Networking dummy needs help

[Carol Levie]

Just added a new G5 (OS 10.2.8) to my little network (Mac G4 [OS 9.1],
Win2KPro). The Macs see each other and I can mount their hard disks. But the
Win2K and the G5 cannot see each other. The pc and the G4 have been
communicating smoothly for years.

I've tried adding the G5 to the network places on the pc, but keep getting
"server not found" errors. The G5 is set to allow Windows file sharing and
the workgroup is set up the same way as it is on the G4.

Where do I go from here?

Thanks,

Carol

 

[William M. Smith]

Just added a new G5 (OS 10.2.8) to my little network (Mac G4 [OS 9.1],
Win2KPro). The Macs see each other and I can mount their hard disks. But the
Win2K and the G5 cannot see each other. The pc and the G4 have been
communicating smoothly for years.

I've tried adding the G5 to the network places on the pc, but keep getting
"server not found" errors. The G5 is set to allow Windows file sharing and
the workgroup is set up the same way as it is on the G4.

Hi Carol!

If your W2K Pro and Mac OS 9 machines have been communicating with each
other, you must have installed some third party software such as Dave from
http://www.thursby.com to allow this. Natively, these two machines have
nothing in common to do any file sharing services other than simple web
sharing.

What are you using from your W2K machine when you try adding the G5 in your
Network Places? Is it something like "\\g5name" or "\\g5name\homefoldername"
or "\\g5name\sharedfoldername"?

With your G5, you can use it's built-in SMB to talk to Windows machines. You
sound like you've got your setups right already. Have you checked TCP/IP
settings? All of your machines should be on the same subnet. That means
they'll all have an address like 192.168.0.xxx where xxx is a different
number for each machine. The first three parts of the address can be almost
anything, but must be the same for all machines. For your network, I suggest
using 192.168.0.xxx since it is a range of addresses that will not route
over the Internet. 10.xxx.xxx.xxx is another range that will not route.

From your Windows machine, you should be able to open My Network Place and
then open Entire Network to browse your network and see your G5.

Hope this helps! bill

 

[Carol Levie]

Just added a new G5 (OS 10.2.8) to my little network (Mac G4 [OS 9.1],
Win2KPro). The Macs see each other and I can mount their hard disks. But the
Win2K and the G5 cannot see each other. The pc and the G4 have been
communicating smoothly for years.

I've tried adding the G5 to the network places on the pc, but keep getting
"server not found" errors. The G5 is set to allow Windows file sharing and
the workgroup is set up the same way as it is on the G4.

Hi Carol!

If your W2K Pro and Mac OS 9 machines have been communicating with each
other, you must have installed some third party software such as Dave from
http://www.thursby.com to allow this. Natively, these two machines have
nothing in common to do any file sharing services other than simple web
sharing.

Yup, I have.

What are you using from your W2K machine when you try adding the G5 in your
Network Places? Is it something like "\\g5name" or "\\g5name\homefoldername"
or "\\g5name\sharedfoldername"?

I've tried a variety of things, all starting with "\\G5name". I've added
".local" and "@Isolated AppleTalk Network" (similar to what is entered for
the G4 and my two Maxtor backup drives. Nothing seems to work.

With your G5, you can use it's built-in SMB to talk to Windows machines. You
sound like you've got your setups right already. Have you checked TCP/IP
settings? All of your machines should be on the same subnet. That means
they'll all have an address like 192.168.0.xxx where xxx is a different
number for each machine. The first three parts of the address can be almost
anything, but must be the same for all machines. For your network, I suggest
using 192.168.0.xxx since it is a range of addresses that will not route
over the Internet.

The different machines all have an address that starts with 192.168.1.1xx
(all different). I guess those addresses were assigned by the router? I
really do not understand this stuff. I have tried entering the G5's assigned
IP address on the pc, but that didn't work either.

From your Windows machine, you should be able to open My Network Place and
then open Entire Network to browse your network and see your G5.

But I can't! I must be doing something wrong!

Carol

 

[William M. Smith]

Just added a new G5 (OS 10.2.8) to my little network (Mac G4 [OS 9.1],
Win2KPro). The Macs see each other and I can mount their hard disks. But the
Win2K and the G5 cannot see each other. The pc and the G4 have been
communicating smoothly for years.

I've tried adding the G5 to the network places on the pc, but keep getting
"server not found" errors. The G5 is set to allow Windows file sharing and
the workgroup is set up the same way as it is on the G4.

Hi Carol!

If your W2K Pro and Mac OS 9 machines have been communicating with each
other, you must have installed some third party software such as Dave from
http://www.thursby.com to allow this. Natively, these two machines have
nothing in common to do any file sharing services other than simple web
sharing.

Yup, I have.

What are you using from your W2K machine when you try adding the G5 in your
Network Places? Is it something like "\\g5name" or "\\g5name\homefoldername"
or "\\g5name\sharedfoldername"?

I've tried a variety of things, all starting with "\\G5name". I've added
".local" and "@Isolated AppleTalk Network" (similar to what is entered for
the G4 and my two Maxtor backup drives. Nothing seems to work.

With your G5, you can use it's built-in SMB to talk to Windows machines. You
sound like you've got your setups right already. Have you checked TCP/IP
settings? All of your machines should be on the same subnet. That means
they'll all have an address like 192.168.0.xxx where xxx is a different
number for each machine. The first three parts of the address can be almost
anything, but must be the same for all machines. For your network, I suggest
using 192.168.0.xxx since it is a range of addresses that will not route
over the Internet.

The different machines all have an address that starts with 192.168.1.1xx
(all different). I guess those addresses were assigned by the router? I
really do not understand this stuff. I have tried entering the G5's assigned
IP address on the pc, but that didn't work either.

From your Windows machine, you should be able to open My Network Place and
then open Entire Network to browse your network and see your G5.

But I can't! I must be doing something wrong!

Carol

Hi Carol!

Let's try some basic connectivity stuff.

First, make sure you know the IP addresses of each machine.

On your Windows machine, go to Start --> Run and type in "cmd" without the
quotes. This will open a command prompt window.

Next, use the ping command to ping each machine. You'll enter a line like
"ping 192.168.0.100" and then "enter" or "return". You should get replies
from each machine.

If this works, then your networking is OK and we'll need to troubleshoot the
file sharing. If you can ping each machine, you should be able to connect
via IP address.

Again, go to Start --> Run on your Windows machine and enter
"\\192.168.0.100" or the IP address of your Mac. If this doesn't work, then
verify that you do indeed have your G5's file sharing turned on.

Hope this helps! bill

 

[Carol Levie]

Hi Carol!

Again, go to Start --> Run on your Windows machine and enter
"\\192.168.0.100" or the IP address of your Mac. If this doesn't work, then
verify that you do indeed have your G5's file sharing turned on.

Hi Bill,

I've pinged the machines from both directions; they are communicating just
fine. So I guess I have something else set up incorrectly. I don't know my
way around OS X that well, so I'm not sure where to begin.

Thanks,

Carol

 

[William M. Smith]

Hi Bill,

I've pinged the machines from both directions; they are communicating just
fine. So I guess I have something else set up incorrectly. I don't know my
way around OS X that well, so I'm not sure where to begin.

Hi Carol!

Have a look at this page on Apple's website
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=19652

At the bottom are links to various articles for various scenarios.

From your G5, are you able to use Go --> Connect from the Finder and browse
around to see your Windows machine? You can also try entering the string
"smb://192.168.0.xxx" where xxx is your G5's IP. Can you connect this way?

bill

 

[Carol Levie]

Hi again, Bill,

This is about the closest I can get:

When I type "smb://[email protected]/C$" (C$ is the pc's share name),
I get as far as the G5 asking me for the password. I type the PW, and then
get a -36 error. I get the same error if I type "smb://192.168.1.1xx" (with
or without the C$). I've tried various combinations of user names,
workgroups, and so on. Same error.

I also cannot get the PC to recognize the G5 (can't find the network path).
Though I would prefer the machines to recognize each other, I would be
satisfied if I could get it to work in just one direction.

I've read through the articles on Apple's site but can't figure out what it
is I'm missing!

Frustrating!

Carol

 

[Carol Levie]

Well, I give up. I've read all the kb articles on Microsoft's and Apple's
site, read the networking section of "OS X, The Missing Manual" and spent a
couple of hours talking to techies at one of our local computer stores. All
to no avail. According to all of the above, everything is set up correctly.
Yet, it doesn't work.

So, I have made an appointment to have one of the Apple-certified techs come
here later this week to troubleshoot my little network. Expensive, but it
will be worth it, especially in terms of my frustration level. I outlined my
problems to him in order to make sure he understood that this was a
cross-platform networking issue (I also have some other, non-cross-platform
issues with my Mac setup, which is why I decided to go with a Mac tech). No
problem.

Now, if I can only figure out why I can't get my Windows Update to work! But
that's a subject for another group.

Thanks for your help, Bill. If he gets this to work and can explain it to me
in a "networking for dummies" manner, I will pass along the solution in case
it will be helpful to someone else.

Best,

Carol

 

[William M. Smith]

Well, I give up. I've read all the kb articles on Microsoft's and Apple's
site, read the networking section of "OS X, The Missing Manual" and spent a
couple of hours talking to techies at one of our local computer stores. All
to no avail. According to all of the above, everything is set up correctly.
Yet, it doesn't work.

So, I have made an appointment to have one of the Apple-certified techs come
here later this week to troubleshoot my little network. Expensive, but it
will be worth it, especially in terms of my frustration level. I outlined my
problems to him in order to make sure he understood that this was a
cross-platform networking issue (I also have some other, non-cross-platform
issues with my Mac setup, which is why I decided to go with a Mac tech). No
problem.

Now, if I can only figure out why I can't get my Windows Update to work! But
that's a subject for another group.

Thanks for your help, Bill. If he gets this to work and can explain it to me
in a "networking for dummies" manner, I will pass along the solution in case
it will be helpful to someone else.

Hi Carol!

Sorry to hear nothing's working for you.

One last thought. Do you have any firewalls enabled on your computers or on
your network?

bill

 

[Carol Levie]

Hi Carol!

Sorry to hear nothing's working for you.

One last thought. Do you have any firewalls enabled on your computers or on
your network?

bill

Hi Bill,

The firewall is off in the sharing preferences on the G5. I just use the
built-in firewall on my router.

Oh well...

Carol

 

[Kim Stahnke]

Hi Carol,
Just read your interesting adventure. I had a thought: the C$ sharename that
you mention is as far as I know just the 'default' Windows share which win
uses internally. You need to create another sharename, like 'C-disk'
(Right-click the disk, select Sharing, New Share). I realize that you
already have the OS9 working, but that was via DAVE and hence probably
another story.
--Kim

 

[Kim Stahnke]

- And you CANT use a Hyphen in your sharename, I just learned.

uses internally. You need to create another sharename, like 'C-disk'

-- Kim