Network printer wants password even with passwords turned off?!?!?

[ratman and bobbin]

2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer sharing
are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password prompt
appears? WTF?

Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always always
wants user/password. Did I miss something?

Geoff

 

[Paul Montgumdrop]

2 machines, both Vista Home Premium. Passwords for file and printer
sharing are turned off but when attempting to connect a user/password
prompt appears? WTF?

Have tried turning it on, reboot, turn off, reboot but always always
always wants user/password. Did I miss something?

Geoff

The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the
same user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.

 

[ratman and bobbin]

The fact that you're accessing another machine on a LAN is going to
require that a user-id and psw word must be given to access the other
machine. If you don't want to give the user-id and psw, then use the same
user-id and psw on both machines, and you won't be prompted.

Paul
I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access turned
off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is stumping me
Geoff

 

[Paul Montgumdrop]

Paul
I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
stumping me
Geoff

The machines are on a LAN and NTFS is in play here on both machines. I
don't know what this psw thing is for the print and file sharing on
Vista. My machine is not in a networking situation nor is the machine
hosting a printer on the LAN. But I have done similar things with other
NT based O/S(s) machines with NTFS in a LAN situation.

However, if NTFS is in play here, which it is, then NTFS is not going to
allow a machine on the LAN to access another machine's resources without
the NTFS challenge/response of user-id/psw given to access the machine's
resources.

Maybe, you're misinterpreting what is really happening here and
who/what/why the challenge is happening, because NTFS is issuing the
challenge.

Maybe this link will help you, because I don't think you're coming
around that NTFS challenge.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx#EFAA

 

[ratman and bobbin]

The machines are on a LAN and NTFS is in play here on both machines. I
don't know what this psw thing is for the print and file sharing on Vista.
My machine is not in a networking situation nor is the machine hosting a
printer on the LAN. But I have done similar things with other NT based
O/S(s) machines with NTFS in a LAN situation.

However, if NTFS is in play here, which it is, then NTFS is not going to
allow a machine on the LAN to access another machine's resources without
the NTFS challenge/response of user-id/psw given to access the machine's
resources.

Maybe, you're misinterpreting what is really happening here and
who/what/why the challenge is happening, because NTFS is issuing the
challenge.

Maybe this link will help you, because I don't think you're coming around
that NTFS challenge.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx#EFAA

This from the article
quote
If you are using a computer connected to a workgroup, click the arrow button
next to Password protected sharing to expand this section, and then check to
see if password-protected sharing is turned on or off. If it is turned on,
only people with a user account and password for this computer will be able
to access your printer. Turn this off if you want anyone on the network to
be able to access the printer you are sharing. To change this setting,
select the option you prefer, and then click Apply. If you are prompted for
an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide
confirmation.
unquote

I have turned the password protected sharing off so do not expect it to
demand a user/password
Geoff

 

[Paul Montgumdrop]

This from the article
quote
If you are using a computer connected to a workgroup, click the arrow
button next to Password protected sharing to expand this section, and
then check to see if password-protected sharing is turned on or off. If
it is turned on, only people with a user account and password for this
computer will be able to access your printer. Turn this off if you want
anyone on the network to be able to access the printer you are sharing.
To change this setting, select the option you prefer, and then click
Apply. If you are prompted for an administrator password or
confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
unquote

I have turned the password protected sharing off so do not expect it to
demand a user/password
Geoff

I disagree with your assessment. And that is obviously not the case,
because you would not be getting the challenge from NTFS, which is where
that challenge is coming from. NTFS doesn't know that *Everyone* is to
have access to that printer, therefore, it's blocking the access, and
NTFS is challenging the remote user to give user-id and psw on the host
computer to gain access.

You're not coming around it unless you indicate to NTFS that the
*Everyone* group account has rights to access the printer on the host
computer so that NTFS doesn't challenge or you start creating individual
accounts on the host machine so that remote users can use the remote
printer because NTFS is going to challenge or use the same user-id and
psw on all NT based O/S machine using NTFS to gain access to the host
computer so that NTFS will not issue the challenge.

NTFS is NTFS and NTFS is in charge, and you seem to be ignoring NTFS.

You need to recognize who is doing what

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Paul
I understand that this is a way to do it but I have password access
turned off so it should just allow the connection - which is what is
stumping me
Geoff

You have to use the same username and *non-blank* password on each machine.


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Bruce Chambers

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[ratman and bobbin]

Issue resolved. Problem was caused by same id but different passwords on
each machine. TBH I hadnt realised there were identical Id's.

As this is a home network then password checking has been disabled. Simply
removing the id from one machine and re-creating a different user allows
non-passworded printer sharing.

Appreciate those of you who took the time to help!

Geoff

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

You have to use the same username and *non-blank* password on each
machine.

You do not have to use the same usernames. What gives you that idea? Just
imagine the mess on a large workgroup if that was true.

ss.

 

[Paul Montgumdrop]

Issue resolved. Problem was caused by same id but different passwords on
each machine. TBH I hadnt realised there were identical Id's.

As this is a home network then password checking has been disabled.
Simply removing the id from one machine and re-creating a different user
allows
non-passworded printer sharing.

Appreciate those of you who took the time to help!

You had a NTFS issue is the bottom line.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

You do not have to use the same usernames. What gives you that idea?

Many years of first-hand experience. For anyone to access a shared
resources in a workgroup, there must be a local account on the host
machine - with the necessary access permissions, of course - that
matches (username & password) the account used to access it from the
client machine. Now if someone wants to type in a different (from that
used when he/she logged onto the client machine) username/password each
time he/she wants to access the share, it could be done the way you say.
It'd just be terribly inconvenient and inefficient.

Just
imagine the mess on a large workgroup if that was true.

"Large workgroup" is an oxymoron. Because Windows machines permit no
more than 10 simultaneous network connections, and because network
performance starts to suffer with more that 12 to 15 nodes in a
peer-to-peer configuration, no one with any experience would contemplate
a "large workgroup."


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Donald McDaniel]

Many years of first-hand experience. For anyone to access a
shared resources in a workgroup, there must be a local account on the
host machine - with the necessary access permissions, of course - that
matches (username & password) the account used to access it from the
client machine. Now if someone wants to type in a different (from
that used when he/she logged onto the client machine)
username/password each time he/she wants to access the share, it could
be done the way you say. It'd just be terribly inconvenient and
inefficient.




"Large workgroup" is an oxymoron. Because Windows machines permit
no more than 10 simultaneous network connections, and because network
performance starts to suffer with more that 12 to 15 nodes in a
peer-to-peer configuration, no one with any experience would
contemplate a "large workgroup."

So, what does turning off Passwords on Sharing in Network settings do, then?
Ive got Passworded-sharing turned off and printer sharing turned on,
with no password, and my brother, on an Apple network, is able to access
my printer without a password. Nor does he use a user name to access my
printer.

Inquiring minds want to know!

Donald L McDaniel

 

[Bruce Chambers]

So, what does turning off Passwords on Sharing in Network settings do,
then?

Besides utterly compromising your security, you mean?

Ive got Passworded-sharing turned off and printer sharing turned on,
with no password, and my brother, on an Apple network, is able to access
my printer without a password. Nor does he use a user name to access my
printer.

Inquiring minds want to know!

However, you've made your point; I wasn't aware of this ability in
Vista, and stand corrected. Of course, I've no idea why such a
"feature" would be included in an OS that is advertised as being more
secure than its predecessors.

Thanks for pointing out this major vulnerability; I now know to ensure
this gateway will be closed on any Vista Computers I place on any
networks I manage.


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot