need RAM recommendation - please help

A

Adam

Paul said:
I don't know what your objectives are for the build.

The chipsets differ in the PCI Express configuration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_900_chipset_series

"990FX

* PCI Express 2.0 (2x16 or 4x8 configurations)
* Support for up to 4 graphics cards
* 19.6 Watt TDP
* Southbridge: SB950

990X

* PCI Express 2.0 (1x16 or 2x8 configurations)
* Support for up to 2 graphics cards
* 14 Watt TDP
* Southbridge: SB950"

Some of the peripheral chips might be a deciding factor
(like if the external USB3 chips selected weren't the best).

But it's possible they might be equal in terms of running
a given processor at stock speeds.

But you'll have to fill me in on what your expectations are.

If you needed lots of PCI Express bandwidth, then the 990FX
is probably a good way to get it. You pay for it, with
a little bit extra Northbridge power usage.

The motherboard reputations aren't markedly different.
I think the most expensive board got a few more low
ratings, because when an expensive board fails expectations,
people usually judge it harshly. When I bought a $65 motherboard,
nobody really hated that one, because, well, it was only
$65, and what do you expect for $65. And that board
still works :)

Paul


Thanks (Guru Paul), so far, here is the components list ...

- ASUS M5A99X Evo - AM3+ - 990X - ATX DDR3 2133 Motherboards [under
consideration]
- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
[under consideration]
- AMD Phenom II X4 [under consideration; will run processor at stock
speeds]
- Sapphire 100315L Radeon HD 6850 Video Card [already own; will be single
video card system]
- OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply [already
own]
- Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case [already own]

Objective is getting the best bang for the buck.
 
L

larry moe 'n curly

Bill said:
Any cites for that particular statistic?

Just my own records and rememberances since about 2000 of PC133 and
newer type modules from Kingston, Mushkin, K-byte, PNY/CompUSA,
Corsair, Centon, OCZ, Patriot, Spectek, Crucial (incl. whole modules
by Samsung), and some no-name modules (usually had brand name chips on
them). I did not try any Crucial Ballistix. Testing was done
overnight at motherboard defaults or SPD speeds with MemTest86 and
Gold Memory, usually at about 50C and usually with more than one type
of motherboard (memory considered bad if it failed in any
motherboard). The 58C testing temp was for Corsair, from an article
about a factory tour. 85C is the lowest maximum listed by any chip
maker I know of for their DDR2 and DDR3.
 
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Paul

Adam said:
Paul said:
I don't know what your objectives are for the build.

The chipsets differ in the PCI Express configuration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_900_chipset_series

"990FX

* PCI Express 2.0 (2x16 or 4x8 configurations)
* Support for up to 4 graphics cards
* 19.6 Watt TDP
* Southbridge: SB950

990X

* PCI Express 2.0 (1x16 or 2x8 configurations)
* Support for up to 2 graphics cards
* 14 Watt TDP
* Southbridge: SB950"

Some of the peripheral chips might be a deciding factor
(like if the external USB3 chips selected weren't the best).

But it's possible they might be equal in terms of running
a given processor at stock speeds.

But you'll have to fill me in on what your expectations are.

If you needed lots of PCI Express bandwidth, then the 990FX
is probably a good way to get it. You pay for it, with
a little bit extra Northbridge power usage.

The motherboard reputations aren't markedly different.
I think the most expensive board got a few more low
ratings, because when an expensive board fails expectations,
people usually judge it harshly. When I bought a $65 motherboard,
nobody really hated that one, because, well, it was only
$65, and what do you expect for $65. And that board
still works :)

Paul


Thanks (Guru Paul), so far, here is the components list ...

- ASUS M5A99X Evo - AM3+ - 990X - ATX DDR3 2133 Motherboards [under
consideration]
- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
[under consideration]
- AMD Phenom II X4 [under consideration; will run processor at stock
speeds]
- Sapphire 100315L Radeon HD 6850 Video Card [already own; will be single
video card system]
- OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply [already
own]
- Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case [already own]

Objective is getting the best bang for the buck.

The only USB3 I know of, with a few problems, is Etron brand.

http://forums.tweaktown.com/asrock/44094-usb-3-0-problem.html

The M5A99X uses an Asmedia USB3 chip (a company which as far
as I know, is a subsidiary of Asus).

M5A99X EVO:

990X (1x16 or 2x8 video config)
SB950 (6 SATA III, No USB3)
(2) JMB362 (2 SATA II each)
RealTek 8111E (Ethernet NIC)
RealTek ALC892 (As long as you get at least stereo sound, you win...)
(2) AsMedia USB3 (four ports total, two ports full bandwidth)
VIA 6308P Firewire (Best were TI brand, or Lucent/Agere/LSI)

Of your PCI Express slots, install the video card in the top
slot, leave the second video card slot blank (to preserve the x16
interface rate), then you can use the x4 black slot for things
like a RAID card perhaps.

So the only shortcoming, is whether you consider the
video card slot running at x8 to be a problem or not.
x8 at PCI Express Rev2.0 rates, is 4GB/sec (8 lanes
times 500MB/sec transfer rate).

Check the reviews, see if the board has problems at higher
memory clock speeds, and perhaps you have a winner. That
board is certainly cheaper than the others. And the chipset
will run cooler.

With regard to the RAM, and how I'd run it, I'd buy the 4x4GB
kit (because DDR3 is cheap, but the price will rise as one
of the memory companies just got bought out). I'd operate
the motherboard with just two sticks (8GB). Then keep the
other two sticks as spares. Leaving two slots blank, improves
cooling around the memory slots. If you have a problem with
the 8GB, you just swap in the other pair. No downtime.

I bought a set of 8 DIMMs once, and three have failed.
Leaving me with five good ones :)

The last RAM I bought, with zero failures, was in the
FPM/EDO era. Where it used to cost $600 to fill the computer
with RAM. RAM just doesn't hold up any more.

Paul
 
A

Adam

Paul said:
Adam said:
Paul said:
Adam wrote:

Having 2nd thoughts about the motherboard. How do the following
compare ...


ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131736

ASUS Crosshair V Formula AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD
Gaming Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735

ASUS M5A99X EVO AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131754

I don't know what your objectives are for the build.

The chipsets differ in the PCI Express configuration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_900_chipset_series

"990FX

* PCI Express 2.0 (2x16 or 4x8 configurations)
* Support for up to 4 graphics cards
* 19.6 Watt TDP
* Southbridge: SB950

990X

* PCI Express 2.0 (1x16 or 2x8 configurations)
* Support for up to 2 graphics cards
* 14 Watt TDP
* Southbridge: SB950"

Some of the peripheral chips might be a deciding factor
(like if the external USB3 chips selected weren't the best).

But it's possible they might be equal in terms of running
a given processor at stock speeds.

But you'll have to fill me in on what your expectations are.

If you needed lots of PCI Express bandwidth, then the 990FX
is probably a good way to get it. You pay for it, with
a little bit extra Northbridge power usage.

The motherboard reputations aren't markedly different.
I think the most expensive board got a few more low
ratings, because when an expensive board fails expectations,
people usually judge it harshly. When I bought a $65 motherboard,
nobody really hated that one, because, well, it was only
$65, and what do you expect for $65. And that board
still works :)

Paul


Thanks (Guru Paul), so far, here is the components list ...

- ASUS M5A99X Evo - AM3+ - 990X - ATX DDR3 2133 Motherboards [under
consideration]
- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
[under consideration]
- AMD Phenom II X4 [under consideration; will run processor at stock
speeds]
- Sapphire 100315L Radeon HD 6850 Video Card [already own; will be
single video card system]
- OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply
[already own]
- Antec Three Hundred ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case [already own]

Objective is getting the best bang for the buck.

The only USB3 I know of, with a few problems, is Etron brand.

http://forums.tweaktown.com/asrock/44094-usb-3-0-problem.html

The M5A99X uses an Asmedia USB3 chip (a company which as far
as I know, is a subsidiary of Asus).

M5A99X EVO:

990X (1x16 or 2x8 video config)
SB950 (6 SATA III, No USB3)
(2) JMB362 (2 SATA II each)
RealTek 8111E (Ethernet NIC)
RealTek ALC892 (As long as you get at least stereo sound, you win...)
(2) AsMedia USB3 (four ports total, two ports full bandwidth)
VIA 6308P Firewire (Best were TI brand, or Lucent/Agere/LSI)

Of your PCI Express slots, install the video card in the top
slot, leave the second video card slot blank (to preserve the x16
interface rate), then you can use the x4 black slot for things
like a RAID card perhaps.

So the only shortcoming, is whether you consider the
video card slot running at x8 to be a problem or not.
x8 at PCI Express Rev2.0 rates, is 4GB/sec (8 lanes
times 500MB/sec transfer rate).

Check the reviews, see if the board has problems at higher
memory clock speeds, and perhaps you have a winner. That
board is certainly cheaper than the others. And the chipset
will run cooler.

With regard to the RAM, and how I'd run it, I'd buy the 4x4GB
kit (because DDR3 is cheap, but the price will rise as one
of the memory companies just got bought out). I'd operate
the motherboard with just two sticks (8GB). Then keep the
other two sticks as spares. Leaving two slots blank, improves
cooling around the memory slots. If you have a problem with
the 8GB, you just swap in the other pair. No downtime.

I bought a set of 8 DIMMs once, and three have failed.
Leaving me with five good ones :)

The last RAM I bought, with zero failures, was in the
FPM/EDO era. Where it used to cost $600 to fill the computer
with RAM. RAM just doesn't hold up any more.

Paul


Thanks (Guru Paul), regarding USB3, I had USB3 issues with
my Asus laptop and had to downgrade the only USB3 port to use USB2.
Luckily, I don't own many USB3 devices yet. Perhaps,
USB3 is a general issue (with Asus and other brands)?

Not sure I understand this part ...
So the only shortcoming, is whether you consider the
video card slot running at x8 to be a problem or not.
x8 at PCI Express Rev2.0 rates, is 4GB/sec (8 lanes
times 500MB/sec transfer rate).

Is the video card being restricted (hopefully not)?
I don't play games much but do plan to watch videos.
How much better will the Sabertooth be?

Great idea about the RAM (and using only 2 slots first).
Check the reviews, see if the board has problems at higher
memory clock speeds, and perhaps you have a winner. That
board is certainly cheaper than the others. And the chipset
will run cooler.

I tend to run things at stock speeds so no overclocking issue?
 
P

Paul

Adam said:
Not sure I understand this part ...


Is the video card being restricted (hopefully not)?
I don't play games much but do plan to watch videos.
How much better will the Sabertooth be?

Great idea about the RAM (and using only 2 slots first).


I tend to run things at stock speeds so no overclocking issue?

There are two decent PCI Express slots on the M5A99X EVO.

If you insert a video card in the upper slot, and place *no card*
in the second slot, the video card runs x16.

x16
none

If you were to plug an x1 TV tuner card into the second video
card slot, that would immediately cause the top video card
slot to run at x8.

x8
x8 <--- I just plugged my TV tuner card in...

Some people care about that, but I don't. x8 should still be
enough. But some people don't like it.

So if you leave the second video card slot blank, then the top
slot continues to run x16. A gamer might like it this way.

x16
none

The third slot, is permanently wired x4. Even though the
slot is x16 in size, only x4 of the lanes are wired. And you
can visually see this, in motherboard pictures, by counting
the ceramic coupling capacitors next to the video slot.
A x16 capable slot, would have at least 16 "blobs" adjacent
to the slot. An x8 capable slot, at least 8 blobs. And so on.
The x16 slot with x4 wiring, would have 4 "blobs" next to it.

http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/m5a99x-evo/board.jpg

(Slot wiring circled...)

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/975/lanewiringcheck.gif

Pinout of PCI Express, so you can see why I'm circling those things.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/A/L/101469/original/pcie-slot-big.gif

The PCI Express lanes are capacitively coupled. Which is why
those blobs are present. The capacitors must be placed, within
a certain distance of the slot, so they don't typically appear
at arbitrary spots. And since PCI Express lanes are bidirectional
(separate pair of TX wires, from separate pair of RX wires),
the other matching "blobs" are on the video card end, near the GPU.

PCI Express host --- cap ---------------------> PCI Express
--- cap ---------------------> peripheral card

<--------------------- cap ---
<--------------------- cap ---
Each pair of
wires = 500MB/sec

The PCI Express is "full duplex", meaning the card can talk to
the processor, at the same time as the processor is sending
something to the card.

Paul
 
A

Adam

Paul said:
There are two decent PCI Express slots on the M5A99X EVO.

If you insert a video card in the upper slot, and place *no card*
in the second slot, the video card runs x16.

x16
none

If you were to plug an x1 TV tuner card into the second video
card slot, that would immediately cause the top video card
slot to run at x8.

x8
x8 <--- I just plugged my TV tuner card in...

Some people care about that, but I don't. x8 should still be
enough. But some people don't like it.

So if you leave the second video card slot blank, then the top
slot continues to run x16. A gamer might like it this way.

x16
none

The third slot, is permanently wired x4. Even though the
slot is x16 in size, only x4 of the lanes are wired. And you
can visually see this, in motherboard pictures, by counting
the ceramic coupling capacitors next to the video slot.
A x16 capable slot, would have at least 16 "blobs" adjacent
to the slot. An x8 capable slot, at least 8 blobs. And so on.
The x16 slot with x4 wiring, would have 4 "blobs" next to it.

http://www.ixbt.com/mainboard/asus/m5a99x-evo/board.jpg

(Slot wiring circled...)

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/975/lanewiringcheck.gif

Pinout of PCI Express, so you can see why I'm circling those things.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/A/L/101469/original/pcie-slot-big.gif

The PCI Express lanes are capacitively coupled. Which is why
those blobs are present. The capacitors must be placed, within
a certain distance of the slot, so they don't typically appear
at arbitrary spots. And since PCI Express lanes are bidirectional
(separate pair of TX wires, from separate pair of RX wires),
the other matching "blobs" are on the video card end, near the GPU.

PCI Express host --- cap ---------------------> PCI Express
--- cap ---------------------> peripheral card

<--------------------- cap ---
<--------------------- cap ---
Each pair of
wires = 500MB/sec

The PCI Express is "full duplex", meaning the card can talk to
the processor, at the same time as the processor is sending
something to the card.

Paul


Thanks (Guru Paul), I just canceled my order for M5A99X EVO since
I would like a motherboard with more room for growth (or more PCI Express
slots).
Any CPU/motherboard combo suggestions?
 
P

Paul

Adam said:
Thanks (Guru Paul), I just canceled my order for M5A99X EVO since
I would like a motherboard with more room for growth (or more PCI Express
slots).
Any CPU/motherboard combo suggestions?

Without spending any time on it, this is the "most
PCI Express" I could find.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508

Note that it still uses the 990FX chipset. I think that chipset
has max total, about 42 lanes or so. Even the official looking
diagrams on the web, aren't complete.

The thing is, you can "fan out" lanes, but the max bandwidth
available doesn't change.

Say, for example, I do this.


x16 ----- Switch ---- x16 (card)
host Chip ------ x16 (card)

If both cards start transferring at the same time, each will
average x8 transfer rate. You cannot make something from nothing.

So when the chipset starts with 42 lanes, you cannot use chips
downstream of that, to make more bandwidth. The number of lanes
may *seem* larger, but depending on the transfer conditions,
the average rates achieved on the cards are still influenced
by the "narrowest piece of pipe".

To get a summary of the wiring pattern there, we don't trust
the Newegg table. This calls for the motherboard manual.

ftp://download.gigabyte.ru/manual/mb_manual_ga-990fxa-ud7_e.pdf

And even that might not be enough.

This is the block diagram. The official diagram is missing a
detail. This is my best guess now. I got a double-check
on ALink from here.

http://compare-processors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/platform-architecture.png

CPU
|
| 6.4GT/sec * 2bytes/T = 12.8GB/sec
|
Northbridge --- x16 ---- slot
| 990FX ---- slot
| --- x16 ---- slot
| ---- slot
|
| ---- x6 (flexible)
|
| ALink 2GB/sec
|
Southbridge ---- x4 (flexible)
SB950

The first thing to notice in such a diagram, is the CPU
connection to the outside world, is limited by Hypertransport.
Now, the claim I see, is the current transfer rate is 6.4 giga-transfers
per second. And that bus is 16 bits or 2 bytes wide. So the processor,
when sending bus traffic in one of the directions, cannot
exceed 12.8GB/sec when doing so. If I take 12800 and divide
by the 500 per PCI Express lane, that equals 25.6 lanes. That
means, the bottom part of the diagram has 42 lanes, but the
processor "bottleneck" supports at maximum 25.6 worth.

The second bottleneck, is the ALink. There are 4x500 for the
four PCI Express lanes off the Southbridge. But, there are
other "loads" on the Southbridge, such as your SATA drives.
Say, for example, you start a read on your 550MB/sec SATA III
SSD, at the same time as the x4 on the side are doing something.
There is a small chance of a bottleneck there.

When there is a bottleneck, nothing breaks, it just runs
slower. Like, when you step on a hose, and there is a lesser
trickle of water from the hose nozzle.

The impressive motherboard above, has the same restriction
as the motherboard you were just looking at.

Two video cards Two video cards
and two blanks and two TV tuners
-------------- -----------------

x16 x8
None x8 <--- just installed Tuner

x16 x8
None x8 <--- just installed Tuner

So that covers the restrictions on four of the slots. It
has twice as many slots for video, as the cheaper motherboard,
but the same style of restriction when all four have something
plugged in.

Now, try to figure out what remains. There are five
PCI Express peripheral chips. We have x6 left on top,
x4 left on the bottom. 10 - 5 = 5 left. Yet, there
are two x4 PCI Express slots, for a total of 8 lanes.
That means those 8 lanes can't be "real".

The Gigabyte diagram says something like this, but
there isn't a "switch" shown feeding the two x4 slots.

NB x6 --- x1 Etron EJ168 USB3
--- x1 88SE9172
--- x4 ------------------ switch --- x4
--- x4

SB x4 --- x1 Etron EJ168 USB3
--- x1 88SE9172
--- x1 RealTek RTL8111E NIC
--- x1 (unused???)

Notice that the two x4 slots, are sharing. If, for
some reason, one wants to run x4, it can. But if both
start transferring at the same time (unlikely, actually),
then they'd be limited to x2 each.

So even a fancy board, using the best (42 lane) chipset
on AMD you can find, is left wanting in places. But
at least you can say, "two video cards can be run
at x16 each". Subject to the bottleneck where the CPU
connects to things. So each card can have 6.4GB/sec average,
if both were transferring at the same time (say, some
Crossfire operation).

HTH,
Paul
 
A

Adam

Paul said:
Without spending any time on it, this is the "most
PCI Express" I could find.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128508

Note that it still uses the 990FX chipset. I think that chipset
has max total, about 42 lanes or so. Even the official looking
diagrams on the web, aren't complete.

The thing is, you can "fan out" lanes, but the max bandwidth
available doesn't change.

Say, for example, I do this.

x16 ----- Switch ---- x16 (card)
host Chip ------ x16 (card)

If both cards start transferring at the same time, each will
average x8 transfer rate. You cannot make something from nothing.

So when the chipset starts with 42 lanes, you cannot use chips
downstream of that, to make more bandwidth. The number of lanes
may *seem* larger, but depending on the transfer conditions,
the average rates achieved on the cards are still influenced
by the "narrowest piece of pipe".

To get a summary of the wiring pattern there, we don't trust
the Newegg table. This calls for the motherboard manual.

ftp://download.gigabyte.ru/manual/mb_manual_ga-990fxa-ud7_e.pdf

And even that might not be enough.

This is the block diagram. The official diagram is missing a
detail. This is my best guess now. I got a double-check
on ALink from here.

http://compare-processors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/platform-architecture.png

CPU
|
| 6.4GT/sec * 2bytes/T = 12.8GB/sec
|
Northbridge --- x16 ---- slot
| 990FX ---- slot
| --- x16 ---- slot
| ---- slot
|
| ---- x6 (flexible)
|
| ALink 2GB/sec
|
Southbridge ---- x4 (flexible)
SB950

The first thing to notice in such a diagram, is the CPU
connection to the outside world, is limited by Hypertransport.
Now, the claim I see, is the current transfer rate is 6.4 giga-transfers
per second. And that bus is 16 bits or 2 bytes wide. So the processor,
when sending bus traffic in one of the directions, cannot
exceed 12.8GB/sec when doing so. If I take 12800 and divide
by the 500 per PCI Express lane, that equals 25.6 lanes. That
means, the bottom part of the diagram has 42 lanes, but the
processor "bottleneck" supports at maximum 25.6 worth.

The second bottleneck, is the ALink. There are 4x500 for the
four PCI Express lanes off the Southbridge. But, there are
other "loads" on the Southbridge, such as your SATA drives.
Say, for example, you start a read on your 550MB/sec SATA III
SSD, at the same time as the x4 on the side are doing something.
There is a small chance of a bottleneck there.

When there is a bottleneck, nothing breaks, it just runs
slower. Like, when you step on a hose, and there is a lesser
trickle of water from the hose nozzle.

The impressive motherboard above, has the same restriction
as the motherboard you were just looking at.

Two video cards Two video cards
and two blanks and two TV tuners
-------------- -----------------

x16 x8
None x8 <--- just installed Tuner

x16 x8
None x8 <--- just installed Tuner

So that covers the restrictions on four of the slots. It
has twice as many slots for video, as the cheaper motherboard,
but the same style of restriction when all four have something
plugged in.

Now, try to figure out what remains. There are five
PCI Express peripheral chips. We have x6 left on top,
x4 left on the bottom. 10 - 5 = 5 left. Yet, there
are two x4 PCI Express slots, for a total of 8 lanes.
That means those 8 lanes can't be "real".

The Gigabyte diagram says something like this, but
there isn't a "switch" shown feeding the two x4 slots.

NB x6 --- x1 Etron EJ168 USB3
--- x1 88SE9172
--- x4 ------------------ switch --- x4
--- x4

SB x4 --- x1 Etron EJ168 USB3
--- x1 88SE9172
--- x1 RealTek RTL8111E NIC
--- x1 (unused???)

Notice that the two x4 slots, are sharing. If, for
some reason, one wants to run x4, it can. But if both
start transferring at the same time (unlikely, actually),
then they'd be limited to x2 each.

So even a fancy board, using the best (42 lane) chipset
on AMD you can find, is left wanting in places. But
at least you can say, "two video cards can be run
at x16 each". Subject to the bottleneck where the CPU
connects to things. So each card can have 6.4GB/sec average,
if both were transferring at the same time (say, some
Crossfire operation).

HTH,
Paul


Thanks (Guru Paul), your posts are extremely helpful and
opens my eyes to overlooked limitations/issues (PCI Express, USB3, etc.).
And, helped me to decide that 990FX is more suitable over 990X for
potential/likely future needs, especially if I can get something better for
about the same price. At newegg.com, I tried to compare ...
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3/UD5 vs ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
but may have to look at the manuals to be sure.
Also, the USB3 link that you sent mentions issues with the Etron,
which is used by Gigabyte, right?
 
P

Paul

Adam said:
Thanks (Guru Paul), your posts are extremely helpful and
opens my eyes to overlooked limitations/issues (PCI Express, USB3, etc.).
And, helped me to decide that 990FX is more suitable over 990X for
potential/likely future needs, especially if I can get something better for
about the same price. At newegg.com, I tried to compare ...
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3/UD5 vs ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
but may have to look at the manuals to be sure.
Also, the USB3 link that you sent mentions issues with the Etron,
which is used by Gigabyte, right?

The Etron issue might be fixed by a driver. But
you'll have to research that to be sure.

You can also fix that, by placing a USB3 card in a PCI Express slot.

And they do make USB3 cards without bottlenecks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115113

That one, has a PCI Express x4 interface Rev.2, meaning
4 * 500MB/sec. The card has a PLX switch, to make four x1
lanes. Then, each x1 lane feeds an Asmedia USB3 chip. Each
Asmedia USB3 chip only drives one USB3 port, not two. That
is intended to guarantee the bandwidth. Notice that the
card is not cheap. You could write to four USB3 enclosures
with SATA III SSDs, at 336MB/sec each, at the same time.

Highpoint also made one, with four USB3 on the faceplate.
But I suspect both of those models didn't sell well.

There is one review article. It's pretty hard to find reviewers
rich enough, to test with good equipment. And I wasn't able to
find even one end-user review. Still, one of these cards for
$100, is better than a bottlenecked $10 card, when you're
trying to get your BlackMagic USB3 video recorder to work.
A very few USB3 peripherals, insist on 200MB/sec or greater
connection bandwidth. The BlackMagic software, will reject
"inferior" USB3 connections :)

http://www.everythingusb.com/highpoint-rocketu-1144a-usb-3.0-pci-express-21274.html

Paul
 
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Adam

Rick said:
Look at your motherboard set up one manufacture is almost as good as
another--look at reviews for manufactures and make your choice. crucial
is good.


Thanks, my previous build (now due to retire) used ancient memory from
Crucial,
which gave no problems whatsoever. And, since Fry's had a good Crucial
memory deal ...
http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com/ads/2012/06/29/58300/Crucial-8GB-DDR3-1866MHz-Dual-Memory
I picked up 16GB and ended up paying less.

Happy 4th of July ! :)
 

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