it was, and what you did to finally solve your problem. This isall what an online community is all about - sharing information . Sharing information is not just by taking information from us, but also by sharing your success and failure stories, and by helping others who might read your post in the future understand what was the outcome of the thread. Consider how you might be able to prevent others from having the same problem in the future. future.



Also, saying "Thank you" and letting people understand that you care about their time and effort is a good way of getting noticed. SayingHowever, saying "Thank you in advance" is not, and most people feel bad about it because they read it as "I have a very urgent question I want you to help me with, but I don't really have the time to come back and personally thank you, because it's MY time I care about, not yours"...



hi
 
David said:
I sent you a censored post of mine.

Got it. I think it is MB's time of the month. Earlier this week I had
a few post "disappeared" from the server.

And the KB is down again. Probably changing the revision #. ;-)

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Shane said:
I was wondering when posts soliciting hjt logs would be pulled.

Please! The day there is any consistency about what OT BS gets pulled
around here is the day the Chinese buy MS.

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kurttrail said:
Please! The day there is any consistency about what OT BS gets pulled
around here is the day the Chinese buy MS.

As opposed to MG Rover <sigh>

As for pcbuttream, I actually thought he'd stopped. But I see the little
c*nt's still at it.


Shane
 
Hypocrite
Shane said:
I downloaded it in the expectation that it would be pulled, in case anyone
who cared that much wanted it. Personally I'm more concerned with my own
posts that get disappeared, so I don't see posting this particular article
as much of a blow against censorship.


Shane
 
Shane said:
I downloaded it in the expectation that it would be pulled, in case
anyone who cared that much wanted it. Personally I'm more concerned
with my own posts that get disappeared, so I don't see posting this
particular article as much of a blow against censorship.

He is not soliciting off-topic posts to be sent to this group, but
pcButthead is.

But MS doesn't need to do anything with his posts, since his name is mud
here now.

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Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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kurttrail said:
He is not soliciting off-topic posts to be sent to this group, but
pcButthead is.

But MS doesn't need to do anything with his posts, since his name is
mud here now.

Oops, I meant to reply to Jim.

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Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 

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